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[Craigy]

@Esa Maunu,

How can the explanations you give turn our non-working machines into working and perform as the video shows? Let's be practical for a change.

I think you should try to use a off-center rotation, to have an accelerating and therefore radiating charge to form an nested, cylindrical field around the device.

Also i think that this kind of nested, cylindrical field is able to compress the zpe, that has an electrical nature. If you are able to change locally the density of the zpe, it causes an repulsion effect from the mass structures, and makes the system to rotate.

Esa

Perhaps you can also use springs below the device, to allow the device to vibrate and have an accelerating effect. Roschin & Godin device was also build to stand on springs.

Esa

If you have a theory please start a new thread, we are not interested , we want to replicate this , we will argue how it works latter.

Anybody, Does anyone have a source for n30, n35 rotor magnets in europe? That link previously has a min order value a bit high and they don't post out of the US.

[canam101]

Do you fellows really believe, in your heart of hearts, after a week or more of people trying to replicate Al's results, some of the tries using devices that are almost exact duplicates of Al's, and without the slightest indication of OU - do you really think the thing is for real?

Isn't it obvious that Al is hoaxing you, or is deluded?

[martinzurix]

i think when you rotate rotor it need to afect rotating stator too but not wery strong . like in experiment with tesla turbine and ball.  wen stator starts feeling to reach shorter distance to unity of poles rotating oposite direction not same then anomaly starts.

Roschin & Godin device is the same as Alsetalokin's  only with more magnets and biger


(http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/rogo1.jpg)

[martinzurix]

something new

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hwMZQ-A0NE

[Omnibus]

Do you fellows really believe, in your heart of hearts, after a week or more of people trying to replicate Al's results, some of the tries using devices that are almost exact duplicates of Al's, and without the slightest indication of OU - do you really think the thing is for real?

Isn't it obvious that Al is hoaxing you, or is deluded?

To me it isn't obvious. Reproducing scientific results sometimes takes years and decades. I've only been in this for less than a month. The principle this motor is based on is the general principle all magnetic motors are based on only slightly less cumbersome than other rigs to study it. We already know that CoE can be violated and that these motors work. What remains is to exert proper engineering efforts to create a real working one and this is what we're trying to do here. Why are you so impatient? Do you have any reasons to suspect foul play?

[PolyMatrix]

I don't think we should dismiss @Esa Maunu's ideas on this completely, if testers are willing to experiment at a later stage. (Lets not get ahead of the scientific method! As proof is repeatable results)

However it occurred to me and maybe some others, as I am catching up with posts just now, that the balls in the sink science mentioned earlier could be used to analyse the system. Eg a big plastic circular tray with steel balls covered with clingfilm placed over the OC-MPMM or a test bed device with variable speed motors on the two spindles could give a possible insight into the interactions, of the magnets. The 'tray' does not have to be attached to the OC-MPMM thus hopefully avoiding additional moment of Inertia but suspect that if the steel balls are too big will cause significant magnetic drag. So start with one ball and add another so the pattern emerges rather than slam in a handful and hope.

[PolyMatrix]

@canam101

Can you tell me the tolerance needed to reproduce what was seen? Plus or minus what weight, plus or minus what in magnetic strengths are needed to be sure that what was recorded is fake? If you cannot be precise about that then we are happy to assume for the moment that it was genuine.

Babbage had an idea for a mechanical difference engine, the science museum (England) completed the build and found it to work. However the tolerance for making gears in Babbage's time was too far out for Babbage to complete the machine.

So we may be looking at a one off or temporary (serendipitous) moment when everything was just right and the coefficient of friction may have changed just enough to stop it working. It is difficult to cope mentally when you have a dream and find that the dream does not work as expected. So I am prepared to accept the behaviour of @Alsetalokin as quite normal.

We are also extremely lucky in that it was recorded before experimental error or environmental factors got in the way of a working effect.

So my question for you is how qualified in all aspects concerning experimental discovery are you to make such judgements? 

[Omnibus]

@canam101

Can you tell me the tolerance needed to reproduce what was seen? Plus or minus what weight, plus or minus what in magnetic strengths are needed to be sure that what was recorded is fake? If you cannot be precise about that then we are happy to assume for the moment that it was genuine.

Babbage had an idea for a mechanical difference engine, the science museum (England) completed the build and found it to work. However the tolerance for making gears in Babbage's time was too far out for Babbage to complete the machine.

So we may be looking at a one off or temporary (serendipitous) moment when everything was just right and the coefficient of friction may have changed just enough to stop it working. It is difficult to cope mentally when you have a dream and find that the dream does not work as expected. So I am prepared to accept the behaviour of @Alsetalokin as quite normal.

We are also extremely lucky in that it was recorded before experimental error or environmental factors got in the way of a working effect.

So my question for you is how qualified in all aspects concerning experimental discovery are you to make such judgements? 

Right on.

[Omnibus]

I don't think we should dismiss @Esa Maunu's ideas on this completely, if testers are willing to experiment at a later stage. (Lets not get ahead of the scientific method! As proof is repeatable results)

However it occurred to me and maybe some others, as I am catching up with posts just now, that the balls in the sink science mentioned earlier could be used to analyse the system. Eg a big plastic circular tray with steel balls covered with clingfilm placed over the OC-MPMM or a test bed device with variable speed motors on the two spindles could give a possible insight into the interactions, of the magnets. The 'tray' does not have to be attached to the OC-MPMM thus hopefully avoiding additional moment of Inertia but suspect that if the steel balls are too big will cause significant magnetic drag. So start with one ball and add another so the pattern emerges rather than slam in a handful and hope.

I will dismiss this out of hand for reasons to long to explain here. Besides this isn't the thread for such discussions. Let's continue with our replication efforts.

[canam101]

I admit I can barely run a toaster, but something seems wrong with this:

Al supposedly found this by playing around with a configuration derived from OC's idea. The number of stators was altered by him on a guess, apparently, and the exact distances from the rotor magnets to the stator magnets were also gotten by the "let's give it a try" method. Same for the strengths of the rotor and stator magnets. It was all playing around, all guesswork.

If that's how he ended up getting the amazing accelerations that we saw in his video, it seems unlikely that the tolerances of his device were so close that deviating from them by a millimeter would keep the thing from working. It's much more likely, it seems to me, that there is a fairly generous range of magnet strengths and positions which would yield at least a little of what Al saw.

Yet, after a week or more of tries, done with some very close, from the look of them, reproductions of his setup, nobody has seen anything.

If the failure is to be explained by saying that everything has to be within one millimeter of some position and one gauss of some magnet strength to work, then Al not only spun the stator the 'wrong' way by accident, he also hit upon this precisely needed setup by accident.

It beggars the imagination, mine anyway, that it could be like that.

[edited for clarity]

[Omnibus]

It's too early here to order the N35 from that Washington State company but I'll do it later in the afternoon. Someone, however, mentioned N30. Who's selling them? It's good to try a spectrum of magnetic inductions. Later I think I'm going to ask friends in a magnetic company to help me degrade or boost the magnets at intermittent values. Let's hope the results will come about sooner and there'll be no need for that.

[Rosphere]

(Observation moved to debate thread.)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3949.msg72401;topicseen#msg72401

[vipond50]

@Omnibus
What grade of bearing did u incorporated into your Stators? I recall u stated "R3", Was curious to what the runout is in the "Y" axis with the single bearing as per the Replication specification in your Rep.

Best Regards
Bill

[hanker886]

The shop I am working with can do the work based on Jason's drawings and quantity of 20 each.

1. Rotor, CNC'd $26
2. Base plate 1/2" thick, hand drilled, 13 holes no tap, $32 each.
3. Base plate 1/2" thick, hand drilled, 5 holes w/tap $30 each.

I might be able to produce the stator holder for you. I'll have to figure out how much I need to charge. I need to pay for use of lathe. Possibly $3/piece if we have 20x3.

I just paid $28 for rotor, $50 for base plate, 3 each.

you pay the actual shipping.

[sterlinga]

something new

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hwMZQ-A0NE

I created a breif feature page of this unsuccessful replication.

Variablestatus' replication of the OC MPMM Magnet Motor - A loose variant replica only decelerates. It does illustrate rotating magnetic field interactions at a distance of a few inches. (PESWiki; Jan 22, 2008)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MPMM:Replications:variablestatus

(http://peswiki.com/images/8/8c/Variablestatus_MPMM_three-stators_250.jpg)

I find it interesting that people who don't do close replicas and find they don't work are so quick to say, "it must be a hoax".