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[Magnerazz]

This is a paper on a Bedini replication by doctorate level physicists. They found that it worked as claimed. The physics have been worked out to engineering level. It is overunity and it does not violate conservation of energy. http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a94thpaper.pdf (it is too big to attach)

I have been following Einstein Cartan Evans unified field theory for over a year now. It is being widely accepted in the industrial physics community of working scientists, but the academic community will not accept it because it steps on some pet 20th century theories, I.E. no black holes and no big bang, no need for dark energy or dark matter. It explains all available empirical observations and experimental data for any branch of physics in a 4d general relativity geometrical model, so no need for extra dimensions or string theory ( which has never produced anything useful anyway) . However ECE has been developed and tested with super computers and is rigorously mathematically correct. All of the well proven laws of classical and quantum physics are recovered as special limits of ECE theory.

The kicker is that ECE predicts the ability to extract energy from space time both gravitationally and electromagnetically thru spin resonance connections. The physical laws involved are of the same mathematical structure as the Coulomb, Ampere-Maxwell, Faraday and Gauss laws of classical electrodynamics with added terms to define the spin connections.

The Bedini motor properly configured produces such a spin resonant connection within the target battery itself. The battery self charges from a spacetime connection. The motor simply produces the resonance conditions necessary for this to take place, it does not supply charge current to the battery.

[nul-points]

let's see if i get this straight:-

  Professor Evans et al produce a paper supporting energy drawn from 'coiled' space-time as a perfectly valid process & citing the Bedini motor/battery charger as an example

  The Prof, with the support and assistance of other equally heavy-duty scientists (one or more having worked in association with Einstein's team), has managed to complete Einstein's dream of unifying general relativity and Quantum Electrodynamics and now fully believes that, using appropriate techniques, energy can be drawn from the 'vacuum' without violating anything more than a skeptic's pride


dayyum - the poor old Prof must be kicking himself that Mythbusters have so decisively shown that this is an impossibility - it would mean 'Perpetual Motion', after all 


hi Magnerazz - i think it's pretty mean that you've been sitting on this stuff for year!!!   
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

[utilitarian]

This is a paper on a Bedini replication by doctorate level physicists. They found that it worked as claimed. The physics have been worked out to engineering level. It is overunity and it does not violate conservation of energy. http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a94thpaper.pdf (it is too big to attach)

I have been following Einstein Cartan Evans unified field theory for over a year now. It is being widely accepted in the industrial physics community of working scientists, but the academic community will not accept it because it steps on some pet 20th century theories, I.E. no black holes and no big bang, no need for dark energy or dark matter. It explains all available empirical observations and experimental data for any branch of physics in a 4d general relativity geometrical model, so no need for extra dimensions or string theory ( which has never produced anything useful anyway) . However ECE has been developed and tested with super computers and is rigorously mathematically correct. All of the well proven laws of classical and quantum physics are recovered as special limits of ECE theory.

The kicker is that ECE predicts the ability to extract energy from space time both gravitationally and electromagnetically thru spin resonance connections. The physical laws involved are of the same mathematical structure as the Coulomb, Ampere-Maxwell, Faraday and Gauss laws of classical electrodynamics with added terms to define the spin connections.

The Bedini motor properly configured produces such a spin resonant connection within the target battery itself. The battery self charges from a spacetime connection. The motor simply produces the resonance conditions necessary for this to take place, it does not supply charge current to the battery.

I am assuming that the good scientists have a perpetually-spinning Bedini motor to accompany their bold conclusions.  What, no?  Hmmmm.

[Magnerazz]

I am assuming that the good scientists have a perpetually-spinning Bedini motor to accompany their bold conclusions.  What, no?  Hmmmm.

Yes they replicated the Bedini patent plans. Understand that this is a greater than 100% COP device, like a heat pump it requires energy input from an isolated source to modulate a larger output from another discrete source. Space time is the relativity theory term for this source of primordial charge density that is an inherent property of the universe. Other theories might call this " Aether" or " Gamma and Beta Atmospheres".  The Bedini motor will not work if connected in a direct loop to its own battery source. However it will charge multiple target batteries which can then be used to power other devices as well as be swapped out to run the motor. But the motor and charge circuits must be isolated and the charger side is not grounded except through the batteries in circuit. There is no earth ground involved.

[utilitarian]

The Bedini motor will not work if connected in a direct loop to its own battery source. However it will charge multiple target batteries which can then be used to power other devices as well as be swapped out to run the motor.

This does not pass logical muster.  If a Bedini motor can charge a target battery, why can't that battery in turn be used to recharge the source batter via another Bedini wheel, thus creating perpetual motion?

[Magnerazz]

The reason is the charge circuit is only over 100% COP over a very narrow range of resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself. The output loop and the battery form a resonant tank circuit. Adding any external load will change the resonant condition. The charged battery has to be removed from the charger circuit and utilized to drive a separate discrete load to realize the gain.

[utilitarian]

The reason is the charge circuit is only over 100% COP over a very narrow range of resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself. The output loop and the battery form a resonant tank circuit. Adding any external load will change the resonant condition. The charged battery has to be removed from the charger circuit and utilized to drive a separate discrete load to realize the gain.

Fine, remove the battery from the circuit when it is fully charged.  Swap in a new battery.  Voila.  Keep going.  Perpetual motion achieved.   I am sure the overunity of the Bedini motor is enough to perform the basic mechanical motion of swapping two batteries on rollers, no?

[willitwork]

"resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself"

Magnerazz, I'm with utilitarian on this. Keep charging, swapping and unloading batteries. Calculate the total power delivered by the disconnected batteries over time and it should be easy - very very easy -  to determine if you are getting any gain at all.

As for the "resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself" are we to believe that lead acid gel cells behave differently than car batteries, nicads, NiMH or Li-Ion type batteries?

At this point I don't buy the "The output loop and the battery form a resonant tank circuit." at all.

[Magnerazz]

Look at the Bedini circuit diagram. The output circuit is inductively isolated from the input circuit. The circuit possesses all of the characteristics of a simple RCL oscillator. The battery itself has resistance capacitance and inductance properties. A gel cel is a lead acid battery and for some reason the lead acid chemistry lends itself to resonance connections in a practical relatively low frequency range. That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved. There would be a whole set of different resonances for different materials, many of which would not fall into practically achievable ranges. This is the nature of spin resonance connection. For lead acid the resonant connection occurs with a specific set of harmonics somewhere in the 3.5 mHz range. The motor or exciter side of the circuit generates multiple wave forms and the resonant connection is an intermodulation harmonic response. If you built a successful replication, and there have been many, based on a particular size and type of lead acid battery, substituting a different size or type would require retuning the exciter circuit to find resonance again. There is no one magic set point, for any individual device a successful tuning is going to be specific to the physical geometry and electrical characteristics that particular device.

[utilitarian]

Look at the Bedini circuit diagram. The output circuit is inductively isolated from the input circuit. The circuit possesses all of the characteristics of a simple RCL oscillator. The battery itself has resistance capacitance and inductance properties. A gel cel is a lead acid battery and for some reason the lead acid chemistry lends itself to resonance connections in a practical relatively low frequency range. That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved. There would be a whole set of different resonances for different materials, many of which would not fall into practically achievable ranges. This is the nature of spin resonance connection. For lead acid the resonant connection occurs with a specific set of harmonics somewhere in the 3.5 mHz range. The motor or exciter side of the circuit generates multiple wave forms and the resonant connection is an intermodulation harmonic response. If you built a successful replication, and there have been many, based on a particular size and type of lead acid battery, substituting a different size or type would require retuning the exciter circuit to find resonance again. There is no one magic set point, for any individual device a successful tuning is going to be specific to the physical geometry and electrical characteristics that particular device.

None of what you said addresses what I said.  If you think the Bedini is overunity, then it should be very easy to set up a perpetual motion machine, using the method I outlined.  Just use a single Bedini motor and multiple sets of batteries.  At the conclusion of a particular charge, use the charged battery to activate a mechanical motor which will swap a new set of batteries into the device.  Repeat ad infinitum.  Rotate flat and charged batteries around as needed, and siphon off extra electricity into other batteries or external sources (using something other than the Bedini wheel).  Repeat ad infinitum.