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Author Topic: Towards Realizing the TPU  (Read 24132 times)

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #570 on: July 13, 2009, 02:37:02 AM »
Here is a circa 1960's japanese made tv with an open flyback design. The black plate is 3/32 aluminum and the silver base is 2/32 steel. Say what?

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #570 on: July 13, 2009, 02:37:02 AM »
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #571 on: July 13, 2009, 12:21:22 PM »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #572 on: July 13, 2009, 01:35:25 PM »
Why is everyone so sure the beam deflection circuits, in a TV, have anything to do with a TPU?

As I recall, SM mentions shadow masking, Earth's magnetic field, old TV sets, and much more.

A shadow mask is used in most TV set CRTs.
Decades ago it was a big problem with Earth's magnetic field effecting a CRT almost every time is was moved. The CRT had to be degaussed once the CRT was moved. This still happens but degaussing is automatic.
There was a degaussing method built right into TV sets. This would execute on power-up. The design was radically changed and re-patented with only a mention of the original patent back in the 60's.

I can imagine there would be problems with such a system if sequencing the degaussing coils did not stop before the CRT electron beam was on.

I stopped looking at the beam deflection controls a long time ago. The degaussing circuits are simple and the coil arrangements can fit the description of a TPU.
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #573 on: July 13, 2009, 05:51:42 PM »
The flyback was just a reference to the open design and not in particular to the TPU. Just covering some history.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #573 on: July 13, 2009, 05:51:42 PM »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #574 on: July 13, 2009, 07:11:19 PM »
Why is everyone so sure the beam deflection circuits, in a TV, have anything to do with a TPU?

As I recall, SM mentions shadow masking, Earth's magnetic field, old TV sets, and much more.

A shadow mask is used in most TV set CRTs.
Decades ago it was a big problem with Earth's magnetic field effecting a CRT almost every time is was moved. The CRT had to be degaussed once the CRT was moved. This still happens but degaussing is automatic.
There was a degaussing method built right into TV sets. This would execute on power-up. The design was radically changed and re-patented with only a mention of the original patent back in the 60's.

I can imagine there would be problems with such a system if sequencing the degaussing coils did not stop before the CRT electron beam was on.

I stopped looking at the beam deflection controls a long time ago. The degaussing circuits are simple and the coil arrangements can fit the description of a TPU.

Like you said, the degaussing may well have been manual in the particular TV SM referenced, and even if not, it must have been off for the unit to operate. We must assume the child was killed while the unit was in operation.

That leave the initial malfunction within the deflection coils... the yoke. A degaussing coil present in the system may have contributed after the fact, but was probably not the start of the affect.

The yoke is driven by the two TV driver circuits, the vertical and horizontal circuits, which in themselves are fairly simple. (The timing circuits are complex, but the driver circuits are simple.)

Therefore, the malfunction would logically have to fall into one of two possibilities:

1. Malfunction or bad design of driver circuit(s)
2. Improper winding or initial bad design of the Yoke.

If Steven stumbled upon the TPU concept through trying to recreate the exploding TV scenario, then he would have started by using 1960's GE TV parts. He would have logically used the Yoke as a starting point, and progressed from there.

He probably would have desired a controllable uniform field shape, so started to rewind with the same general design as the yoke, but upon a symmetrically uniform toroidal form, instead of the nonlinear form used in a yoke.  He then would have achieve the field effects, which I assume to be a two vector rotation based upon his words (field rotating in two directions at once). You will notice that such rotation is impossible with just a simple two or four coil single plane coil, such as could be achieved with either the horizontal OR the vertical deflection coils if properly fed, but would require BOTH for a two vector rotation.

Coils in the same plane will only further rotation within that plane, a problem I have been wrestling with for awhile.

Here is a thought that hit me after I started this line of investigation: The TPU may be a two part unit. The field generation unit (possibly the toroid in the center), and the electrical generation unit (the external toroid). It is but a thought, give it only that much weight.

I wish SM were reading this, to check whether the logic was even close.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #575 on: July 13, 2009, 07:58:51 PM »
the open tpu reminds me of an induction style motor that acclerates to an insaine speed ..  :D

hence the gyro effect ....  :D

and maybe a few relay coils ...  :D


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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #575 on: July 13, 2009, 07:58:51 PM »
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #576 on: July 15, 2009, 05:04:23 PM »
IS OK @INNOVATION
IS GOOD TO START
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #576 on: July 15, 2009, 05:04:23 PM »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #577 on: July 15, 2009, 07:38:45 PM »
IS OK @INNOVATION
IS GOOD TO START

For some reason I can't reply to my personal messages on this computer, but I did read your post and I watched the video.  It looks very interesting to me but I have no sound on this computer so I'm not really sure of everything that may be going on. 

P.S.  What is under that pad???
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #577 on: July 15, 2009, 07:38:45 PM »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #578 on: July 16, 2009, 05:34:56 PM »
For some reason I can't reply to my personal messages on this computer, but I did read your post and I watched the video.  It looks very interesting to me but I have no sound on this computer so I'm not really sure of everything that may be going on. 

P.S.  What is under that pad???

its magic

lol

ist!
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #578 on: July 16, 2009, 05:34:56 PM »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #579 on: July 17, 2009, 10:19:38 PM »
FOR ALL

IM VONDERING HOW TO MAKE RED SWITCH  FOR MY TPU

DID ENY ONE KNOW HOW
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #579 on: July 17, 2009, 10:19:38 PM »
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #580 on: July 17, 2009, 11:28:45 PM »
Mac dont know wtf a red switch is but a reed switch you can get at any store that sells security equipment.   BTW can't seem to be able to pm anybody must have some security setting on this new brain box setup wrong. 
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #580 on: July 17, 2009, 11:28:45 PM »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #581 on: July 18, 2009, 06:17:48 PM »
Mac dont know wtf a red switch is but a reed switch you can get at any store that sells security equipment.   BTW can't seem to be able to pm anybody must have some security setting on this new brain box setup wrong.

where ya been bro ? 

a reed burns out fast ... unless u CAP IT ... or is that COP IT lol  :D

i found a window sencer with fast off times ....  might work better but fets used properly will do the job ..

agin this is still switching .. i dont think it is the best way to do it but it will work

when you do 3 freqs in the enviroment ... they will combine and cause rotation with out switching in the sence we are currently useing it ...

just as i see it ... 

ist!

you could use spark gaps ... but thats kinda cave man style ...

so lets have a BETTER LOOK AT 4 COILS ABOUT 1 RING ...
matched by 180 deg .. power the first set .. like a jt... and the second set wich is also hooked up 180 deg is powered by the complementry engery ... thuss accelerateing what is circulating in the ring ...

so turn on the switch you get 4 magic feilds 2 n 2 s then shutt it off you get the fly back .. or inductive discharge or hemf depending how it is tuned ... then take that rectify it and dump to the comp coils ...  bla bla ... basic ...

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #581 on: July 18, 2009, 06:17:48 PM »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #582 on: July 18, 2009, 08:43:12 PM »
@inno

      been busy staying alive.  god forsaken banking industry is really putting a hurting on the common man.  Lost internet access last winter and just getting back online now. 

  @all

    Reed switches are way too slow.  SM is hetrodyning freqs.  As the freqs combine there is the potential to create very fast current reversals that switching devices just cant do.  Even if the base frequencies are down in the kilohertz range they can create ripple that is well into the light spectrum.
Funny things happen when electrons get kicked out of valence orbitals and can't find their way back home.  Imagine if a force suddenly accelerated the entire solar system.  The smaller lighter planets would ride the wave or accelerating force while the bodies with more mass would take more energy to overcome their centripedal inertia.   The inertia and locked in energy of the less massive planets now effecting a much larger field than their normal orbital neighborhood.
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #583 on: July 18, 2009, 11:00:51 PM »
Sparks
we missed you!!
AND ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #584 on: July 19, 2009, 12:17:15 AM »
DAMM BRO ... 

im glad your back ...   ;D ;D ;D ;D

wanna help make a POWER POINT presentation for the AUTOMOBILE INDSTURY... 

I GOT THE COIL  ;) LOL 

BUT I SUCK AT writeing it all up and all the jazz ... 

but bros you got skills in that department! 

its just a really simple coil but it im sure would make them happy ..  ;D

if you want bro ...   need to fund my TELEPORTOR SOME HOW ..  :D

ist!

here is a pic of the coil im currently building ...  the SKY 8<o>8 COIL

here is the driver board so far .. still building it ..  the coil showen is a 2 freqency npn and pnp in sync  3 phase rotation 1 dirrection  x 2 lol for the second phase .... i will flip power supplies as they are required ...  like left and right hand ...  but all the same dirrection pnp is wired in reverse of npn so the colapes both npn and pnp combine at the same time makeing a much larger electro magnet .. then i spun them just slowly  cuz the first freq sets up the spikes ... it is tuned to the toroide  bla bla i wrote most of it on line here and there ... lol

i want to keep the kick that is returned in this ring in a magnetic form so i can rotate it and and pull much more than just the fly back back off it ...
 ;)


yea it gets wilder yet    btw this coil comes pre charged it only needs the first initinal charge ...
forever on... it runs on its own ....

 :o ;D 8)
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