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[Walter Hofmann]

thanks

Hi patric,
where can I find this D12.pdf?
greetings
walt

Hi Walter,

The link is here:  http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D12.pdf

and you can find many other topics on this page:  http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

rgds,  Gyula

[Tigrotto]

This message is for the person saying here he replicated unsuccesfull the experiment. please replay, otherwise all of us will waste the time here.
In order to help you, let us know plainly ALL the detalis you followed up when building your failed experiment.ALL: starting from pyramid construction finishing to electric connection! All
Thanks,
Tigrotto

[Koen1]

Tigrotto, why do you focus so much on a failed replication message? If mrgalleria does not want to give details on what exactly he did, then let him.
From the little that he did post, I assume he has not actually replicated the entire device.
After all, he says he built a pyramid from copper tubing... ?! Where did he get the idea you need a pyramid made of copper tubing? The pyramid in the video does not at all look like copper tubing. And the text documents do not mention a copper tubing pyramid frame either.
The video and any documents all clearly show that one needs to build a pyramid with metal sides. Not a copper tube frame! A full pyramid, made of metal!
Only the "convertor" in the center is made partially of copper tubing.

So instead of trying to pry information from a person who first of all said his "replication" did not work and second appears to imply he has not even built the actual pyramid properly (which makes it into a haphazard attempt rather than a true replication), perhaps we should focus more on the information we can attempt to get from people who have actually build a pyramid, or perhaps on reverse engineering the "convertor" from the video images and documents?

The pyramid itself is simple. It is the "convertor" we need to figure out. I think

On another note, the pyramid frame shape in itself is already quite interesting...
If properly built, a pyramid frame can be made so that there are 4 axis perpendicular to eachother. Obviously this allows for two opposing axis to be fed signals exactly 180 degrees out of phase, which could result in interesting effects over the other 2 axis... If we can believe anything of the philadelphia experiment and related "montauk" projects, a setup like this was used to alter local space-time (with some additions to the setup of course).
Also, there is a little interesting documentation on a wire-frame based electromagnetic pyramid device referred to as a "telepathic pyramid" which appears to suggest a direct link between the pyramid frame 'antenna' and scalar wave technology, and in related texts a pramid shaped power source is mentioned. Okay, this specific information relates to accounts of ufo contactees so it is quite "out there", but the pyramid device design is very interesting.

[pese]

 i have traslated this for tigrotto german to english.
an because i have plaed this again and again , i understand
that this is kaked power.
this people have not found this , that traw?ger found.
give attention to video , to the meter , to nois of moter (shown the meter!!)
some switches was "clicking" extern .  (possibly also noise from an extern motor . nothing is correct , not to see the  cbles.

end of video , the person say : Now i swich off !!
from powersupply
Interesting.

Mister Nagel . live in my Home-City.
I tried to visite hime (no phonenumber) , so he is not open the dood,
even when he is in home.

I dont belive this video say more than an stupid fraud.
that was traw?ger have find was the correct way

even , when this video was made in Nagel?s home , than the pyramide
was not placed "exactly" to te earth magnet field in the right angel degree.


Pese

pese.cjb.net

[Koen1]

i have traslated this for tigrotto german to english.
an because i have plaed this again and again , i understand
that this is kaked power.
this people have not found this , that traw?ger found.
give attention to video , to the meter , to nois of moter (shown the meter!!)
some switches was "clicking" extern .  (possibly also noise from an extern motor . nothing is correct , not to see the  cbles.

end of video , the person say : Now i swich off !!
from powersupply
Interesting.

Or the video camera maybe?

Mister Nagel . live in my Home-City.
I tried to visite hime (no phonenumber) , so he is not open the dood,
even when he is in home.

I dont belive this video say more than an stupid fraud.
that was traw?ger have find was the correct way

Ok, and which way is that then ?
It is not what we see in  the video, with the metal pyramid and the copper tube convertor in its center?

even , when this video was made in Nagel?s home , than the pyramide
was not placed "exactly" to te earth magnet field in the right angel degree.

which means what, exactly?
Asfar as I can figure, it's not about it being perpendicular to the earth magnetic field anyway, so why would that matter?

[pese]

Yiu domts see the spply cables !
you dont see the motor running ! (no prpellor or colored disk on it !
you see the multimeter schown zero !
than 5.00 if not nois of motor
than (another?) motor will be switched on (click) .
tha you see the 5.00 again.
After you se 0.00 , the magnet will be take off !
BUT the motor still running longer !!
Thean he will switched of (click)

than again . NOW we must switsch off AA !

What an cause if the Energy is free and selrunning.

-
last the phramide is placed in an room , ind angel-degree  paralell to whe walls of th rooms. !!
In over 99% the hoiuses are not buid exactliy to NS or E-W to the erth magnet field.


Dizend and mor you can find in ths fraudly Video that is make to give DESINFORMATION to the people to STOP more
exeperioences in ths sens what Trawoeger have make correctly.

I trust my meaning , you must not follow.
G.Pese

[Koen1]

Well I'm sorry but I can't really make heads or tails of your post...

I guess you are saying it is faked, but I fail to see all of your points.
What is that bull about you not seeing a coloured disc? My pc fan does not have a coloured disc, nor can you see anything but a hazy blur when it's moving...
Why would they switch on a motor to get 5 volts? That just doesn't make any sense; a normal battery would suffice, and would also not give any sound...
As far as the motor that doesn't stop immediately after the power feed has stopped: that is quite normal for a motor that is running. Motors never halt immediately.

I do not follow your remark "what an cause if the energy is free and selfrunning". What do you mean?

And as to houses not built exactly to North-South axis: that is a generalisation you cannot just take as a fact. Som houses are aligned N-S almost exactly, and it is well possible the house where the vid was made is alighned properly. We simply don't know, because we do not see a compass. But there is also no reason to dismiss the possibility just because most houses are not properly aligned. That's like saying there's no such thing as a black swan, because most swans are white. Similarly incorrect logic.

Please explain your last statement on "experiences" as it is not clear what you mean?

[pese]

Give attention to the video , yourself,
than i must not explain with my bad english longer.
give attention to all movement.
to klicking switches
to the meter
the meter the wholtime , it the motor make nois , if magnet is an , also off.
nothing is synchron.
can you see the mot running ?
possible another motor is running an is switched so that you cants see.

the "pic" of professional made videos for people that WILL belive all .
On an unproffesional Fraud . For people that all that is outside the table , must be trustfully.
G.P.

That man that explain ist not the "inventer" and know nothing from
this device .
See the video , give attention to ALL , hear all Noises that are not
nead to work.
You see nothing ! Even not that the "MOTOR work".

If you will see better magic-shows , i have som in my links for my children collected.
The Nagel-Show  is not so good...+++

Well I'm sorry but I can't really make heads or tails of your post...

I guess you are saying it is faked, but I fail to see all of your points.
What is that bull about you not seeing a coloured disc? My pc fan does not have a coloured disc, nor can you see anything but a hazy blur when it's moving...
Why would they switch on a motor to get 5 volts? That just doesn't make any sense; a normal battery would suffice, and would also not give any sound...
As far as the motor that doesn't stop immediately after the power feed has stopped: that is quite normal for a motor that is running. Motors never halt immediately.

I do not follow your remark "what an cause if the energy is free and selfrunning". What do you mean?

And as to houses not built exactly to North-South axis: that is a generalisation you cannot just take as a fact. Som houses are aligned N-S almost exactly, and it is well possible the house where the vid was made is alighned properly. We simply don't know, because we do not see a compass. But there is also no reason to dismiss the possibility just because most houses are not properly aligned. That's like saying there's no such thing as a black swan, because most swans are white. Similarly incorrect logic.

Please explain your last statement on "experiences" as it is not clear what you mean?

[Tigrotto]

Hi guys,
I gathered this weeks since I'm here on forum tons of fundamental/ teoretical informations about pyramid/ electric current generation. I'm about to start with the experiments.
The good news for those of you that are interested , really interested in these experiments is this :
Trawoeger's experiment could works, but...not as he presented/ showed there.
I'm Ph.Dr. and I studied ALL the theory related, also available Patents of Invention related.
My proposal is this:
Should someone work seriously with me on this matter, then write me back on private post.
I need only those persons really experimented this kind of facts.
Thanks in advance,
Tigrotto

[Koen1]

Why don't you post your usefull information here and discuss it with us?

Very odd to see that people are willing to discuss things here untill they rech the point where they feel they have actually acquired some usefull knowledge, then they tend to drop away from the forum and go private and secretive... What's up with that?

Either you have found some possible ways to explain and possibly even replicate pyramid electrical power generation, or you have not.
If you have, please just tell us about them instead of acting all secretive?

[Tigrotto]

Did someone do this experiment?:
Rechargeable batteries under pyramide, 1/3 height, North(+)-South(-).
Many people said it could be recharged after about 24H.
Any comment? 

[Thomas_Trawoeger]

Hello, my name is Thomas Trawoeger, and if you believe it or not, i am the inventor of the Pyramide. I found this website, because i am searching all few months for news about me.

Well, allow me to tell you some very important things about me and my invention:

When i startet with my project in the internet, i was in hope to find some people to help me understannding the phenomenia.
But what happend? I found only people wich wanted to present my work as fake.

Nobody was able to give any clever comment, but everybody wanted Details, Plans and Schematics.

As we stopped the website trt-biopower.at, plenty of people cryed "fake", and even the Scientist of a great german Company tryed everything to bring the Idea into a deep grave.

So i did the best in this time. (even the same thing you should do with stocks) Turn around, and sleep...

In the last 2 Years we investet plenty of money to stop fake-presentations of my invention in the Internet.
So we stopped Mr. Nagels Fake on secret.tv and plenty of stupid postings with faked plans.
Even a Company in UK selled "original construction Plans" for my Pyramide....

Is that all you need?

Everybody wants to get a prove or a demonstration of the function. But nobody pleased for it.
I only heared: Show us, or you are a faker.....

Now i make the official Offer for everybody:
Tell me, why you believe, that your help is constructive for me, and i will invite you to me, to proof my Pyramide.
But it?s not very interesting for me if you say: Show me, and i will believe you.
(I?m not Jesus, and i dont sell any religion)

I wish you a nice discussion, and you can believe that i am the real one...
Mr. Pese should know, that it?s me..
 Yours sincerely
Thomas Trawoeger
(Mr. Flavio Thomas was a real Fake *maybe a wrong translation)

[Thomas_Trawoeger]

@tigrotto: The Accu-loader was the Mother of my invention :-)
greets, Tom

[pese]

@tigrotto: The Accu-loader was the Mother of my invention :-)
greets, Tom

[/quote

Hello Thomas , my english is not the best  (i will mail you also in german.
I belive (in your words from this treads) that you.
I have also see this "rubbisch from Nagel, in Trier (is also my living-city)
I have 2 weeks ago to visit hin (unnecessary) ,alsohi is no opening the door!
If you give only an little attention to the tv-secret video , you can find an
lot of "unproffesional made frauds. also nothing from the spocken words
sound seriosly.
Even if you find any progress in your experiments , of even , if you will
"weak up" the folk here , Do this . i am shure that Stefan (moderator)
will give attention , that you must not comes in same "agressiv" people
here than in the forums that you find end of 2005.
I am sure that you  "findings"was and are right!

best
Gustav Pese

www.cjb.net
.pese@marsmail.de

[tak22]

Glad to see you found us here Thomas!

I'm a pyramid constructor from way back and have seen enough unexplainable effects to keep me interested. I'd be very pleased to work with you on developing your ideas and design.

tak