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[bhaas]

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nevermind

[ken_nyus]

The reason I was not expecting a sawtooth waveform, see picture below, excuse the image, it is just a rough analogy

If someone could confirm or show the field shape to be different please?

The way I figure it, the scope readings should have given sharp dips for point A and B
(http://cosmopod.com/mysite/barefm/op/statorfield.jpg)

Edited: Nevermind looked over Lumens later graphs, back to the drawing board!

[PolyMatrix]

Re effects and reverse spin.

Sink Science http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFMqPWSpmTY

[RunningBare]

Which should mean that points A and B must be passing the field sensor at the quickest, and the 90 degree opposite maximum poles at the slowest speed.

Would it be right to assume also that points A and B are at the saw-tooth peaks?

No, they should be nulls, points A and B are where north and south theoretically should be canceling each other out. 

[PolyMatrix]

@Runningbare,@Omnibus
Re Sawtooth wave, Just going through all the sink science vids. Not sure if it is relevant but he does one with six balls. They bounce out and come back in again. It is not quite a sawtooth but close.

Also check out the magnetic liquid vids for some interesting patterns. I will try to find them and post later to save you time.

Six balls in sinkscience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN26IQJbsuY

[ken_nyus]

No, they should be nulls, points A and B are where north and south theoretically should be canceling each other out. 

Thanks RB, I'll think more, I have to look over Lumens later graphs again.

I know little about using coils to measure magnetic fields, thanks for your replies.

[Omnibus]

@PolyMatrix,

That's interesting but don't know this applies to the present study. @RunningBare's and @Lumen's approach is also interesting and may give further insight into what's happening and what to emphasize in the replication. I'd again point to the following video as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tknwdltnB6s .

We would really wanna know what the exact form of the rotor and stator fields are in @alsetalokin's video as well as their mutual disposition and ratio. It would be interesting if he can still demonstrate the effect of acceleration we see in that video. Also, if he can make another rig just like the one in the video and demonstrate the same effect of acceleration. Could it be that that was just a fluke which he came upon just fortuitously? It's sad that, although seemingly more cooperative than many others who have disappeared without a trace after making similar claims, he isn't forthcoming enough on these issues and we have to play a guessing game.

[PolyMatrix]

Magnet holding Feromagnetic liquid in dish, Notice the pattern.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY72o-JAp0Q

Make your on Feromagnetic fluid (Not recomended and toner gets everywhere!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAgnuqt26Q

Inter reaction between ferrofluid and turning magnet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gso_XVxa-rE

Pattern 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cie-kR_Vi4

Ferofluid in rotating field (1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YFsciXhj8

Ferofluid in rotating field (2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVDO8lNNGUk

This is the one I was thinking about in association with the @AL-rotorwheel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5OhZ9wT568

[PolyMatrix]

@ Omnibus

Also using the fluid maybe a help in analysis of what is happening.

[Omnibus]

@PolyMatrix,

I wonder how reproducible the patterns are so that they can be used as "fingerprints" of the magnets in a particular contraption. If so, successful rigs will be characterized by their own patterns which anyone trying to replicate the device should be vying to achieve first.

[Omnibus]

Now, that's the synchronicity in action. I was just typing the same.

[Yadaraf]

@ OVERCONFIDENT, or anyone who knows him

I am studying metaphysical aspects of the OC MPMM and would like to know more about OC's dream in which he envisioned a system consisting of an OCTAGONAL rotor inside a PENTAGONAL stator.

Specifically, I'd like to know -- from OC -- if it's possible that he mistook the shape of the rotor, and if in fact the rotor could have a HEXAGONAL shape (i.e. 6 magnets).

    OC:  Is it possible that the rotor in your dream was HEXAGONAL and not OCTAGONAL?

Hexagons occur frequently in nature, from atomic packing to the swirling storm on the North magnet pole of Saturn,

Furthermore, Neodymium has a hexagonal crystal structure.

I do not have an account at Steorn, thus if anyone can contact OC and provide some feedback, I would appreciate it.

Here's the magnetic North pole of Saturn:

(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/cassini/pia09187-browse.gif)


Yada ..
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[Bruce_TPU]

@btentzer,

I wonder if you found the address of the guys in Washington who offer the N35 cylinder magnets? I'd like to try rotor magnets of different strengths. Regarding the stator magnets, one problem I'm having is that I can't get the magnet and the bearing out of the encasement to try different combinations as @alsetalokin suggested.

@ Omnibus

Here is the link:  (They also carry other sizes.  I should have ordered a couple of different strengths, between N35's and N42's)

http://www.armsmag.com/neodymium_stock_size.htm

Cheers,

Bruce

[Omnibus]

I wonder if we couldn't get away with simple means for now. A page or two back I presented data for my rotor magnets. What strikes me is the highly asymmetric field around quite a symmetric body such as our cylindrical magnets let alone the discrepancies in kgauss from magnet to magnet even when one pole concerned. I've always recognized this complexity of magnetic field around symmetrically shaped magnet as the  culprit for the difficulty in reproducing a working one. Those who report success somehow hit upon a favorable configuration which even they cannot reproduce afterwards. Torbay motor is one prominent case. I will not be amazed if the current case is the same. Therefore, it is very imperative that people such as @alsetalonkin reporting positive results do a more thorough, deeper characterization of their creation especially in terms of the fields at play in a successful experiment. Too bad the inclination isn't more towards scientific exploration rather than just trying to solve technical issues and rely on chance to hit upon a successful configuration.

[Omnibus]

@btentzer,

I wonder if you found the address of the guys in Washington who offer the N35 cylinder magnets? I'd like to try rotor magnets of different strengths. Regarding the stator magnets, one problem I'm having is that I can't get the magnet and the bearing out of the encasement to try different combinations as @alsetalokin suggested.

@ Omnibus

Here is the link:  (They also carry other sizes.  I should have order a couple of different strengths, between N35's and N42's)

http://www.armsmag.com/neodymium_stock_size.htm

Cheers,

Bruce

Thanks a lot. Will order them first thing in the morning. Good luck to you in your replication efforts.