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[hartiberlin]

Hi All,
check out the latest pages abour the Reidar Finsrud machine at:

http://www.reidar-finsrud.com/sider/mobile/mobile.html

I know several people, who have visited him and have seen
and video taped his device.

It runs for about a month, until the glue is dried out,
that holds the permanent magnets inside the footer.

If he uses better glue, it will run longer.
This I was told about 5 years ago. Maybe he already has now better
viscosity glue for the magnets.

It seems to be some kind of chaotic vibration effect together
with the magnet attraction setup and removeable attraction arms, what keeps
this ball rolling.

This is probably also a case, where the magnets get a bit colder and
it extracts the energy from the surrounding heat energy of the magnets.

If you ever go to Norway, please visit him and post a few new pictures !
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[emcsquaredmike]

  The perpetual motion machine looks like it works!  Would like to get more info on device. Thanks!

[Gumboots2u]

  Hi Stefan

  I emailled Reidar and got a reply as to permission to replicate . He said OK but to make sure it was regarded as art and not to
 profit from it. As well as making sure he was recogniized for his work. Alll of which of I had no problem dealing with.

    This was a couple of months. ago and I am in the process of clearing off a clockwork art piece for a customer ,, then I will
 
   proceed with the replication attempt.

      Truly Mac.

[hartiberlin]

Okay Mac, let us know of your progress to rebuild it.
It seems there must be some "jittering" of the unit to get the magnetic action
in the footer to tilt back and forth permanently.
Will be probably pretty hard to setup all the motions in sync !
That is why he needed 12 Years to have all parameters lined up right.
Regards, Stefan.

[Gumboots2u]

  I am assuming that it will be a major challenge to get going correctly. I am most interested in a direct hands on observation of
 his chaos principle.   A few years ago the gentleman who did the write up and pictures on Don Adsitts site was here in Ontario.
   He was here to see David Hamiel  and I was very fortunate that he also took some time and stayed with us . His visit to
 Reidar's place was one of the topics we covered.   Johns conversation with Reidar highlighted the fact that the machine ran more
 on probablility than on energy{ sort of  like Douglas Adams probability drive } , which translated lightly means that the chance of it
 coming to rest relied on the probability that everthing synchroniised to slow it down. It operated more on instability than a source
  of energy.   I'll be starting with the chaos penduluum  first, then branching out. It may not look like his machine when it is done
 because my focus is on the chaos, and further if it does end up looking like his machine then it will be because the principle led
 me in that direction.   Lets see what happens.   

     Truly Mac.

[freeenergyman2005]

Where can I see a photo or video of this device? May I have permision to replicate it?
I've been working on Don Adsitt's magnetic ramping design for some time, but have not been able to get it to complete a cycle more than a few times before ot quits.

[hartiberlin]

Freeenergyman,
youi can see pics and a movie here:

http://www.reidar-finsrud.com/sider/mobile/foto.html

Please report about your magnet ramp.

How many times did you get to loop it ?
Why not more ?
Do the magnets stick to the track ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[freeenergyman2005]

Stefan, the finsrud machine looks fairly complicated; very polished. Far more so than my lowly magnetic ramp motor. I drew from the concepts posted on Don Adsitt's site 'The very last page of the internet', which, incidently, was not accessible because the domain name had expired as of yesterday; I hope this isn't permanent. I also used the concepts from freeenergyforever.com which is Dennis Lee's site, on his 'Case for Free Energy' video about 9.5 minutes into the tape. According to Don Adsitt, Dennis Lee is a scammer. Nevertheless, I found the concept of magnetic ramping to be valid in both cases on both sites.

I used a pair of 360 degree helixes for my ramps, which I spaced apart in mirror image fashon. The ceramic block magnets are attached end to end, North facing up on the lower track and oppposite on the down facing track. The effect is that the magnetic field increases as an armature, which has four arms spaced at 90 degrees, rotates from the widest point to the most narrow point. Indeed the magnets, opposite poles facing the tracks, on top and bottom of the brass inertial mass are readily 'sucked' into the shaped magnetic field. The problem is that once the armature reaches the most narrow point of the stator it comes to rest after only a couple of rotations due to the intense attraction. By using the rollercoaster drop demonstrated by Adsitt, there is no abrupt end, and there is in fact a tapering off, though, alas, not an elimination, of the strong attraction associated with the end of the magnetic track. Having said that, I've only gotten four or five rotations after a slight nudge. Still I'm encouraged that this configuration might be optimized, despite the crude construction; there is significant friction loss, to be sure. To watch it, it obviously so much wants to work, yet it eventually, grudgingly, stops working.

Howard Malone

[Kysmett]

Is there any formula that dictates the strength of the attraction to the 'sticking' point, as a function of the strength of attraction in the gate.  I guess what I mean to ask was this: first, were the number of gates the same as, or an even factor/multiple of, the number of armatures?  if not, then how many armatures that are influenced to move does it take to overcome one that is influenced not to move.  I am thinking more and more lately of phi numbers....(regretably becoming more evident in my posting, for which I appologize).  I plan to build a simmilar apparatus in the next eight weeks, and I think that I will use eight arms and 13 gates, this will ensure that there will always be 7 bodies with a positive force for every one passing through the sticking point.

Most of the materials I do not have yet, so any advice or knowledge to the contrary of the above would be appreciated before I make the investment, modest though it might be. 

Thanks

[freeenergyman2005]

Hello, Kysmett.

You're talking a little over my head, but I get the gist of your message. I used four armatures @ 90 degrees separature in my machine and, as I mentioned, had my ramps facing each other and arranged in mirror image. So, I guess, if I understand your meaning, I have one gate with the ramps being three inches apart at the gap, opening to five inches at the begining of the run. There is a one inch rise over 4' and 9 1/2', as my stator is 18" in diameter. It appears there isn't enough force of attraction through the run to force the armature through the gap without losing a little momentum as each armature passes. I have a total of 52 ceramic block magnets, purchased at Ace Hardware for $0.88 each, including eight in the armatures. Therefore, I have three inertial masses with positive force for the one passing through the gap, or gate.

I'm open to suggestions.

Howard