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[Magnethos]

I have heard that testatika motor can supply 3kW, but as you can see... the testatika motor runs at very low rpm.

It uses a stator and a rotor like the windmills? or how it produces the energy?

[Steven Dufresne]

Magnethos,
One theory is that the disks are there just to act as a variable dielectric in a variable capacitor and that the source of the high voltage is something else. This means that the high voltage DC is supplied by something else (e.g.s: the magnets, the small cans) while the disks and the parts that face it, what Paul Baumann refers to as the antenna keys, supply smaller AC. When you combine the two you would end up with DC with AC riding on top of it being used by the pots. In that case there's no mystery to the disks running slow since in that case they would not be the source of the energy, just the source of some necessary AC.

Just to give one highly theoretical example... The whole thing is started by turning the disks by hand. Immediately you have AC at the antenna keys (the parts facing the disks.) This AC is small at first. If this AC is too small then we can guess that the darker disk is made of some material like vinyl which can be charged by rubbing it. In that case the AC would be larger. I know this from experiment. This AC would be used to stimulate the crystals in the smaller cans and in the two tall ones at the back. This crystals would then give off beta particles (high energy electrons.) That's the energy you've just tapped into. The result is a high voltage with a lot of charge. We need to reduce that voltage for useful output. That's where the pots might come in. The inner spiral and the outer perforated cylinder would act as two plates of a leaky capacitor. In the case of the 3kW machine, the inner spiral would be the leaky part since it's electrically connected to the two small, crystal-containing cans in front of the disks, the source of those energetic eletrons. Through arcing and corona over many stages, the charge would make it's way from the inner spiral, through various meshes and perforated metal to the outputs at the tops of the pots, the HV being lowered in the process. The reason for the AC from the disks was to provide a little back and forth movement to the charges as it moved through the interior of the pots to keep the path from being too conductive.

All the above was just to point out that the disks could play only a small part, providing just an AC signal. The reason for the slow speed is that the AC signal has to be of relatively low frequency.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[Magnethos]

Thank you very much for the info Steven.

I thought that the source of energy was the disk, and not, as you say the disk only provides help to supply a small amount of AC. The high voltage DC comes from the (magnets?,small can? or something else). Then the AC would be use to to stimulate the crystals and obtain beta particles that supply high voltage. Then the voltage is converted into usable voltage.

So... they key to obtain energy is to stimulate the crystals?
I read that the crystals were Mountain radioactive Crystals or something similar.

I asked to you that because I have a possible schematic to build an Infinite Voltage supply and then I can increase the voltage with a voltage multiplier circuit. But... I think that the crystals are very hard to find.

[Steven Dufresne]

I thought that the source of energy was the disk, and not, as you say the disk only provides help to supply a small amount of AC. The high voltage DC comes from the (magnets?,small can? or something else). Then the AC would be use to to stimulate the crystals and obtain beta particles that supply high voltage. Then the voltage is converted into usable voltage.

So... they key to obtain energy is to stimulate the crystals?

Remember, it's all just theory. The one I gave was just one theory. The source of energy could very well be the disk. The Methernithan community isn't telling anyone how it works.
-Steve
http://rimstar.orrg

[Magnethos]

Remember, it's all just theory. The one I gave was just one theory. The source of energy could very well be the disk. The Methernithan community isn't telling anyone how it works.
-Steve
http://rimstar.orrg

So... it will be difficult to understand how testatika works. I don't know why people make some big inventions and then hide the information.

Are we damned to a generation of lost inventions?

[Steven Dufresne]

Are we damned to a generation of lost inventions?

Only if we sit on our butts and don't theorize and experiment ourselves. If they did it then so can we. See diagram of my current working theory and photo for my work as of Friday for inspiration.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[f_dyne]

Hi Magnethos (and hi Steve),

I too have my theory.
From my analysis, the Testatika machine is misleading because it resembles an electrostatic generator.
From my work it seems that the most powerful Testatikas work through COMPLETELY ELECTROMAGNETIC means instead.
(Well, the single disk machine should use electrostatic means for disk propulsion and HV shf generation)
The motor is multiplied something like 1:10, so when you make one turn on the disks the EM HV generator (one modified electric motor) makes 10 turns.
You could just not feel the motor mechanical resistance, if the circuit starts immediately the energy amplification process.
http://www.utenti.lycos.it/fischerconsulting/testatpu.html
(This theory I wrote is in my opinion the closest to the real inner workings of Testatikas)
The concept should be the same of EV Gray (Baumann based is work on EV Gray? I don't know of course, but it's possible), Bedini pulse motor, Konzen pulse motor and others.

F_dyne

[Magnethos]

@ Steven
Your schematics seems like one of my schematics. I read about Electron cascade effect.

if we apply a high frequency, high voltage, alternating field across an insulator that we produce this [J.Willard] Gibbs phenomenon, this non-Maxwellian field, which has a differential polarization, that is, that it creates a polarity differential between it and the environment such that neutral and charged air molecules are accelerated at extremely high speed, not very low speed, but at very high speed toward the emitter. As these molecules are accelerated they collide with other molecules in the air and when this collision occurs the electrons are knocked off the molecules, that is, free electrons are knocked off the molecules and they in turn are accelerated by this field and then collide with the other the basis of what we call the electron cascade - we have an entire cascade of electrons being generated everywhere in the environment.
Source: http://energy21.freeservers.com/electroncasc.htm

I found this while I was searching for The Linden Experiment (related with Testatika)

Seeing at your schematics, you say "... of energy from ZPE"
What is ZPE?

What you think of my schematic? Is possible to generate energy from that effect?
I have to say that I can build a device to obtain high voltage from the air.

[mscoffman]

Hi Magnethos (and hi Steve),

I too have my theory.
From my analysis, the Testatika machine is misleading because it resembles an electrostatic generator.
From my work it seems that the Testatika is an COMPLETELY ELECTROMAGNETIC machine instead.

F_dyne;

I disagree, the Testatika machine is a specialised Wimshurst machine connected to a
RF power oscillator. The two horse-shoe magnetic units are variable frequency oscillator
capacitor used for an internal power regulation loops.

The specialized Wimhust machine is an AC capacitively coupled Wimshurst Machine
as it uses collector plates rather than wear-out prone brushes. The overunity occurs
in the whole testatika machine due to COP>1 of electrostatic generators. The AC is
generated by psuedorandomly selecting a sector and capacitively pulling it down. Why; to
allow certain sectors to maintain HV high voltage to recruit external charge to pull the others
back up faster.  This is what allows the slow wheel  RPM. This AC pick-off also gets the
static high electric voltage down too. Yeah - this would eliminate the direct static electric
voltages tendency to generate X-Rays in vacuum tubes too.

( my only theory is that the black ground wheel is carbon black particles used to create a
"Xerox" like background image of the high voltage sectors to slow down charge migration
on the wheel)

The back part of the machine is a one tube RF power oscillator patterned on an amature
radio 2KW linear amplifier. The whole point of the RF oscillator is so the RF step down
transformers can be lightweight and require no iron cores even at high power levels. This
RF method allows electrical power to be pulled out of the natural electrostatic processes
without them being adversely affected. So one can keep doing it.

The electrostaticly derived AC is rectified and used as plate voltage for the vacuum tube
power RF oscillator. The big round cans are the step RF power down transformers.
(inductors with capacitors integrated LC)

The VFO vericap units are part of two control loops one regulates the speed of the motor
and the other the RF center frequency of the power oscillator. The reasonant power
sweet spot of the machine is at the center frequency. By moving away from the center
frequency it causes the machine to become less powerful if the load is low and humidity
is low They cause the machine to become more powerful when the load is high or
the air highly humid by moving the RF frequency to the reasonant sweet spot and
speeding up the wheel motor.

Unfortunately the testatika machine also contains a cheat! The rings magnets inside the
final  transformers/coils allow machines to talk to one another by coupling power magnetically
from one unit to the next via Shiffler-like circuit. The extent to which this cheat is actually
used is unknown. They could of had a central power unit communicating power while it was
powered by hydroelectricity inside the mountain or something or they may have used it to
couple in power only when they were bringing a new unit up.

(BTW I doubt that one would put any radioactive materials inside capacitor units
because the atomic particles would just make them leaky capacitors.)


Functions required;

Get power -> electrostatic generator
Get overunity -> COP>1 of electrostatic generators
Step down static high voltage -> use AC coupling of wheel
Eliminate brush wear -> use AC coupling of wheel
Keep some of Wimshurst sectors at high static voltage -> use AC coupling of wheel
Equalise HV static wear on sectors -> use pseudorandom sectors of wheels
Need for light weight compact high power transformers -> use RF step down
Need for large dynamic power range -> use vacuum tube type electronics
Need for large RF dynamic range for power-> use RF center frequency regulation - loop1
Need for large dynamic range in wimshurst machine -> control rate of motor rotation - loop2

The design is very compact as they resuse parts and functions heavily trying to absolutely
minimise the number of precision hand built components. They were also probably trying to eventually
synthesize 50Hz @ 220Vac output but that required too much reuse of components and accuracy
to do correctly in this unit so they were unsuccessful in doing it.

Abbreviations used;

RF - Radio Frequency
RPM - Revolutions Per Minute
BTW - By the Way
KW - KiloWatts
AC - Alternating Current
HV - High Voltage
VFO - Variable Frequency Oscillator
COP - Coefficient of Output Power versus input power
Vac - Volts Alternating Current
Hz - Hertz
LC - Inductor and Capacitor reasonant

:S:MarkSCoffman

[Steven Dufresne]

@ Steven
Your schematics seems like one of my schematics. I read about Electron cascade effect.

I saw it earlier. I didn't comment because I wanted to read what others had to say first.

Maybe I'm missing something but the energy used to accelerate the electrons to extremely high speed is provided by the electric field which you supply. It takes energy to create that electric field. My understanding is that the net energy would be less than you put in. I think of the electric field as a pool cue (stick) which you use to hit the white ball. The white ball then hits the black ball. The white and black balls are the electrons. The amount of energy in the black ball will be less than the amount of energy in the white ball since some will have been lost during the transfer of energy (during the collision.) The amount of energy in the white ball just after you hit it with the pool cue will be less than the amount of energy you put into moving the cue. Saying you'll get out more energy from electron cascade than you put in seems to me like saying the black ball will all of a sudden have more energy than you had used to move the pool cue.

The exception is if the black ball (an electron) was already moving and when the white ball hit it, the black ball now has its initial energy plus the energy it got from the white ball. The energy it already had is the excess energy you gain. The question then is how many already energetic electrons are there that will be redirected by the electric field?

Seeing at your schematics, you say "... of energy from ZPE"
What is ZPE?

Sorry. It's a pretty common acronym. ZPE = Zero Point Energy. It's the energy that exists even at absolute zero degrees Kelvin (-273 degrees Celsius). It's a part of quantum physics and has been experimentally proven to exist in the Casimir effect. It's energy that exists in the space between the particles and some say is available in huge quatities. The problem is that it is at an extremely high frequency and so is hard to resonate with. It is a problem for nanotechnologists because the Casimir effect can cause problems at the small scale that they work with.

I'm hoping for a way of tapping into it by using some of the ZPE to create brand spanking new electrons. This would give me some voltage for free. It's just my current pie in the sky, hair-brained idea, but heck. Come to think of it, the above diagram I drew is missing a permanent magnet that provides a magnetic field parallel to the plates. My hope is that the magnetic field would provide spin for these new electrons while waves from my electric field and from other particles in the universe (the plus from the ZPE) make up initial spherical waves to get it going. That part stems from a whole theory of matter called the Wave Structure of Matter (or WSM) model. I need the ionized air to provide a conduction path for these new electrons, plus a soup for the "magic" to happen in.

What you think of my schematic? Is possible to generate energy from that effect?
I have to say that I can build a device to obtain high voltage from the air.

Have you already? Details please. Don't let anything I say stop you.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

(Hi F_dyne!)

[Steven Dufresne]

Mark,

The specialized Wimhust machine is an AC capacitively coupled Wimshurst Machine
as it uses collector plates rather than wear-out prone brushes. The overunity occurs
in the whole testatika machine due to COP>1 of electrostatic generators. The AC is
generated by psuedorandomly selecting a sector and capacitively pulling it down. Why; to
allow certain sectors to maintain HV high voltage to recruit external charge to pull the others
back up faster.
<snip>
Get overunity -> COP>1 of electrostatic generators

As a result of what you say above, I'd really like to hear what you think of what I said above about electron cascade. I think the same reasons would apply to why I'd think that electrostatic generators COP<1. But I'd be happy to be wrong.

(BTW I doubt that one would put any radioactive materials inside capacitor units
because the atomic particles would just make them leaky capacitors.)

They wouldn't be capacitor units. They'd be the one part of your system that would absolutely have to be a custom made thingamagig. In any new free energy device there has to be a thingamagig. The pots (the two big cans) I build are all thingamagigs.

-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[f_dyne]

The overunity occurs
in the whole testatika machine due to COP>1 of electrostatic generators.

-Where the excess energy could come from, then?
-Do you know Daniel Pomerleau? He induces overunity effects into normal wire coils. The effect takes some time to vanish. This happens also in Testatika when a back coil is temporarily removed (Marinov's report, and other).

Then: The electron cascade effect should be the normal effect oberved in sparks. The voltage is energy/charge. When energy/charge is over a certain threshold, the air become conductive in that point and the voltage is propagated to the next air molecules. When all molecules are ionized in a path, the voltage permits a current flow. This should be a key principle in Testatika power amplification too, but should not be the reason of the power gain.

F_dyne

[Steven Dufresne]

-Do you know Daniel Pomerleau? He induces overunity effects into normal wire coils. The effect takes some time to vanish. This happens also in Testatika when a back coil is temporarily removed (Marinov's report, and other).

I've always thought the reason the testatika resumed after the coil was put back in was because it was part of the circuit and the circuit included a charged capacitor somewhere. Once the coil was back in place, the energy in the charged capacitor caused the circuit to continue functioning.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[f_dyne]

I've always thought the reason the testatika resumed after the coil was put back in was because it was part of the circuit and the circuit included a charged capacitor somewhere. Once the coil was back in place, the energy in the charged capacitor caused the circuit to continue functioning.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

This condenser thing is obvious reasoning, of course... I try also not obvious reasoning if I can't resolve the puzzle (then I must test of course).

The motor is said to be connected to the horseshoe magnets in the small double disk Testatika, so I assume that no DC current can flow through this path...but DC could be created on the fly if the horseshoe assembly works as an unidirectional amplifier pumped by HV shf. The grids between horseshoe legs would then be shf transmission means between the legs coils, a kind of sequence of collimated antennas.

From the rear pic of the big machine we see clearly (unless some other possible tricks hidden inside the tower) that the motor circuit is looped through the top "diode" too.
The big machine "diode" have only two connections (you can verify from the pics), so this makes a kind of short circuit.
The short circuit must then be interrupted sometimes to drive the motor (lateral high black "resistors" are switches?) or HV shf is rectified in the "diode" by a magnetic field, which would explain the grid in the "diode" as being a magnetised ferromagnetic grid, maybe magnetised by induction from a magnet under (compatible with hauser report).
Then... what the big machine horseshoes would be used for   
Possible explanation... horseshoes are used for power, "diode" for speed regulation.

F_dyne

[Steven Dufresne]

The motor is said to be connected to the horseshoe magnets in the small double disk Testatika, so I assume that no DC current can flow through this path...but DC could be created on the fly if the horseshoe assembly works as an unidirectional amplifier pumped by HV shf. The grids between horseshoe legs would then be shf transmission means between the legs coils, a kind of sequence of collimated antennas.

Just one other possibility I'd like to point out... The bottom ends of the coils around the horseshoe magnet legs might be electrically connected to the magnets allowing DC. The purpose of this would be to get energy from within the magnet assuming that would work. This is one permutation I always test for.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org