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[neptune]

Captain Coler is alleged to have built a device called a Magnetstromapparat, which, using only coils magnets and capacitors could generate up to 12 volts. This was  allegedly investigated by the British Government, and was the subject of a Government report. Has anyone attempted to duplicate this, or know of any duplication? If you go to http://angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/hanscoler.htm  you will see a photo of a replication. The builder obviously went to a lot of trouble. But results are "unknown". Any comments on this?

[neptune]

I am a bit surprised that there has been no interest in this. It occurs to me that this device is the basis for the TPU, and is worthy of further research. Also, it might be easier to start and adjust this thing by feeding a signal from a signal generator at an appropriate frequency.

[c0mster]

@neptune

I tried a replication of the Stromerzeuger.  The information out there is very sketchy. The premise that the electron is a south pole doesn?t seem to conform to physics. Here is a link to a couple videos I did trying to understand the concept. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qII_gsz-7ec  and http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0qBCHjai7Os&NR=1.  I do agree that his experiments and the tpu are one in the same. I am still working on the theory.      

Cam

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Neptune,

I think the reason why you are not getting any big response is not that people here are not interested, it is just that this magnificently built replication of the Coler device does not tell us anything new. The circuit diagram shows exactly the same.

What is needed are data. Without data it is just a pretty picture.

Does anyone know who built this?

Hans von Lieven

[Koen1]

no, but I do know that this company: http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/
apparently has this patent application: http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/pdf/MPI-patentapplication.pdf
which anonymous sources say is strongly related to the Coler devices...
Might be interesting to check out?
Doesn't even look like it's very difficult to replicate...

But as for the Coler devices, no, don't know who built that version.
There's quite some speculation on them, but so far no really succesful replications have been reported... as far as I know.
I think they are in fact more complicated than they seem to be in the descriptions, because the described setup
is quite simple, and should have been easily replicated many times already... My guess is that the description is not
entirely complete, that Coler knew some things from hands-on experience that he didn't actually describe...

[Michelinho]

Hi,

I know this is an old post but I am looking for the English patent translation of the Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat. I have studied the details available on the net and some unsuccessful replications and would like to have a go at it. I have the German patent but my very limited German knowledge is far from enough to make sense of the text and the translation software too crude for such work.

Thanks and take care all,

Michel

[Koen1]

Hi,

I know this is an old post but I am looking for the English patent translation of the Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat. I have studied the details available on the net and some unsuccessful replications and would like to have a go at it. I have the German patent but my very limited German knowledge is far from enough to make sense of the text and the translation software too crude for such work.

Thanks and take care all,

Michel

I suppose the German patent you have is the one with the old German "Reich" stamp on it?
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that is the only patent ever granted since he did his research
during the Reich period.
The only English version I know of are the documents produced by the British intelligence
agency, which is not a patent paper at all, but rather a report of the interrogation and
detailed description of Colers devices. It is said that Coler actually built at least a version
of his Magnetstromapparat for demonstration purposes.

Anway, here is a link to a pdf containing full English descriptions of Colers Magnetstrom-
apparat and his Stromerzeuger: http://www.rexresearch.com/infolios/colerbios.PDF
And here is a zip-file with the same info: http://www.rexresearch.com/zip/coler.zip

I hope this helps?
Are you planning to build a test version?
If so, it would be very interesting to hear how that's going.
Oh, and if so, do keep in mind that when old 1940s texts mention
"permanent magnets", like in this Coler work, they often mean
"permanent" iron magnets, which were quite common before
we started mass producing ferrite, alnico, and neodymium
permanent magnets. Coler seems to use "permanent magnets"
with wires attached to them, which would seem to imply that
the magnets themselves are electrically conductive, and that
seems to imply the magnets were made of iron or alnico,
but certainly not of ferrite. And they didn't have neos yet in his day.
Just some stuff you might want to keep in mind when attempting
replication...

Regards,
Koen

[Steven Dufresne]

@Michel,
Doe the German patent discuss the Magnetstromapparat or the Stromzeuger? If it's the Stromzeuger then I'd be happy to type it into google's translator and make a translation that way. The Stromzeuger is very important to me due to the similarity of the testatika's magnet circuit. Where can I find the patent?
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

[Michelinho]

! Steven,

The one I am looking for is the Magnetstromapparat, the German patent shows completely different design with shunts and a make/break that are not shown in all the sites I have visited. I have not seen a patent for the Stromzeuger.

I want to try it because I think I may know why it's working and how come the hexagon. I was told that the Magnetstromapparat looks similar to a snowflakes and the magnetic flow should be projected outside of the hexagon and that it would not work with neo so I am making iron magnets to test the theory. I saw one nice reproduction but the guy made it too nice with metal and copper traces all over the board and also he did not use the deflecting magnets in the center of the hexagon.

A software translator won't work, the phrases don't make much sense.

Take care,

Michel

[Michelinho]

More pictures.

[Koen1]

Interesting... I never heard of "deflecting magnets" in the
center of the setup...

Can you please post a link to that German patent?
I want to take a look at it, see if it is indeed something
that does not appear in the other websources...

The odd thing is that the setup as described in those British
papers is claimed to have actually been built by Coler and
tested by several electrical engineers, and it is claimed
to have actually worked as Coler said it would.
If that setup is indeed different from what is described in the
patent, then I wonder how essential those central "deflecting
magnets" really were...

As for the Stromerzeurger, it was claimed to produce a huge lot
more output than the Magnetstromapparat, so in that respect
it would appear to be more usefull than the latter, which only
put out very little.
Unfortunately I do not know of any patents on that, nor of any
other info besides that given in the British documents on Coler.
I have discussed it with a few other interested people and it
has been suggested that the Stromerzeuger worked on the
basis of magnetic "diode" effects that obstruct charge flow
in one direction, which would allow the transformer type
coupling to use the back emf to stimulate charge flow in
the second layer of plates and magnets and vice versa,
thus resulting in a self-oscillating circuit. How that could
ever produce over unity is a mystery still.

[Michelinho]

@ Koen1,

The Stromerzeurger looks very much like the Tesla radiant energy device but instead of caps, Coler used magnets.

Link for the German patent:
www.rexresearch.com/coler/de680761.pdf

Take care,

Michel

[TinselKoala]

More pictures.

I think the one at the top is George Hathaway's replication. He got a few milliamps, probably from the mains.

One feature that most "replications" of Coler's device have, is that they are built TOO WELL. I think that Coler's original probably had one or more bad solder joints that introduced, shall we say, non-linearities into the circuit's behaviour.

[Steven Dufresne]

@Koen1,
Re the energy source of the Stromzeuger, this is stated in the UK report:
" 4. It is then stated that as well as the normal electrons flowing from the battery and from induction when the circuit is opened or closed, "space electron" flow from "repelling spaces" to "attracting spaces" between the plates, but this theory I was unable to follow any further."

I read that to say Coler was saying that ZPE was being tapped in between the plates to produce charged particles ("space electrons".) In the testatika magnet circuit, the equivalent of Coler's plates would be the combination of disk and grid-like plate facing the disk.

My reason for greater interest in the Stromzeuger over the Magnetstromapparat is as you say, because of the larger output. Sadly, the description is far more confusing.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

[Michelinho]

@TinselKoala,

That was exactly my impression, to nicely done. We did a crude test with 6 horseshoe magnets stringed  in an hexagonal setup and a pancake coil outside and got around 0.5 v from it so the theory seems sound. The wooden setup (in More pictures) uses cow magnets as you can see the rounded ends, the new ones are alnico.

http://www.magnetsource.com/Solutions_Pages/cowmagsAlnicoPill.html

I'll try the iron, neo and probably the alnico cow magnets since they are cheap. The diference would probably be in the size of the hexagon. I wont solder or drill the neo as they can produce toxic fumes, just warping the end of the wire on the magnets will be good enough for tests.

Take care all and thanks for the inputs.

P.S.: I have read all what is available on the net including the coler.zip.