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[markdansie]

Great observations Sean, you have a keen eye. Perhaps the creator may show it spinning for say 3 mins...after all he did claim it had run alnight.
Once again well done everyone doing replications...I decided not to this time as i was not convinced there was anything there.
Mark

[Freezer]

Great observations Sean, you have a keen eye. Perhaps the creator may show it spinning for say 3 mins...after all he did claim it had run alnight.
Once again well done everyone doing replications...I decided not to this time as i was not convinced there was anything there.
Mark

I don't think we can discount it yet, I don't think anyone here knows just how it works.  I tried bending wire into triangular shapes to feel the pull.
The sticky point seems to move to the rear more with that shape, so I will try and come up with a more refined scale and shape of metal.

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3967/cbsxj8.jpg)

[Omnibus]

Dear Omni,
i find it amusing how you bully people around on both here and youtube. you push your values and opinions onto everyone else..who made you CEO of this project.
I appreciate and admire the replication efforts....well done. The truth is a simple video of the original running a little longer may help because at this stage I can see no evidence.  How many times have we seen video's of working devices that come of nothing or even worse faked?.
Until someone is able to replicate it or the original creator comes back with some more evidence all your bullying wont help. Take a happy pill and stop bullying people around.
Mark

I should explain this because you haven't gotten it yet. I have stakes in this project because I have made a rigorous analysis proving that CoE can be violated beyond any doubt. This is the first scientifically sound analysis for the violation of CoE ever made. In my analysis I have shown definitively that excess energy (energy from nothing) can be produced discontinuously. This has not only far-reaching scientific consequences but can also be utilized for practical purposes. Even better would be if this excess energy can be produced continuously which is done by devices such as the one we're discussing now. The reality of such devices is beyond doubt, confirmed by my analysis I mentioned above. What is needed now is a skillful engineering to realize such devices in flesh and blood. While there are many proposals, patents and claims for such devices, this one is the first practical one actually demonstrated (except for Finsrud's which I have seen personally but which is of a more or less theoretical importance).

Hope the above explains why I take this (and similar) project very seriously and require that from others as well. In addition I should tell you something that I've said many times. I don't have friends other than the truth. Truth is my only friend and anyone who tries to play with this will hear from me not very pleasant, although deserved, things.

[Omnibus]

Good job NerzhDishual,

Not only is it not horizontal, but it is off centered from the base.  This appears to have been purposely built "out of balance".  This would also fit Tseungs "lead out" theory, and explain why it actually works.

What appears to be "easy" to replicate may indeed have more to it than what "immediatly" met the eye!

Those replicating should do so in a way that would allow them to test it off centered and slightly raised.  Something that "minor" could be the difference between success and failure.

Also, all replication attempts should be as accurate as possible in every detail.  One replicator did not even file his screw heads, I noticed, and he declared that it "did not work".  Every detail should be measured and figured as NerzhDishual has started.  Figure out the offset degree.  Figure out the horizontal varience as closely as possible, and then replicate exactly.  I too have "other" commitment in TPU land, but that is my advice to all.

Even the magnets appear to be "slightly" elevated higher than each screw row, also.  Another huge factor, which needs to be measured.

Cheers,
Bruce

I am on my second build and have studied the original in much greater detail. Hopefully this will be much closer to the original design. However, I think it is a mistake to assume that xpenzif's build was a precision engineered project. Take a look at the still from the video, and you can see just how different the alignment of the heads are on the top and bottom rows, yet still the device works (or is claimed to).
My original post on YouTube was to Omnibus101, and I do say in the vid that it was a hasty build. ill post results from second build soon - and I guarantee it isn't exact, because no one knows the exact specifications, but from what I've seen so far, the breaking effect is all that I expect to see. I don't see how there is enough force from any other magnets to move a screw that is directly under a stator magnet. This is why the device breaks, and my preliminary results with ground screws, correctly spaced are still showing this. All good fun

Thanks @klicUK. Will follow your efforts very closely. Wish you a lot of success.

The keyword, it seems, is "fine-tuning". Setting this in motion meets with the general problems such devices have. This one seems technically somewhat easier to replicate. Think about Torbay's, let alone Finrsud's. Stefan and others remember the times when Torbay came to NYC with his device and wasn't able to demonstrate it. He was in NYC for about a week, desperately trying to restore it in a working condition the way he 's had it in Argentina. He couldn't, unfortunately. Why? Now I kind of understand it. There are these tiny adjustments which may slip from the grasp even of the constructor of the device. The device worked in Argentina, it was disjointed while traveling to NYC where under pressure the constructor wasn't able to restore it. Look at the video we discuss here. A tiny adjustment of the stator magnets got it going. The second effort, however, wasn't successful. Even the third try made the rotor turn halfheartedly. This a tricky thing to reproduce as are all the important scientific discoveries. Therefore, one has to approach the solving of this problem as a scientist, systematically and painstakingly studying and reproducing first the conditions under which the working device exhibited the effect. Those of the participants here who have made PhD's in and experimental discipline (Physics, Chemistry etc.) know exactly what I mean. Sometimes it takes years to reproduce an effect even after spending years sometimes to assemble the experimental setup. Garage inventor, of course, has it's place but not always.

[MT]

Hi guys,
Really thanks for all contributions. Here is mine first version. I also did not had succes with it. As somebody already said every screw head under magnet forms sticking point and I should say a strong one. If I gather enough further research energy I'll continue with sec. version. Mine prototype is differed from video that it has longer screws (more turns) this could be problem. I placed them as in the NerzhDishual picture. Also each screw head should be leveled to the body of the screw it should not stick out I think.
Oh man if only the guy said what are the dimensions of screws and how precisely are they placed around tube...

good luck,
MT

[klicUK]

Thanks @klicUK. Will follow your efforts very closely. Wish you a lot of success.

The keyword, it seems, is "fine-tuning". Setting this in motion meets with the general problems such devices have. This one seems technically somewhat easier to replicate. Think about Torbay's, let alone Finrsud's. Stefan and others remember the times when Torbay came to NYC with his device and wasn't able to demonstrate it. He was in NYC for about a week, desperately trying to restore it in a working condition the way he 's had it in Argentina. He couldn't, unfortunately. Why? Now I kind of understand it. There are these tiny adjustments which may slip from the grasp even of the constructor of the device. The device worked in Argentina, it was disjointed while traveling to NYC where under pressure the constructor wasn't able to restore it. Look at the video we discuss here. A tiny adjustment of the stator magnets got it going. The second effort, however, wasn't successful. Even the third try made the rotor turn halfheartedly. This a tricky thing to reproduce as are all the important scientific discoveries. Therefore, one has to approach the solving of this problem as a scientist, systematically and painstakingly studying and reproducing first the conditions under which the working device exhibited the effect. Those of the participants here who have made PhD's in and experimental discipline (Physics, Chemistry etc.) know exactly what I mean. Sometimes it takes years to reproduce an effect even after spending years sometimes to assemble the experimental setup. Garage inventor, of course, has it's place but not always.

Omnibus:

I've playing with magnets long enough to know that it certainly is true that the slightest adjustment can be the difference in success and failure. I'm getting some interesting results with the second build, hopefully finished later today - when other chores are out of the way. The thing is, xpezif's original doesn't seem to be built at all precisely, and he claims to have builtseveral replications. I'm trying hard to replicate this device, but honestly - my feeling is that it is actually a frictionless breaking system.

[Paul-R]

Great observations Sean, you have a keen eye. Perhaps the creator may show it spinning for say 3 mins...after all he did claim it had run alnight.
Once again well done everyone doing replications...I decided not to this time as i was not convinced there was anything there.
Mark

I don't think we can discount it yet, I don't think anyone here knows just how it works.  I tried bending wire into triangular shapes to feel the pull.
The sticky point seems to move to the rear more with that shape, so I will try and come up with a more refined scale and shape of metal.

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3967/cbsxj8.jpg)

This drawing reminds me of the Calloway V Gate:
Paul.
http://www.fdp.nu/triangle/default.asp

[Paul-R]

Hi fast builders!

OK. At least 3 replications that do not work.
Anyway, mine is slowly going on. I have all the stuff now (even the screws  ).

May I attract your attention on the Xpenzif's screws disposition.
(This is my interpretation).
And also on the fact that the rotor seems not to be 'horizontal':
(http://freenrg.info/MagMotors/XPenzif_Mag_Mot_Under_side.jpg)

Is he deliberately using two opposing force fields, the magnetic field
and the gravity field?
Paul.

[Bruce_TPU]

@ Paul

Looking at that photo, not only is it "tilted" towards the magnets, but with the "off center", there would also be more "weight" moving down the tilt.  Add to that "heavier, downhill slope" is the pull/attraction of the magnets.

So again I would say a definite "yes", he is using gravity both through the tilt and weight to achieve full rotation.  In my mind this lends "credibility" to the design, as it uses the "lead out theory".

Any replication without the above mentioned "gravity" effecting builds, will not be successful.  It must be off centered and also tilted.

Cheers,
Bruce

[klicUK]

@ Paul

Looking at that photo, not only is it "tilted" towards the magnets, but with the "off center", there would also be more "weight" moving down the tilt.  Add to that "heavier, downhill slope" is the pull/attraction of the magnets.

So again I would say a definite "yes", he is using gravity both through the tilt and weight to achieve full rotation.  In my mind this lends "credibility" to the design, as it uses the "lead out theory".

Any replication without the above mentioned "gravity" effecting builds, will not be successful.  It must be off centered and also tilted.

Cheers,
Bruce

@btentzer: don't know what you mean. Although the rotor (hard drive platter) is mounted off the center of a block, it will still spin in a circle. Any gains made from more weight on the down slope is exactly counter balanced when the same weight travels on the upslope. net gain is exactly zero. As far as I can see, If there is an effect on this device, it can only come from the magnets.