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[exnihiloest]

This design shows no free energy. It may be perpetual motion but there is no excess energy to be left for use. It does not speed up and it would take a perpetual motion design that speeds up to the point of self destruction before it can be said to be able to produce free energy.

 based on the speed shown, any load would make it slow down to halt if it already doesn't do so without a load added.

If this design really works, it shows free energy. This free energy is used to overcome the loses due to friction of the rollers or the air, thus leading to a maximum speed. Even with such a simple prototype it is possible to add a charge slowing the speed but recovering energy.
The remaining problem is just that there are hundreds of such "fe motors" on the web but nobody can duplicate them: probably 100% scam.



 

[sm0ky2]

i dont know if this is a scam or not, the short video, and obscure photographs of its construction don't tell us a whole lot.

all im sayin is, that quadrapole in combination with the oscillator DOES show some interesting results, and might be worth looking into.


@ nightlife  - your assumption that ALL PMM's "must" accelerate to self destruction is absurd.
   SOME do just that, im not sayin' you're "wrong", but its rediculous to think that ALL such machines must behave this way..   ONLY if they accelerate infinitely (or beyond their capacity) will they accelerate to self destructoin.  in ALL other cases, the device would (or should) reach a maximum velocity.

[AB Hammer]

@CLaNZeR

 Good string to start. I find it interesting and can see what he is doing. The larger stack of ceramic magnets cause a larger magnetic field and on the avi there are other magnets on the rim. This has fallen in some things I have tried. But if it was running for real, it should be running a bit faster, but sticky spots will slow it down, but may take awhile. In a video I want to see one at the start, not just spinning. I want to see it accelerate.

[nightlife]

broli,

"you don't know what you're talking about and are polluting this thread."

 I know exactly what I am talking about and everything I have posted on this thread has to due with this thread as well as others like it.

   
exnihiloest, 

If this design really works, it shows free energy.

 I should have clarified my statement a bit better. It does not show any excess free energy and can not unless it was to speed up to the point of self destruction.

sm0ky2, 

@ nightlife  - your assumption that ALL PMM's "must" accelerate to self destruction is absurd.

 Oh is it? If they are designed to produce more energy then they need to operate, then yes, they must be able to accelerate to the point of self destruction when no added resistance is presented.

ONLY if they accelerate infinitely (or beyond their capacity) will they accelerate to self destruction.  in ALL other cases, the device would (or should) reach a maximum velocity.

 A maximum velocity can only be accounted for when a resistance is added. The maximum velocity is based on the resistance. If there is no resistance to a acceleration, the acceleration will accelerate to the point of self destruction. The point of self destruction would depend on the materials used in the design.
 We are talking about true magnetic fields here. All perpetual designs are designed to work off true magnetic fields. True magnetic field centers have no limits when they are introduced to a pull or a push. They will always pull to the center or always push from the center when another same magnetic field is presented depending on the magnetic fields pole position.
 If a perpetual motion design can not accelerate to the point of destruction with out a added resistance, it will never produce more energy that it needs to operate. Any resistance would slow it down until it stops.

 The only way a perpetual motion design can produce more then it requires to work is for it to be able to accelerate to the point of self destruction or it is able to accelerate to the point where it creates it's own resistance. The only way to keep it from self destructing is by adding a resistance.
 

[Nihilanth]

Are those the same magnets as the ones from Radioshack?

I think we need to get some of the dimensions of those parts, and replications going to see if we can get any real empirical evidence, and possible improvements.

You probably should have left "Sabous" out of the subject name if you really had wanted him to be anonymous.

[noname]

will nice if it really works, but unfortunately the video does not show the start like many other videos.
  The flywheel has a lot of mass, so once started and then the video taken it is hard to tell if the unit is slowing down or not; I wish we could see the start of the motor.
 

[yoyo]

HEY NIGHTLIFE - you have a puny mind unable to comprehend more than one concept of PM.

Your 'statement of fact' is a more a statement of ignorance!

You thinking the ONLY way to get OU from PM is self-destructive acceleration and it MUST BE SO is.... your opinion.  A stupid, idiotic one - but hey - you are entitled to it.  To state your 'opinion'  (as fucked-up as it is) as LAW further demonstrates your inferior intellect.

 

[AB Hammer]

@nightlife

 Accelerate to the point of destruction. This can be a true statement if there are no resistance. Gravity + velocity - resistance.  Resistance / friction will regulate any speed. A PM device blowing apart is possible, but not likely unless it is built poorly. But all and all don't you think we need a runner first before we argue about flying apart. 

 PS  Bessler's wheels didn't fly apart either.

[Creativity]

The problem came up because both sides speak about the different basic case.Nightlife takes frictionless environment as a basic case and then his words are true all the way.He is also right about any generator with resistance that is constant or slower growing than speed.

Some examples to clarify:
1)If we would have no resistance at all a bicycle wheel made to turn would turn for ever creating a perpetum mobile.It would not slow down,nor would it accelerate because no extra energy is put to it once started.we have a self runner
2) now 10 times at every turn of this PM wheel we it adds a constant impulse of force.With every impulse the speed of the wheel will increase accordingly.we have a self runner with higher speed
3)the wheel impulses infinite many times with the same constant force,obtaining infinite speed and destroying the wheel.A generator.

in case 1 no energy is added nor lost (no resistance).If this PM would produce any surplus energy for long enough time it will self destruct as in case 3.

With introduction of resistance situation would look like this:
4)case1 but bicycle wheel will eventually stop,as with every turning its speed is lost due to extracted energy(normal everyday case)
5)
  a)if the impulse of force at every turn is smaller than resistance ,then wheel will stop eventually but it will take longer than in case 1 to do so
  b)if the impulse is equal to the resistance we have a self runner with constant turning speed
  c)if the impulse is greater than the resistance we obtain self destructor

As we have always resistance only 5a and 5b are important to us.As u see in resistanceless theory any generator  should self destruct like in case 3.This is exactly as nightlife said,because at every turn energy is added but never taken away....

In real world we can have a generator outputting just enough power to self sustain its movement-a self runner with a constant speed as in case 5b).Clearly 5b is not producing any usefull work and addition of any load will make it to stop eventually.So in fact it is a PM and can be called a generator only in resistanceless circumstances(because it outputs no usefull energy and in definition generator is outputting surplus energy).

A real generator like in case 5c should self destruct as the force impulse is constant and it implies constant acceleration.Only extra load equal to surplus output can save the generator and make it to operate at constant speed.extra load can also come in a form of increase in resistance with increasing speed.In case when resistance grows faster than speed at some point the generator will reach constant speed because the resistance will mug it out of all surplus energy-becomes case 5b.It can be that this speed is enough to self destruct(poor design).If resistance grows slower than speed u have a self destructor.

[yaz]

Did a little searching and found a non english board with more info with diagrams and  pics on that motor (first link).

The second link has actual blueprints for a SIMILAR motor. Hopefully someone can get enough info to build a demo model. Might want to use a page translator for the links.

http://www.upramene.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=718&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30


http://www.elektroworld.info/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=173

[nightlife]

HEY NIGHTLIFE - you have a puny mind unable to comprehend more than one concept of PM.

Your 'statement of fact' is a more a statement of ignorance!

You thinking the ONLY way to get OU from PM is self-destructive acceleration and it MUST BE SO is.... your opinion.  A stupid, idiotic one - but hey - you are entitled to it.  To state your 'opinion'  (as fucked-up as it is) as LAW further demonstrates your inferior intellect.

 

 If you wish to call me names and disrespect me, please do that in person. My comments are facts and if you took the time to think about it, you would know I am right. If you would like to talk about what I posted, then we can do that provided it is done respectfully. I will not stand for being disrespected and anyone is more then welcome to sit down and talk to me in person over a cup of coffee but please note that I am not very nice to those who disrespect me in person.

[nightlife]

AB Hammer, "This can be a true statement if there are no resistance. Gravity + velocity - resistance.  Resistance / friction will regulate any speed. A PM device blowing apart is possible, but not likely unless it is built poorly. But all and all don't you think we need a runner first before we argue about flying apart."

  I am loosing my mind trying to get you all to understand what I am saying.

 For A PM to produce more energy then it consumes, it would have to continuously accelerate unless a resistance is added to limit the RPM of the PM.

 You get the PM to self run, then it consumes the energy it produces and therefore will stay at a steady RPM. Once a resistance is added, it will decelerate until it comes to a halt.

 Isn’t that basic common sense?

[nightlife]

Creativity, thank you. Finally we have someone else with some common sense here.  Now if we can get the others to understand this. Common sense is becoming hard to find in people these days. LOL
 

[nightlife]

 The more I look at the pictures and watch the video, I find there to be a lot of unnecessary resistance in the design that would just add to the loss of energy that could be left to be added to the over all efficiency.

 The zip ties, the placement of the three magnets around the top and the pivot point are just a few things that I see that could be designed better to eliminate some of the resistance.

[Nihilanth]

Nightlife, there is a "modify" button in the top right corner of each post you make when signed in. I'd appreciate it if you used it in the future to add-on to your posts rather then quadruple-posting.