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[markdansie]

Dear Omni,
i find it amusing how you bully people around on both here and youtube. you push your values and opinions onto everyone else..who made you CEO of this project.
I appreciate and admire the replication efforts....well done. The truth is a simple video of the original running a little longer may help because at this stage I can see no evidence.  How many times have we seen video's of working devices that come of nothing or even worse faked?.
Until someone is able to replicate it or the original creator comes back with some more evidence all your bullying wont help. Take a happy pill and stop bullying people around.
Mark

[NerzhDishual]

Hi fast builders!

OK. At least 3 replications that do not work.
Anyway, mine is slowly going on. I have all the stuff now (even the screws  ).

May I attract your attention on the Xpenzif's screws disposition.
(This is my interpretation).

(http://freenrg.info/MagMotors/Interpretatiion_Of_Xpenzif_Screw_arrangement.jpg)

And also on the fact that the rotor seems not to be 'horizontal':
(http://freenrg.info/MagMotors/XPenzif_Mag_Mot_Under_side.jpg)

Best

[Bruce_TPU]

Good job NerzhDishual,

Not only is it not horizontal, but it is off centered from the base.  This appears to have been purposely built "out of balance".  This would also fit Tseungs "lead out" theory, and explain why it actually works.

What appears to be "easy" to replicate may indeed have more to it than what "immediatly" met the eye!

Those replicating should do so in a way that would allow them to test it off centered and slightly raised.  Something that "minor" could be the difference between success and failure.

Also, all replication attempts should be as accurate as possible in every detail.  One replicator did not even file his screw heads, I noticed, and he declared that it "did not work".  Every detail should be measured and figured as NerzhDishual has started.  Figure out the offset degree.  Figure out the horizontal varience as closely as possible, and then replicate exactly.  I too have "other" commitment in TPU land, but that is my advice to all.

Even the magnets appear to be "slightly" elevated higher than each screw row, also.  Another huge factor, which needs to be measured.

Cheers,
Bruce

[CLaNZeR]

Let me post this from another one of the guys from the Darkside.
I have followed the comments below while watching the video and it makes a lot of sense to me.

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(BR)

I think I have this one sorted.

I was impressed the first time I saw it, it seems to go around for several revolutions, and possibly even accelerate.

BUT

then I noticed the writing (or some marks) inside the white cylinder, and watched that as a reference position.

There are two sticky spots. The worst sticky spot seems to be when the writing on the inside of the rotor is to the left of the picture - this represents 'bottom of the hill', so when the writing is not visible to the left, then the rotor is in an 'uphill' position. There is another weaker 'downhill' sticky spot position where the writing is towards the front of the camera view, but you can't see the writing in that position. Having several sticky spots is expected, as trying to get all those screws perfectly aligned is next to impossible, and one screw out of place will create a sticky spot.

It is easy to get the rotor to go downhill, even approaching with the stator will turn the rotor to the downhill position.

At about 1:00 mins in to the film the rotor looks like it starts to move. But this is simply going in to the 'front' downhill position. Then he gives it a flick with his finger, and the rotor goes past the worst sticky spot. As he has pushed it over the top of the hill, it can go downhill for another revolution and look like it is accelerating. At two revolutions it is visibly slowing down. On the third revolution he moves the stator away a tiny bit, and notice the writing is to the left - this is the downhill position and by moving the stator away a little bit he has just made the following uphill section less! The rotor makes it over the top of the hill one more time, and accelerates downhill again. Again when it gets to the bottom, he moves the stator away which removes the following uphill section completely, and then the rotor slows to a stop.

At 1:40, he pushes the rotor past the sticky spot again, and it goes around exactly one revolution before stopping at the sticky spot again.

So I am happy that this video does not show OU.

If he produces another video, then wake me up again, but his comment 'If you want to buy one: I have sold all of my unneeded devices, please wait until my website opens then you can get one.' really gets my BS alert going!

Do not buy one!!!

p.s. no bad jokes about multiple sticky spots either, please!

***********************************************************************

Cheers

Sean

[klicUK]

Good job NerzhDishual,

Not only is it not horizontal, but it is off centered from the base.  This appears to have been purposely built "out of balance".  This would also fit Tseungs "lead out" theory, and explain why it actually works.

What appears to be "easy" to replicate may indeed have more to it than what "immediatly" met the eye! ;)

Those replicating should do so in a way that would allow them to test it off centered and slightly raised.  Something that "minor" could be the difference between success and failure.

Also, all replication attempts should be as accurate as possible in every detail.  One replicator did not even file his screw heads, I noticed, and he declared that it "did not work".  Every detail should be measured and figured as NerzhDishual has started.  Figure out the offset degree.  Figure out the horizontal varience as closely as possible, and then replicate exactly.  I too have "other" commitment in TPU land, but that is my advice to all.

Even the magnets appear to be "slightly" elevated higher than each screw row, also.  Another huge factor, which needs to be measured.

Cheers,
Bruce

I am on my second build and have studied the original in much greater detail. Hopefully this will be much closer to the original design. However, I think it is a mistake to assume that xpenzif's build was a precision engineered project. Take a look at the still from the video, and you can see just how different the alignment of the heads are on the top and bottom rows, yet still the device works (or is claimed to).
My original post on YouTube was to Omnibus101, and I do say in the vid that it was a hasty build. ill post results from second build soon - and I guarantee it isn't exact, because no one knows the exact specifications, but from what I've seen so far, the breaking effect is all that I expect to see. I don't see how there is enough force from any other magnets to move a screw that is directly under a stator magnet. This is why the device breaks, and my preliminary results with ground screws, correctly spaced are still showing this. All good fun

[zero]

Magna,  you didnt grind your screws close enough on the outside.

 The screws need to be completely flush.   Meaning,  the head needs to be level the
the diameter of the start of the tail.

 The other replication was even worse in alignments and had no grinding at all.

 
 Actually, I think he did say that he hid the head with a hammer - which may have
caused the screws some magnetic fields.  Hard to say really.


Edit:

Sorry Clanzer,  but Ive watched the Vid full screen from a saved file.   There are 4 revolutions.
Ive counted about 10 times now to make sure.

 I used two points as references.   The inside wall of the tube has some word written on it.
The other times I watched the inside of the hard drive bearings... following one of them
carefully.

[Freezer]

Sry for the bad quality, its from my phone.  I know I don't have the spacing correct,  which very well could be the problem, but I'm not getting much pull in any direction from the screw.  It tends to want to stick at the point and head, but that doesn't do much.  I gonna try and find some premade triangular pieces of metal, if I can.

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3995/screwedtd5.jpg)

[zero]

Freezer, theres No way your gona get any pull with the screw heads so
far apart from each other.   

 Also, while you have ground them down well on the outside,
your tube diameter is so small - and the screws may be too long... that they
protrude too far from the base at the points.

 If the tails stick out too far - or are too long,  the fields wont fade...
thus it will get stuck on the one screw and wont change places
with the next screws head.

  Also, I notice your platform is thick and heavy looking.  I doubt
you will move that with those magnets strength.

[Neoerg]

Almost done. I went to my shop today and spent about 3 hours grinding those screws (and a bit of my fingernails). I Just finished mounting them on the cylinder and it looks really close to the video. I left my cylinder longer as I may try putting another row or two on later. The screw size is #8 x 3/4 and I believe I have them ground the same way as the vid. My cylinder is the center of an old plastic wire spool that is exactly 3.5" in diameter. Looks very close. I just have to get some magnets now =(.

[Freezer]

Freezer, theres No way your gona get any pull with the screw heads so
far apart from each other.   

 Also, while you have ground them down well on the outside,
your tube diameter is so small - and the screws may be too long... that they
protrude too far from the base at the points.

 If the tails stick out too far - or are too long,  the fields wont fade...
thus it will get stuck on the one screw and wont change places
with the next screws head.

  Also, I notice your platform is thick and heavy looking.  I doubt
you will move that with those magnets strength.

I already know it doesn't work.  I'm gonna try and find another approach. However I don't think its the distance, its the shape and size of the screw, which I think makes the difference, but feel free to try.  The bearings in it are real good and the slightest force moves it.   I also have a variety of n42 and n50 magnets and they have plenty of pull.   I just posted to show my failed attempt as some requested.