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[BEP]

And when the Eddys are out of the way, from the disc's point of view, what is left?
Eddy currents aren't the only thing that happens when Al is moving in a stationary field. It is in Cu but not Al. Even though 'magnetic current' is a hot issue, Al conducts it when moving in relation to mag flux. It already has some ferromagnetic properties, as all metals do, but it 'conducts' that flux when moving in relation to a mag flux.

As weird as it may sound, I don't expect Newtonian between the stator and rotor. I only expect what has already been claimed. "The faster the rotor spins the more it pulls straight down on the stator. And - the closer the stator is to the rotor the faster the rotor spins.


I must say, it sure sounds like you have done your homework - refreshing.

[hansvonlieven]

@ Stefan,

Please accept my condolences about your aunt. Let us hope she has departed to a better place.

Peace brother,

Hans von Lieven

[joe_1001101]

"The faster the rotor spins the more it pulls straight down on the stator. And - the closer the stator is to the rotor the faster the rotor spins."

It would be GREAT to see some type of weight scale underneath the stator magnet side of that assembly, and watch the reading in operation!

Joe

[fleubis]

It would be GREAT to see some type of weight scale underneath the stator magnet side of that assembly, and watch the reading in operation!

Joe

Actually, the way Mylow has designed his stator assembly, one could insert a strain gauge fairly easily which could calculate the weight as the stator passes over the magnets. It's an interesting idea.

[lumen]

What most cannot get into their thick heads is the flux is not part of the magnet.

The flux is directly connected to the magnet. You can try a simple experiment! Simply build a tiny homopolar motor using a small battery and wire and a large flat magnet. Place some tape on the wire at the top to create a fan in the air, put the whole unit on a block of styrofoam and float it in a bucket.

You will see the magnet trying to rotate opposite the wire rotation. Building a homopolar generator is simply the reverse process and suffers Lenzes Law and if the field was stationary the magnet would not turn.

I think delay may not describe well the effect on the Mylow platter. Temporary resistance to field change may describe it better.

[pinestone]

Then Faraday was wrong when he rotated the magnet with the disc? He actually did not measure current when he rotated the magnet and disc together?
There are no Eddy currents generated because of the relationship between the rotor magnets and the disc?

Faraday was the first to offer a solution to his paradox but some say he couldn't prove it experimentally. His discarded solution was the flux cannot rotate about it's own axis.

Anyone with remaining Mylow motor attempts can prove or disprove this. Place a Hall -Effect probe under the disc while stationary and then moving. Leave the stator magnet out of the picture first. At that point you almost have a basic homopolar generator.

The idea of a delay is kewl but why would there be a delay. Wouldn't it be more redirection because you have a rotating disc in a stationary field?

Please, no one repeat the stanza about the rotor magnets are not moving in relation to the disc. That is obvious. What most cannot get into their thick heads is the flux is not part of the magnet. Forget why Newton fails here.

Enough to be flamed, I'm sure 

Have at it folks!

But there is rotation. A magnetic field exerts a torque on ferric matter.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/magnetic/magmom.html

This natural function of magnetism follows the right hand rule, and can be described as a gyroscopic force.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008JETPL..87..381Z

You can see how this force affects ferro-nanoparticles at the molecular level.

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/anothermoebius3.jpg

Mylow may have found a way to utilize this phenomenon by 'riding the edge' of the stator and rotor magnets fields. The Bloch wall region is neither north or south- it's an area where north 'twists' into south-

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/sjldzt

[ellubpt]

I am posting here again to say something important.
In nature and in science there is equilibrium.
My statements , taken as over the top critisism were issued in response to what I felt was over top statements from Sterling and Mylow.Equally absurd.
I do not see how what I said was any more outrageous than what they said.
See if you can understand that.

Also. many good people with sense and knowledge are avoiding this place now, because of the fact that they feel that their comments might not be of the "cheerleading" type they feel is only allowed here.
Has anyone read the Steorn forum comments on this?
Why no complaint there?

Now a public press conference is to be scheduled. Expecting no skeptisism?

So we get to the point, through censorship, where everyone agrees the motor runs . Now What?

What is the end?  Censor all skeptics and then what?

I have many experiments with what I saw,many results and observations. But, I believe that the presentation was over the top, so I will not post them.
What is the gain in the community?

What was the original goal afterall of open source?

[BEP]

But there is rotation. A magnetic field exerts a torque on ferric matter.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/magnetic/magmom.html

That requires the flow of electric current

This natural function of magnetism follows the right hand rule, and can be described as a gyroscopic force.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008JETPL..87..381Z

Yes, but how can this produce a non-zero torque on the disc?

You can see how this force affects ferro-nanoparticles at the molecular level.

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/anothermoebius3.jpg

I love that person's work but until I see how those photos are produced I can only assume it is for the same reasons magnetic fields look weird on a particular TV screen. This is fine for showing the separation called the Bloch wall but [I suspect] it also requires the application of moving charges.

Mylow may have found a way to utilize this phenomenon by 'riding the edge' of the stator and rotor magnets fields. The Bloch wall region is neither north or south- it's an area where north 'twists' into south-

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/sjldzt

I'll agree this may be possible. The magnetic-only equivalent of a worm-drive? There have been a few published experiments indicating a simple magnetic dipole is a vortex like structure. Howard wasn't the only one. All indicated it was still static, no rotation.

The only place where rotation is apparent is during the transition between the Bloch and Neel walls. Since that has only been seen at the micro level I'm having trouble applying the concept here.

The reason for my rant remains. People need to understand the fact that the magnetic flux is not produced by a magnet. The field is but that is like saying you are measuring a measurement. The lines don't exist unless you throw iron filings or some other such material in the mix. This solves the paradox and explains how permanent magnets are magnetic without current flow from one end to the other.

There are great and widely accepted arguments to counter my statements. No need to repeat them here. We all understand them. To me, the fact remains a magnet to the magnetic flux is the same as a lens is to light.

It doesn't matter if you believe this or not. Take a moment and look at these problems using my perspective. Things start jiving.

[Cloxxki]

Mylow's alu rotors are roughly 2-dimensional. Flat and round.

Supposing these dampening effects are indeed what makes his setups to allow for optimal magnets layouts resulting in spin...should the rotor not be a shaped to pin-point that dampening effect exactly where we want it? I'm thinking of a roughly fan shaped rotor, the thick blades offset from the rotor magnet groups.

[BEP]

Maybe so but I'll stick to making it work first 

[pinestone]

author=BEP
That requires the flow of electric current

You are wrong. A magnet will induce torque. The only difference between an electromagnet and a magnet is you can turn off an electromagnetic field with the flick of a switch.

Yes, but how can this produce a non-zero torque on the disc?

A magnetic field wants to be at rest (conserved). Think of a ball rolling downhill. Torque disappears when the affected domains reach their lowest magnetic potential.

I love that person's work but until I see how those photos are produced I can only assume it is for the same reasons magnetic fields look weird on a particular TV screen. This is fine for showing the separation called the Bloch wall but [I suspect] it also requires the application of moving charges.

I'm that person, and you are viewing my work (and the work of others).
My lens is a simple, passive device that responds to magnetism at the molecular level using nanotechnology. The images are un-touched, using only a digital camera.

And, a micro-grid CRT (TV) is basically a particle accelerator. Quite useful for studying magnetic fields.
http://www.particlephysics.ac.uk/news/picture-of-the-week/picture-archive/the-particle-accelerator-in-your-home.html

I'll agree this may be possible. The magnetic-only equivalent of a worm-drive? There have been a few published experiments indicating a simple magnetic dipole is a vortex like structure. Howard wasn't the only one. All indicated it was still static, no rotation.

Again, this image I'm referencing is one taken through a Flux Resonator.
This is a special lens I built for a grad student in Kentucky.
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/photonic_dipole_contours_v17u7b.pdf

He's performed many experiments for his fellow students, instructors & professors. The torque from a magnet is real. You are viewing the lowest potential of the field.

The only place where rotation is apparent is during the transition between the Bloch and Neel walls. Since that has only been seen at the micro level I'm having trouble applying the concept here.

My lens is rendering the field at the molecular level, not the micro level.
Look again & you will see how this new technology reveals more detail at another level...

Magnetic torque is quite apparent in this microscopic view of chains composed of ferro-nanoparticles move with the field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n1_6x3kEP8

The reason for my rant remains. People need to understand the fact that the magnetic flux is not produced by a magnet. The field is but that is like saying you are measuring a measurement. The lines don't exist unless you throw iron filings or some other such material in the mix. This solves the paradox and explains how permanent magnets are magnetic without current flow from one end to the other.

I agree. There are no 'lines' of flux. There are only concentrations of the field at specific distances from the Bloch wall.

There are great and widely accepted arguments to counter my statements. No need to repeat them here. We all understand them. To me, the fact remains a magnet to the magnetic flux is the same as a lens is to light.

Your statement is one reason there has been little progress in the understanding of magnetism. If you think everything has already been figured out, you're wrong.
NOBODY knows what a magnetic field is. It remains one of the mysteries of our universe.

[dixiepnum]

now that we're all following 3 threads (pita)....

I emailed sandsmachine.com to see if they could machine a base to go with their aluminium plates, and package them for sale...

we'll see what happens...

[pinestone]

now that we're all following 3 threads (pita)....

I emailed sandsmachine.com to see if they could machine a base to go with their aluminium plates, and package them for sale...

we'll see what happens...

sorry for the rant...I'll stay on topic

[tournamentdan]

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It also would be why it can only achieve a limited RPM. If the field is stronger the delay would be shorter and the RPM higher. Or a thinner plate may cause higher RPM but reducing the field delay may bring back the natural PID effect of magnets and not work at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Huh?  A magnet motor will have a limited RPM because there is no fluctuation in the magnetic flux strength. A magnet will have only one strength and so it can only push a nother magnet away at one speed,that speed will also be determined by the weight of the mass that is you are moving.  Listen you say that the rotor magnets are blocking the eddy currents from the stator mag because they are stronger, which I may agree with that. It all depends on the strength of rotor mags and how fast aluminum is moving, but you can not argue that the two spaces where there is no magnets on the plate( in between the groups of magnets) is being blocked from the stator magnet. So twice per revolution the plate will have a brake affect and slow or stop, and then if it worked it would start then stop start then stop.

[pinestone]

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Huh?  A magnet motor will have a limited RPM because there is no fluctuation in the magnetic flux strength. A magnet will have only one strength and so it can only push a nother magnet away at one speed,that speed will also be determined by the weight of the mass that is you are moving.  Listen you say that the rotor magnets are blocking the eddy currents from the stator mag because they are stronger, which I may agree with that. It all depends on the strength of rotor mags and how fast aluminum is moving, but you can not argue that the two spaces where there is no magnets on the plate( in between the groups of magnets) is being blocked from the stator magnet. So twice per revolution the plate will have a brake affect and slow or stop, and then if it worked it would start then stop start then stop.

Mylow's rotor resembles a homopolar motor on a basic level.

All of the magnets poles are facing the same direction and have the same polarity. If you examine Faraday's Paradox-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_Paradox

and read down to the paragraph that attempts to explain this phenomenon in modern terms...

"All electrons that move in a magnetic field experience a Lorentz force of F = v × B, where v is the velocity of the electrons. This force is perpendicular to both the velocity of the electrons, which is in the plane of the disc, and to the magnetic field, which is normal (surface normal) to the disc. An electron at rest in the frame of the disc moves circularly with the disc relative to the B-field, and so experiences a radial Lorentz force. In Figure 1 this force (on a positive charge, not an electron) is outward toward the rim according to the right-hand rule."

In Mylow's experiment, he's using a typical SMOT arrangement of magnets that force the rotor to spin.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMOT

And, according to Lorentz Law, it's a natural tendency for centifugal force to accumulate electrons around the circumference of the spinning disk. Once the disk begins to spin, a potential is developed between the center and the outer edge of the rotor. This potential may be directly responsible for the 'wave' we've seen with Mylows iron filings and viewing film experiments that he published on youtube.

Hey, it's just another theory...

(sorry for all the edits, but I like to be as accurate as I can)