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[Dingus Mungus]

And build the pendulum really big, maybe 3 Meters long thread and at least a 100 Kg weight with all the magnets

The longer the pendulum, the longer each swing takes.
http://www.abbeyclock.com/Pendulum.html

[hartiberlin]

Yes it takes longer, but you also can stack besides it more coils, so you have more charge pulses. You have of course make sure, that the generated current with its Lenz law back drag effect will not slow down your pendulum motion too much, so loose coupling ala new bike generator is much suggested..

[billmehess]

Nothing can be coupled to the pendulum the slightest tention will cause it to stop. yes the longer the pendulum and the heaver it is the slower it swings. The answer is to have just the right combination of magnets to achieve the optimium results. I can connect a LED to the system and as the magnets swing in and out of the coils
gets a continous paulse of light. This does not impress me that much. My interest is to be able to charge up a battery (s) over the long time period to do something useful.
My numbers tell me that I can still have enough juice stored in the battery(s) to do what I want.
Obviously the best thing is to be able to generate enough of a emf , around 15volts+ to charge the battery
directly from the coils. This has always been the goal. This simply requires that the system be ramped up.
Magnets moving in and out of a coil give me a pulsed voltage.
This is perfect:           
                                        1. It allows me to paulse charge the battery
                                        2. Gives me a stable platform from which to draw from.

The goal here is to be able to charge up multiple batteries (remember that 28 days looms large) and have
a real stable, closed loop power system.
                                       
                                         THIS WOULD BE TRUELY AWESOME!!!!!

[Dingus Mungus]

Nothing can be coupled to the pendulum the slightest tention will cause it to stop. yes the longer the pendulum and the heaver it is the slower it swings.

My interest is to be able to charge up a battery (s) over the long time period to do something useful.

Actually weight has little or no effect on pendulum physics, but as you stated the EMF drag will slow it and inhibit its swing distance. Also I must agree with Stefan again, the battery will only provide skeptics with disbelief. Have you considered my experiment???

-Drain the battery with a lamp as load overnight (12+ hours)
-Manually reset system
-run for 1 month cycle with no loads
-see if the automated motor will fully reset system. (this is unity)

good luck,
~Dingus

[billmehess]

How would this prove overunity?

First if I totally drain the battery it will most likely wreck it. So lets say I take it down 50% to 6 volts. During the month I charge it back up to 11-12 volts by paulseing daily once I have enough juice stored in the caps do do so efficiently. At the end of the month I run the clock and rewind so it starts again.
This is what I have been proposing all along. The only difference is that why do I have to run the clock down so It can set for a month and not do anything.
Possibly I'm not getting what you mean. Your input has been very helpful so far but I guess I don't quite
understand this suggestion.

[billmehess]

I didn't mean run the clcok down I meant run  the battery down

[hartiberlin]

Hi Bill the problem what you face is, that your system as it is now only generates maybe constantly about 10 to 20 milliWatts only. So you must wait a long time, until you can generate enough juice to fully upcharge the battery again. So when the battery will power a 100 Watts bulb then the battery will drain down quickly and the 10 MilliWatts from the pendulum will not reach out to recharge the battery.. So better try first to see, if you can make the output from the coils much bigger...

[billmehess]

Stepan

When I run the motor the voltage drop is around 100 mv for the 12 seconds that it runs.
It would take approx 200 caps charged to 500 millivolts each pulsing at 1 pr second (200 seconds) to recharge the battery. Charging 200 caps to 500 millvolts each would take about 1.50 minutes per cap or a total of
300 minutes this is 5 hours out of the 28 days that must be devoted to charging the battery.
The process of charging the battery to keep the system operating continously uses only a small percentage of the total amount of energy generated.

[Nostradam]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt-hour 

[Dingus Mungus]

How would this prove overunity?

The weight falling for a month would generate more power then that required to lift it in 10 seconds...
Hence... Overunity!

First if I totally drain the battery it will most likely wreck it. So lets say I take it down 50% to 6 volts. During the month I charge it back up to 11-12 volts by paulseing daily once I have enough juice stored in the caps do do so efficiently.

Use a deep cycle 12v or rechargable battery pile, it will recharge and wont be "wrecked". Also the important thing is not the voltage its the current... if the battery can no longer light a bulb its dead and cant contribute any energy to the equation and thats really important here.

At the end of the month I run the clock and rewind so it starts again.

You cant touch the weights once it starts dropping, if you need to push a button or something thats ok but you cant introduce any energy.

This is what I have been proposing all along. The only difference is that why do I have to run the clock down so It can set for a month and not do anything.
Possibly I'm not getting what you mean. Your input has been very helpful so far but I guess I don't quite
understand this suggestion.

I dont know what you mean either...

LOL

~Dingus

[Dingus Mungus]

Here, this might help your calculations:

-Voltage represents e-field generated along a conductor. (like magnetism but NOT!)
Think of voltage as the hill, the higher the voltage the taller the hill.

-Amperage represents the ammount of electrons passing a point on a conductor per second.
Think of amperage as stones to roll down your voltage hill. The more stones you roll per second the
more work you can do. The work is done with the momentum added by rolling down the voltage hill.
Interesting fact: amps are actually coulumbs, and a coulumb is
6,250,000,000,000,000,000 electrons per second.

-Wattage is volts*amp thats it... (W=A*V)

I really do hope this was helpful and not patronizing...
Sorry in advance if it was.

~Dingus

[hartiberlin]

Bill, let me put it into easy words:
In this current state of mode you might have overunity, but you can not do much useful work with it.
You can only let it run for months but you can not connect an additional load, otherwise your battery will run down.
So better first try to upscale the power output from the pendulum, so you can at least drive a 10 Watts load constantly with it.
Regards, Stefan.

[Grumpy]

Bill,

A method of using a pulsed force and a pendulum to generate electricity was posted on several sites a few months ago by Lawrence Tseung of China.  He explained the phenomenon in detail and provided the theory and math to support it.

In short, you can create OU from a pendulum, a magnet, a couple of coils, and a bat or cap.

See attached:

[billmehess]

The goal in the first phase of this project is to simply show that it would be possible to "rewind" the device
and keep it going continously from its own power.Also I am not using the weight. The clock wind up has a sproket connected past an idler directly to the motor.  Of course the next step is to construct a larger unit that will by bypass the capacitor storeage concept all together and charge the battery direct. Even with the small permanent magnets I am using I am getting a
nice 400-600 ma pulse on each swing.
A larger unit  producing 15-16 volts at a decent amperage and then run thru a diode to get a forward plus voltage would keep a bank of batteries full charged. Connect these batteries thru a inverter and you have a
completely closed whole house system.
I have sufficient resources to build this system and I am going to do so.
In my building of the unit I have solved numerous problems in its design, there are so many little things that have to be working just right to get the desired results.
                                                 The journey continues

[billmehess]

I will be out of town and back on Monday. Have enjoyed the bantering back and forth with your emials. Will answer any new ones posted on Monday.