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[P-Motion]

Yup! resting on the middle of 'it',,,  But what is "it" resting on?

  Ralph,
 That is one nice thing about my having taken the time to do an actual build. It helps me to understand the different ways something can work.
 There is one thing that was always stressed to me by my family. And that is if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. I think with this, I would have to agree with them.
 

                                                                                        Jim         

[P-Motion]

  Ralph,
 That is one nice thing about my having taken the time to do an actual build. It helps me to understand the different ways something can work.
 There is one thing that was always stressed to me by my family. And that is if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. I think with this, I would have to agree with them.
 

                                                                                        Jim         

  Ralph,
 Basically anything anyone posts is a perpetual theory. When even a basic prototype is built, then can engineering actually be able to be discussed. This would mean that anyone discussing an idea would need the same basic model so they can observe in the first person what is being discussed. This would be the only way to keep people on the same page when discussing an idea.
 Even when Da Vinci drew his helicopter, it would have seemed not to work. 4 thin blades pushing air down on the copter itself would lift it ? That doesn't sound like a good engineering theory. But with R & D, we now know it does work.
 It is the same thing with a couple of Bessler's drawings, as far as I know, no one but myself has built anything to observe the mechanics as applied to an actual engineered device.
 And because of this, when I do discuss something that concerns them, I'm not sure if anyone would understand what point I am trying to make.
 The 2nd reason why I think it would be easier for me to do it myself  :-)

[Thaelin]

   I just unloaded my idea and such in archers old thread. Enjoy.

thaelin

[P-Motion]

   I just unloaded my idea and such in archers old thread. Enjoy.

thaelin

 Thaelin,
 I just gave a quick look for his old thread and didn't see it.
One thing I've kind of thought about working on ideas is that it is different when people get together and work on something. Can't do that over the internet.
 I think that makes a big difference in building something. Could be the number one reason it will never happen.

[Thaelin]

   Well, guess I will have to move it over to a new one by its self. I have to
head out for work but will be into it over the holliday. Look for the Grav-Gen.

thaelin

[P-Motion]

Yup! resting on the middle of 'it',,,  But what is "it" resting on?

  Ya know Ralph, I reread my post. Your post makes no sense.
 I think that is what they said about Pallin when ever she was on the spot for a difficult answer, she always got cute. Your post reminds me of that.
 But as you said, you were not serious when you first posted this thread. Could be the person you aimed it at might have an argument against you.

[P-Motion]

  Ralph,
 The reality is that for about $15, anyone can build a single arm to check out some of the mechanics of Mt 24. Even then, for a few dollars more, they could get an idea of how Mt 25 might work.
 I guess that's to much money. I have been working on a build design for Mt 25.
I do have to be concerned with actual engineering which takes time. Not sure when I will get around to it. Since it is something I am doing by myself, I see no reason to hurry.
 When you said that 2 levers would be hanging down at the bottom like a keel would not happen. But then, as you said, where the weight is hanging from.
 For the most part, the weights would be calculated from the position of a fixed arm or the center of the wheel. Of course, if they are resting against an arm while moving upwards, then that is the point where they would create resistance to the rotation of a wheel. You know, they would be considered as counter torque.
 That would be the simplest way to consider a design. What is creating torque and what is countering it.
 And that is where you answered "it" rests somewhere, or something like that. You couldn't follow the engineering.
 Me ? I've gone to school for it and learned about developing guidelines while working at Boeing. Like with Bessler's drawings, they are guidelines and not actual engineered machines. And if you had a few people build them, they would come up with different ways to accomplish his concepts. Which if he did have Mt 25 as a working wheel, how he actually constructed it might never be known. Otherwise he would have to have given away his design so an exact replica could be built. But to demonstrate that his concepts work would pretty much prove he was legitimate.

[P-Motion]

  Hope you have a Merry Christmas Ralph.
 You've helped me to understand somewhat why me and my dad are the way we are.
He doesn't believe I know how this stuff works. In time. it's not that simple of a subject.
 I know you'd probably be willing to do more if you understood it better. Also, how much development would an idea need ?
 With me, I do believe I can demonstrate that Bessler built at least 4 different wheels. That's kind of what motivates me. I've got my second wind back.
 I'm going to try a counter balanced arm. If it works, i won't post any videos. They wouldn't help  anyone to understand how it works. It'd be a delicate balance. it could take me a month or so to build. I'll probably start on it this weekend.
 To let everyone in on it, an over balance that lasts for 45 degrees will cause it to rotate 135 degrees. I might go for 315 degrees of rotation. This would mean only one weight would be a working one and reduce the amount of work I would have to do. Needless to say, it would have bearings.
 
                                                                             Jim    :-)

[Bessler007]

In my introduction to this thread, I suggested some basic ground rules

Think  of a ball playing field, stupid ideas are welcome as it gives participants a longer field  to grab the ball and run, improving on the idea. We will see how many members respond, how many ideas are posted and how long this thread will stay active. All are welcome to join in, but please lets keep to the rules of the game.


So far P-motion is the only one to present an idea, and they certainly offer the prescribed rather long playing fields to improve upon, which was my secondary point of the experiment!. All the other posts are rhetorical hypothesis of who should get what. You have the cart before the horse, you need the 'what' and then all members who have donated productive ideas are the ones recognized to share!

I thought I knew a little about human, and social behavior, I did not expect this thread to gain the  attention it is. Unfortunately, as well proven it is not receiving  the intended type of input.

That being; does, does any one have suggestions of improving and or implementing p-motions input?

Ralph     

Hello Ralph,

Could you point to any where in your thread you've posted an idea.  I've looked it over and can't find any.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

[rlortie]

007,

Starting the thread was my idea, it is dedicated to Broli and has always been his thread.  It is intended for the liberals and those that think all ideas should be 'free sourced'...

I personally do not fit in this category, I work with constructive trusted groups who are seeking  compensation for there efforts. 

Ralph

[Bessler007]

007,

Starting the thread was my idea, it is dedicated to Broli and has always been his thread.  It is intended for the liberals and those that think all ideas should be 'free sourced'...

I personally do not fit in this category, I work with constructive trusted groups who are seeking  compensation for there[sic] efforts.
Ralph

Thanks for the response, Ralph.  Maybe I can fit it into a future interview.

Enjoyed speaking with you today.  Thanks for the kind words.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

[overtaker]

Hi Ralph.  Is Patrick part of your constructive trusted group? 

[rlortie]

overtaker,

No! Patrick is not part of any group that I collaborate with, In fact IIRC private communication between Patrick and I amounts to two letters in the past five years. Time period was shortly after his reciprocater introduction on Besslerwheel.com   

I have no knowledge leading to his Post subject: Dec 5th, 2008 Bessler's Quest Achieved.

Ralph