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[sterlinga]

Improving on the design put forth by HHOHHU, Sovereign Energy Solutions present plans for a hydroxy home heating unit that they say is more effective and safe.

Our coverage:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Sovereign_Energy_Solutions:_The_Green_Home_Heater

Plans:
http://www.thegreenhomeheater.com/index.php?afid=202

Here's my intro:

Sovereign Energy Solutions has developed a home heating unit that utilizes water as its fuel. Electrolysis is used to split the water molecule into hydrogen and oxygen (hydroxy gas), which is burned to generate the heat. The unit pulls 800 Watts and puts out 34,000 BTU. As of around the week of Feb. 15, 2009, they began selling plans for their system. The retail cost of the components required to build the unit is around $600. The savings on energy is projected to be enough to pay for the materials within as little as three months.

They are working on a kit as well as a hybrid furnace conversion system that could run alongside existing furnaces to augment them. They also intend to produce these as completed units once they complete the UL certification process.

The electrolyzer is based on the same technology they used to develop the "Rev 3" on-board hydrogen-boosting unit for vehicles, a system they have been selling over at http://H2OHybridPro.com

The key to their home heater system is the heat exchanger that extracts the heat from the very unusual flame that is able to melt tungsten in just a few seconds. Because the "exhaust" is water vapor, the unit ads humidity to the air, reducing the amount of heat needed.

As for Feb. 27, 2009, the company had built three heater units. The process is yet too young to have had time to ascertain whether the plans are adequate for someone to build a working unit from the plans alone; but that has been the company's objective.

See
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Sovereign_Energy_Solutions:_The_Green_Home_Heater

[ramset]

Sterlinga

Thank you VERY much for sharing this info!!

Chet

[mscoffman]

Finally...something that when complete would constitute a proof and
demonstrate leveraged utility.  This is very useful.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[marksmachines]

Sterlinga!!!

Come on-n-n-n.  When I look at this and see that 800 watts or say 800 watts for one hour (800 watt-hour) can produce 34,000 BTUs I have to say way over unity by 12 times.  800 wattt-hour is equivilant to 2730 BTUs.  IS this unit really producing 34,000 BTUs from less than 1 KWH.   

It states 21 times more eficent than a electric furnace, except for losses in power lines to an electric furnace, which this unit would have too, an electric furnace is 100% efficent because every watt consumed is used to heat air.  You are telling me I could heat a 1000 sq-ft home on 800 watts? 

Somethings seems amiss here. Maybe a factor of 10 off some where?

[ramset]

Mark

research Browns gas ,and the anomalies associated with titanium and tungsten and ceramic

10 times more out than in [300 becomes 3000 F]

Chet

or look at the north Koreans stone unvented stand alone unit [no poisonous electrolytes]


 http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

[mscoffman]

Come on-n-n-n.  When I look at this and see that 800 watts or say 800 watts for one hour (800 watt-hour) can produce 34,000 BTUs I have to say way over unity by 12 times. sq-ft home on 800 watts? 

Somethings seems amiss here. Maybe a factor of 10 off some where?

From a standard scientific viewpoint, you are correct...But there are numerous lines of evidence
(though not currently constituting a "proof") that cold nuclear fusion is occurring in certain
chemical systems. Once there are several valid line of proofs then this will constitute science.

definition:
What is "cold fusion"?; cold fusion is nuclear hot fusion of the hydrogen isotope deuterium in
the lowest initiation energy level configuration of fusion which is called dd deuterium x deuterium
fusion. Because of the way this occurs it produces a momentum-free neutron in the reaction
product. Since there is no neutral matter momentum...there is no Newtonian reaction mass for
long range ionizing radiation to radiate against. Hence the ionizing radiation occurs only very
locally during this reaction and not at longer range.

There are three things required for cold fusion: Natural Hydrogen (gas) and a metal (matrix)
and a one of a number of different ways of injecting mechanical phonon's into a fluid. I
suspect that steering static electricity + some solid matrix can substitute for the target
metal matrix.

Standard water in the earths environment contains deuterium in the ratio of .0125% so
a dd reaction may happen at rate of .0125%^2 - a very small but still visible number.

...this should suggest an easy way to prove cold fusion is happening in this unit.

I prefer to think this way, rather that the numerous lines of evidence people seem to see
are simply figments of their imagination. Others may have a different opinion... for now.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[Paul-R]

Sterlinga!!!

Come on-n-n-n.  When I look at this and see that 800 watts or say 800 watts for one hour (800 watt-hour) can produce 34,000 BTUs I have to say way over unity by 12 times.  800 wattt-hour is equivilant to 2730 BTUs.  IS this unit really producing 34,000 BTUs from less than 1 KWH.   

The Bob Boyce system has some pretty remarkable figures attached to it. I wonder if this system's electronics has a complicated looking toroid in there.

[mscoffman]

Just so noone goes into this with their eyes closed;

If for some reason there is chemical recombination of lets say hydrogen or
oxygen or both with the metal of the heat exchanger, then the excess heat
could come from there, being induced chemically...This would invalidate the
design because it would not be economical to replace the heat exchanger as
fast as it would get used chemically. Heat output would fall rather rapidly,
if this were the case and the heat exchanger was indeed not replaced.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[Hydro-Cell]

The Bob Boyce system has some pretty remarkable figures attached to it. I wonder if this system's electronics has a complicated looking toroid in there.

the bob boyce system may well have some remarkacble figures attached to it, but they have never been proven, nor even demonstrated.

i have looked into the coil that bob uses aswell, i have built and tested it etc etc

the coil does add 3 frequencies together this is correct, but the claims of upto 10,000 amps drawn from the environment is not true.
furthermore neither is the claim of 50-100 lpm output.

the most ever achieved with a bob boyce system is 14lpm at 60 amps, when people building a bob boyce system take there current readings they take it from the 200v lines. when in reality this is being fed from 12v battery. eg 6 amps from a 200 volt linebeing fed from 12v battery = about 96 amps approx

what appears to be very good figures.......arnt

[jadaro2600]

...
You are telling me I could heat a 1000 sq-ft home on 800 watts? 
...

Have you gotten one of those new computers? The ones with the 600 watt power supplies and the video cards with the molex connector? ...those are just as effective, and fun!

Those get hot enough...

[kipper]

I have heard about the heating of different materials with HHO but have not built myself a torch yet... can anyone else confirm that hho flame will abnormally heat certain materials? does it seem feasible to put a fan on that super heated material and heat a space with it?

[jadaro2600]

The production of HHO seem like the art of evading corrosion.  Even when it is produced en-mass there's a great deal of chemistry involved.  ...this device could just as easily be looked at as a gas furnace the same as what would be used for water heating.

Creating a replacement adaptation for heating water using pre-existing gas water heaters would probably be a more franchise-friendly effort.  In-floor heating or cooling would be the next step - ..radiant style.

This thing has been sitting on peswiki forever now. 

[Paul-R]

I can't find any patent application for Randy Bunn or Mark Akkerman.
Any ideas?
Paul.

[jadaro2600]

It's probably because they're using pre-existing patents; all of their ideas are prior art.  They're in search of the flash of genius that makes what they're doing patentable - some special development in their research.

[wizardofmars]

Is anyone stupid enough to fall for this? 

I notice all of these hydroxy heater scams are always based around (1) affiliate marketing and (2) selling plans rather finished units.

Of course, the reason they don't sell finished units is that measuring the energy output would quickly debunk their claims, whereas with plans they can make $$$ without actually building anything, and can always blame failures on not following their plans.

I was surprised to see Sterling Allan including affiliate codes in his links on PESwiki, indicating someone at PESN is getting a kickback from these sales. I always thought he was one of the 'good guys', even if he is eternally gullible.