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[Joh70]

This sknooker wheel will never work, beleave it. DON'T TRUST UNFINISHED DEMO-UNITS.

@Zero: Each energy-gain out of bumping against something needs more speed which needs more hight at starting position which has to be charged first.

@Stefan: If you have a wheel with 1000 Balls and you have a proper configuration and enough space for the balls to rest on the levels, you can let the wheel turn a long time until the upper level runs out of balls or the lower level gets into a jam.

In case of having fixed and same degrees on the inner and outer circle for the balls and/or multiple revolutions, it will even don't do that. It will come to a rest short before the first ball is back up again, because of the friction and losses. In best case you have a system converting kinetic energy stored in balls on the upper level into rotation until it is balanced out. It will not gain additional energy. You will soon have problems to lift up enough balls back again.

Maybe your torque calculations are correct (i don't read them). But only when you have no losses. In practice you have losses, it comes back up again max. 99% and then rests, even when balls still available above. And it often will not do that, because the torque is not always the same, because the balls fall in and out (pulsating), and torque is only max. at 90? to the axle - factor is sin(angle).

In other words: Additional torque on the way down falls together with shorter lift = same work. Indeed one ball on the left has more torque than one ball on the right. But it should turn x-times longer, to lift up the right ball completely. The right ball on the inner circle draws x-times the angle of the covered portion of the outer circle, where the additional torque occurs. So all "overunity" is compensated by ratio. Its nothing else than a gear-box. The gear-ratio are the diameters-ratio.

Game Over.

[rMuD]

1 week from today, there will be a few people there, manually load the device, and prevent it from dropping balls...  and it will be confirmed..  I have no doubt with the basic math of newton's 2nd law equation that it will be in equalibrium..  we spoke of pennies on a cardboard disc, we've shown in pictures...  as much as we can wish this to work...  there is no zero point, there is no "impact" energy gained.. it's all basic 5th grade newtonian math going on here..  there is no force, extraction, or anything that hasn't been tried for the past 3000 years with this, nothing is different..

THE ONLY WAY THIS DEVICE WILL MOVE IS IF A BALL FALLS OFF THE TRACK ON THE UP SWING, 2X 3X 4X 1000X


ps: will the "MIB" and/or The Oil Companies please send me my T-Shirt and my badge

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Chas states you cant load this wheel, he has an engineer going over there to fix the wobbling in a few days, and he is going to attach just a magnet and position a copper coil if he gets it working.

[Humbugger]

1 week from today, there will be a few people there, manually load the device, and prevent it from dropping balls...  and it will be confirmed..  I have no doubt with the basic math of newton's 2nd law equation that it will be in equalibrium..  we spoke of pennies on a cardboard disc, we've shown in pictures...  as much as we can wish this to work...  there is no zero point, there is no "impact" energy gained.. it's all basic 5th grade newtonian math going on here..  there is no force, extraction, or anything that hasn't been tried for the past 3000 years with this, nothing is different..

THE ONLY WAY THIS DEVICE WILL MOVE IS IF A BALL FALLS OFF THE TRACK ON THE UP SWING, 2X 3X 4X 1000X


ps: will the "MIB" and/or The Oil Companies please send me my T-Shirt and my badge

Your order is being processed as I write.  For cover purposes, I must pretend momentarily that I do not have you fully imaged and tracked at all times...therefore, for public consumption, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT SIZE YOU WEAR.  Oh...about the badge...

Badges?  We don got no badges.  You got badges?   We got no badges.  We don need no stinkin badges!

GEE ~ BALLS FALLING OFF?  SEEMS I SAW A LOT OF THAT ON A CERTAIN VIDEO SOMEWHERE ~

[rMuD]

Chas states you cant load this wheel, he has an engineer going over there to fix the wobbling in a few days, and he is going to attach just a magnet and position a copper coil if he gets it working.

 change the gravity on the upswing, you got a chance.. I hope for the best..  if it's half working please use human effort to simulate the gates, as that can be solved, as long as it doesn't involve lifting balls, or putting force down... 

[rMuD]

1 week from today, there will be a few people there, manually load the device, and prevent it from dropping balls...  and it will be confirmed..  I have no doubt with the basic math of newton's 2nd law equation that it will be in equalibrium..  we spoke of pennies on a cardboard disc, we've shown in pictures...  as much as we can wish this to work...  there is no zero point, there is no "impact" energy gained.. it's all basic 5th grade newtonian math going on here..  there is no force, extraction, or anything that hasn't been tried for the past 3000 years with this, nothing is different..

THE ONLY WAY THIS DEVICE WILL MOVE IS IF A BALL FALLS OFF THE TRACK ON THE UP SWING, 2X 3X 4X 1000X


ps: will the "MIB" and/or The Oil Companies please send me my T-Shirt and my badge

Your order is being processed as I write.  For cover purposes, I must pretend momentarily that I do not have you fully imaged and tracked at all times...therefore, for public consumption, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT SIZE YOU WEAR.  Oh...about the badge...

Badges?  We don got no badges.  You got badges?   We got no badges.  We don need no stinkin badges!

GEE ~ BALLS FALLING OFF?  SEEMS I SAW A LOT OF THAT ON A CERTAIN VIDEO SOMEWHERE ~

that's like the money scam where you give subtract divide add.. and the # is 1 off the value you think it should be...  I was looking for that for hours today..   is this how the other device works

MIB have badges...  otherwise no experimenter would ever believe we were for real..  I see you havn't fought hard enough for the MIB to give you a official badge yet...  very disappointed

[Humbugger]

Chas states you cant load this wheel, he has an engineer going over there to fix the wobbling in a few days, and he is going to attach just a magnet and position a copper coil if he gets it working.

Is there any technology you work with that actually can be loaded?   I've begun to really wonder.

No need to drop everything to respond...just a good natured ribbing from a tired and wrinkled old man in the far back seat...

the humming bugger

[Joh70]

@asthweth: The only thing which could still make sence, is to friendly ask Chas for the original device from his CD. This is his running system. But i asume its not open-source now. Maybe he wants to give it to his children as inheritance.  Any further investigation in the snookers-wheel or the flywheels are a waste of time, besides the fact, that it teaches a lot.

[esaruoho]

HI Jim the video is PUBLIC knowledge feel free to upload it to where ever, i couldn't upload to google video as it times out

We will soon be uploading our water fuel cell replication and self running neon switching RV demos
all open sourced [plans and videos]

36minute chas campbell video posted
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1539570760730776284&hl=en

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

thanks ESA you fawkn rawk my brother
new circuit for his ALT, WFC, an RV neon coming...

[ltseung888]

Dear Ash,

I may be one of the few supporting you  and Chas Campbell in this forum.  I do not mind.  Lee Cheung Kin and I did that for the Liang Xingren invention in China since 2004.  Out of the over 2,000 posts, ours were the only ones supporting him.

Now, the Improved Liang invention in the form of the Chao Ching San car has been certified in China.  The China Patent Office informed Liang that they would not object to his claiming "perpetual motion machine is possible statement" - as our China Patents stated that gravitational and electron motion energy could be LEAD OUT.  There were NO violation of CoE.

Most forum members used the CoP objection.  Most of them did not understand the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory.  The Chas Campbell gravity wheel with the balls could work because it has coupling of two systems.  The first system is the big wheel where the dropping balls provide the pulse force.  This will always turn the big wheel and more importantly, LEAD OUT gravitational energy.  The second system is the ball return system driven by a loosely coupled torque from the first system.  Properly designed and implemented, it is theoretically possible  for the LEAD OUT gravitational energy to exceed loss due to friction etc.

I shall wait for the many bullets or cannon balls to hit this post.  I shall hide in the http://forum.go-here.com.nl where I have moderator privilege or in the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.0.html

I shall charge out after the Chas Campbell Electricity Magnifier information is out.  I have absolute confidence in that device, as I know the superior one at Tsing Hua University.  So do not lose heart.

Lawrence Tseung
Knowledge of Superior Device Leads Out Total Support for Chas Campbell.

[sevich]

Congratulations to Chas, Ash and the camerman for a fine video........thumbs up

I cringe at the thought of even attempting to replicate Chas' wheel

I'll respect and salute the next guy on this fine forum who will consider an attempt to build an (improved) version of Chas' gravity wheel

I've had my own bad $$ replication experiance in the past and don't wish to ever again unless it's cheap and simple

thanx esarhuoho for google video

[wattsup]

Son of a gun Chas, how many decades did you work on this wheel?

Wow, what are all these posts - Chas Week? OK you guys. I think it's better we discuss all this around a pool table with a nice scotch and put them billiard balls to real use. lol. Also, good work, you guys broke the record in concecutive posts under one topic, or did SM win this 20 times already, can't remember.

The main start off of making a perpetual wheel is having the wheel perfectly balanced without the balls. Looking at Chas' wheel, I feel it will be very difficult to balance it properly because you have to be able to remove the wheel, have it rotate on a balancing device at least at 300 rpms to then identify the off balance points and to correct them and turn again, repeated until you have a perfectly balanced wheel. Until this is done, there is no point to continue further, since you will be fighting against the mass off balance. This is probably why the wheel is turning now. One side is off and is creating the turning illusion as if the balls are doing the work, but as soon as you get to the other side, it stops. Even the most perfectly cut wheel needs balancing.

Now supposing the wheel is perfectly balanced and there are no connecting arms, levers or other things connected or attached to the wheel, only the wheel on the base, then with a good arms pull it should turn for a very long time before it comes to a stop. The base should be strong enough to withstand such turning as this makes sure the base will NOT MOVE while the wheel is in its regular motion or else you lose again.

Now supposing the wheel is perfectly balanced, sturdy base and the added components provide the least resistance to the wheel possible, then you can add the balls.

The total weight difference of the balls versus the total weight of the turning wheel must not be to great otherwise there will not be enough shift in ball mass to move the wheel mass. So, the billiard balls may be too light.

Chas' design is interesting and his solution to the problem of right weight shift is clever.

I have provided an alternative design based on Chas' Wheel. This is fully inspired by Chas' idea of transfering balls but I have used two small wheels, the left turning faster than the right, the right holding two balls per angle set, the left only one ball per angle set. Also the top and bottom ball groups act like an automatic energy transfer mechanism. One ball hits a group of balls and the end ball is projected outwards immediately saving the travel time. It's like teleportation of mass. Billiards anyone? Actually Chas could use this onhis wheel.

The left wheel lifts the balls from the inside, thus shortening the total lenght of travel of the balls going up.

This type of project could be done in smaller scale.
Calculate the diameters of the left wheel 10", right wheel 20" to start.

Guys, don't start doing your calculations again. I just put this up quickly to show Chas that his idea could be extended in other ways.

Good work Chas. You're an inspiration and I am sure your design will help in the grand scheme of things.

@Hum

Rearding your right angle question. If you put a large right angle triangle under the top ones, you will notice yours is not perfectly straight, so there is an excess there. Then put the large triangle above the bottom ones and you will see it is not perfectly straight hence more excess. Add the excess together and you get the empty space you are showing. Simple.

[shruggedatlas]

Chas' design is interesting and his solution to the problem of right weight shift is clever.

I think the design is a little bit clever, but I do not understand how even a cursory look a the drawing board would not set off a light bulb in Chas's head that his gravity wheel is pretty much like every other gravity wheel in history that does not work.  I am talking about all the devices that have flaps or hammers or shifting sand or balls on slanted or curved shelves or whatever.  They all try to produce motion by leverage, and they all fail for the exact same reason, which I do not need to repeat here.  I am also amazed as to why he did not try to get a smaller model built and working first.  At least he could have converted it to a neat desktoy by adding a battery to help the balls out.

He said he had fun doing it, and I am no one to deny a man his fun, but he did not break any new ground here.

[rMuD]

Son of a gun Chas, how many decades did you work on this wheel?


I have provided an alternative design based on Chas' Wheel. This is fully inspired by Chas' idea of transfering balls but I have used two small wheels, the left turning faster than the right, the right holding two balls per angle set, the left only one ball per angle set. Also the top and bottom ball groups act like an automatic energy transfer mechanism. One ball hits a group of balls and the end ball is projected outwards immediately saving the travel time. It's like teleportation of mass. Billiards anyone? Actually Chas could use this onhis wheel.

The left wheel lifts the balls from the inside, thus shortening the total lenght of travel of the balls going up.

This type of project could be done in smaller scale.
Calculate the diameters of the left wheel 10", right wheel 20" to start.

2:1 gear ratio so you have to multiply your weight going up by 2?
also you have to have the ball slots at the same angle offset or you will run out of balls at the top

funny thing about all of this, is that the video showed the gravity where, when we were interested in the other device..  the Gravity wheel was something I think he said he enjoyed building.... and very well engineered.. 

In school your tought that failure is bad, and to avoid it at all costs, in the real world the more mistakes you make the more you learn, and the more successful you become.