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[Omnibus]

Now, that's the synchronicity in action. I was just typing the same.

[Yadaraf]

@ OVERCONFIDENT, or anyone who knows him

I am studying metaphysical aspects of the OC MPMM and would like to know more about OC's dream in which he envisioned a system consisting of an OCTAGONAL rotor inside a PENTAGONAL stator.

Specifically, I'd like to know -- from OC -- if it's possible that he mistook the shape of the rotor, and if in fact the rotor could have a HEXAGONAL shape (i.e. 6 magnets).

    OC:  Is it possible that the rotor in your dream was HEXAGONAL and not OCTAGONAL?

Hexagons occur frequently in nature, from atomic packing to the swirling storm on the North magnet pole of Saturn,

Furthermore, Neodymium has a hexagonal crystal structure.

I do not have an account at Steorn, thus if anyone can contact OC and provide some feedback, I would appreciate it.

Here's the magnetic North pole of Saturn:

(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/cassini/pia09187-browse.gif)


Yada ..
.

[Bruce_TPU]

@btentzer,

I wonder if you found the address of the guys in Washington who offer the N35 cylinder magnets? I'd like to try rotor magnets of different strengths. Regarding the stator magnets, one problem I'm having is that I can't get the magnet and the bearing out of the encasement to try different combinations as @alsetalokin suggested.

@ Omnibus

Here is the link:  (They also carry other sizes.  I should have ordered a couple of different strengths, between N35's and N42's)

http://www.armsmag.com/neodymium_stock_size.htm

Cheers,

Bruce

[Omnibus]

I wonder if we couldn't get away with simple means for now. A page or two back I presented data for my rotor magnets. What strikes me is the highly asymmetric field around quite a symmetric body such as our cylindrical magnets let alone the discrepancies in kgauss from magnet to magnet even when one pole concerned. I've always recognized this complexity of magnetic field around symmetrically shaped magnet as the  culprit for the difficulty in reproducing a working one. Those who report success somehow hit upon a favorable configuration which even they cannot reproduce afterwards. Torbay motor is one prominent case. I will not be amazed if the current case is the same. Therefore, it is very imperative that people such as @alsetalonkin reporting positive results do a more thorough, deeper characterization of their creation especially in terms of the fields at play in a successful experiment. Too bad the inclination isn't more towards scientific exploration rather than just trying to solve technical issues and rely on chance to hit upon a successful configuration.

[Omnibus]

@btentzer,

I wonder if you found the address of the guys in Washington who offer the N35 cylinder magnets? I'd like to try rotor magnets of different strengths. Regarding the stator magnets, one problem I'm having is that I can't get the magnet and the bearing out of the encasement to try different combinations as @alsetalokin suggested.

@ Omnibus

Here is the link:  (They also carry other sizes.  I should have order a couple of different strengths, between N35's and N42's)

http://www.armsmag.com/neodymium_stock_size.htm

Cheers,

Bruce

Thanks a lot. Will order them first thing in the morning. Good luck to you in your replication efforts.

[Omnibus]

So far most of us have succeeded in latching the lone stator AGW. That latching was the "mistake" which @alsetalokin made which he says led him to success. Obviously, however, there something more to it because no one here can yet see the self-sustaining spin despite the AGW latch. My next step will be to exchange the current N42 rotor magnets with N38 and then with N32 ans see if this would make any difference.

[Bruce_TPU]

@ All

Please take a look at the :20 sec mark of this version of the OC MPMM.
Take note, that when Al spins the stator magnet located between the dampers, that the rotor does not spin.  You can also see this at :39 sec mark.

Notice that when he turns lightly, both of the other stator magnets, the rotor also spins.

So, we too want to see this effect with our setup.  Moving the stator between the dampers and the rotor does not spin.  Conclusion:  If it does, our rotor magnets are too strong.

Any thoughts??   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Ck9xC4S44

Cheers,

Bruce

[PolyMatrix]

At the 20 second mark the non-spin you noticed is between the two bar magnets. That is it happens on the sharp end of the octogon.

[Omnibus]

@btentzer,

I forgot whether or not you have a setup yet to play with. If you do you'll see that behavior of the stator magnets immediately. They don't spin uniformly but each one has an extended period of rest while the rotor is moving.

[PolyMatrix]

@Omnibus

In the 6 balls Sinkscience vid it also occurs to me that it is a study in Inertia.