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[lostcauses10x]

I can not argue with what you have wrote here.
I doubt that any of such devices, if work break COE.
Such shown would just show some thing about the situation is going on that is not yet understood. The one amusing thing about the universe, is it has not stopped moving yet that we have observed. It does seem COE can take a very long time to happen.

G'day omnibus and others, Thanks for the greetings. 

Okay, Like you I don't wish to get too theoretical either. I agree. Basic physics 101 says F=ma and W=Fd =mad.  Ignoring the conservation law for a closed isolated system for the moment, work is definitely done when two magnets attract or repel one another. For example, if two magnets are attracting each other, the work done has a vector component in a direction which in this case is towards each other.  Where you say "if an opportunity is created for a conservative force to induce such displacement infinitely then work will be done infinitely" would be nice, but in the real world the displacement or distance or work done is finite, or has a start point Vi and a finish pointVf, so it's impossible.  Now to get the two magnets apart, the work done will be in the opposite but equal direction as to the initial attraction.  Therefore as we know, the conservation of energy laws state P.E = K.E where P.E=mgh =K.E= 1/2mv^2. 

So I'm afraid it's conserved. Let's face it, magnets have have fascinated man for a long time, and when he or she sees one move and stick to the wall they'll say look it's doing work and the bug bites them. Yes it is doing work, but only in one direction.  To remove that stuck magnet will require the same amount of work but in the opposite direction. Net gain =O KJ/Nm and that's not including real world frictional losses. 
In Mylows wheel or the HJ motor, the moving rotor magnets are coming in sideways to the stator or stationary magnet.  I sincerely don't want to sound rude but "so what?"  The same COE law must also apply. The energy in must = the energy out.  In fact it will be less out because of  magnetic drag, air resistance, bearing friction.  Now some are going to say what about subatomic particle spins, domain alignments, de broglies theorem (quantum physics), natural de-magnetisation, some special shape etc...., but so far nothing has presented itself as providing some kind special or mysterious subatomic force that will lead to a continous free energy machine. The only thing I saw once was a doco where they were demonstrating a plasma space propulsion engine, where they had a electromagnetically contained plasma gas, and they brought a magnet near it and the gas began to spin. That was very interesting.

Finally, most people with an ounce of intelligence know the COE law are tried and true, that's why in my last post I said I'd shake hands with whoever proved Newton wrong and I'll eat my words.  At the same time, It's not my place to say or stop anyone from experimenting and having a go too.  So good on you Mylow and others. I think this type of research and tinkering is a great hobby, as long as you don't let it consume you. I had a mate who was addicted to this quest to solve the world's energy problems with a 'free energy' machine of some sort and it became like a sickness where he would have bouts of depression whenever he had a failure.   So take it easy everyone the world will be around for a loooong time after we're all gone.

[carbonc_cc]

heh, my problem was finding the center of my not so round pan.

I believe I got close enough to reduce wobble to a minimum.

[sterlinga]

Mylow phoned me this morning.

He has received the two alnico magnets I sent him, has been putting them in the motor, and was very excited to tell me about what he was finding.

The smaller of the two, which is just barely larger than the stator magnet he has been using, worked so well that the centripetal force of rotation made some of the rotor magnets fly off.  He didn't count the rpms, but he said, "It was going one, two, three, four...", at the speed he recalls, and I would estimate it to be at least 300-400 rpm.

This overspeed problem can be remedied (we presume) by backing the stator off, so it's not as close.

He said that the attraction between the stator and the rotor magnets is so strong he has to hold the stator apparatus to keep it from sliding toward the rotor magnets.  I suggested that he tape the base of the rotor to the base of the stator to keep them in position, then use the new screw adjustment mechanism he devised to bring the stator in and out of position.

He said it was harder to find the "sweet spot" from where the acceleration takes off.

He said that the magnet is so strong he could hardly pull the keeper plate off of it.

The larger of the two stator magnets is so strong, he said that it accelerates in a pulsing fashion.  It jerks as if it's looking for an equilibrium but can't find it, then stops.  When it stopped, he said it sucked the rotor magnets off the disc, smacking them into the stator magnet.  Before that, he said it made about 12 revolutions.

In suggesting that he jump on a plane to come here to San Jose to Thursday night's presentation at San Jose State University, he was a little skittish.  He'll need to get off work, he wants his wife to come, and she's used up all her paid vacation for the year, and he's never been outside of Chicago.  But he said he would start making some calls and get back to me.

So now we can now say that that stator magnets HS811N from  http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
apparently work on Mylow's motor.  Mention the promotion code "PES" to get a 5% discount.  I've been talking to Felix there.

Now we just need to verify a rotor magnet source that will work.  The ones that Sean is using look pretty close.  Sean, you ought to get the HS811N and give it a whirl.

I'm going to start working up a story page at PESN.
http://pesn.com/2009/04/01/9501536_Mylow_magnet_motor_running/

@X1003, give me a call so we can arrange to get Mylow a flight.

@ Everyone.  Help us keep http://MylowMagnetMotor.com up to date and accurate.  It's going to be getting a lot of traffic.  Post notice of your replications on the Replications page, and a one-liner on the "updates" page.  Build a feature page for your replication if you're going all out like CLaNZeR and carbonc_cc, etc.  See how their pages are made and just copy the format using your info.  The image upload link is near the bottom of the left hand navigation column.

Exciting times!

Sterling


----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: Send Mylow Stator Magnets to Test


I spoke with Mylow this morning,

He has his rotor magnets put back on the disc.

He said that even though his iron stator magnet is very weak, it still turns the rotor a few revolutions.

I encouraged him to shoot a video.

He's very anxious to find a good stator magnet.

I suggested that if people want to send him magnets to try in the stator position, of different sizes, strength, that they could send them to me, and I can forward them on to him.

He said that would be fine.  He'd be glad to give them a whirl.

Here's my address:
Mylow Magnet
c/o PES Network, Inc.
4157 N. West Pinion Cir.
Eagle Mountain, UT 84005
1-801-407-1292

I'm going to be gone until Friday, but my wife said she could forward them while I'm gone.

If you want to send some $ to cover postage, you can send it by PayPal to orders@pureenergysystems.com , or include a check in the box.

I ordered the following from www.allmagnetics.com and had them shipped to Mylow to arrive by the end of the day Wednesday

HS90 and HS811N

Sterling

[Omnibus]

@sirinewton,

Like I said, you’re right in the cases you describe. There’s no CoE violation there. As you correctly point out, in the cases you discuss “the displacement or distance or work done is finite”. I’m talking about other instances, one such is Mylow’s (if it really is what he claims) whereby the distances covered due to the special opportunity created is infinite and therefore the work done is infinite. What is going on here (if real) is something which does not fall within the realm of your simple (and correct) example and it is on a macroscale. If what Mylow shows here is real we have a clear instance of CoE violation as has already been shown in the magnetic propulsor where the excess energy is obtained discontinuously.

[carbonc_cc]

This overspeed problem can be remedied (we presume) by backing the stator off, so it's not as close.

Or by adding a load to the bearing...  Say a generator? or three?

 

[dixiepnum]

ok guys,

i'm no rockstar in physics and engineering and maybe it's better that way for this 'experiment'...

 
anyways, it would appear that there would be a magic ratio between the strength of each rotor versus the strength of each stator, given 2 stators and a fixed (for discussion purposes) number of rotors. I suppose for fun, this ratio might be 19.5.  Well, whatever.

This ratio, given a fixed disk size and weight such as mylow's, will dictate whether the disk can spin smoothly and at a constant speed or not.

All of this under the assumption that his model works.

So since we know the strength of mylow's rotors, and the size and weight of mylow's disk, can any academic mathematicians out there quickly calculate the magic magnet strength ratio, and therefore the required strength of the 2 stators,  so we can put this baby to bed before Friday at 5pm?

This will enable scaling of larger and smaller machines after the fact....

Or am I being 'too scientific' for everyone?

let's see who can arrive at the answer first, the experimenters or the mathematicians?

$1CAD to the winner...

hocus pocus

 

dixie

[dixiepnum]

 

btw...i scored an A+ in calculus, but that was 20 years ago!

 

[queue]

Wind-down test of my disk's bearing ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBbAmiGRYdE


My Mylow HJ replication page
http://OverUnity.ca/Mylow


Cheers
Queue

[sterlinga]

In suggesting that he jump on a plane to come here to San Jose to Thursday night's presentation at San Jose State University, he was a little skittish.  He'll need to get off work, he wants his wife to come, and she's used up all her paid vacation for the year, and he's never been outside of Chicago.  But he said he would start making some calls and get back to me.

I talked to Mylow again just now.

He's feeling rushed and doesn't want to give a public demo until he has a stable unit.

Presently things are crashing all the time, and he doesn't think that makes for a good demo.

I begged for him to post a video, putting his camera on a stand so he has both hands to hold things as he needs to on the motor.

He said that there is some really strange stuff going on with the motor.  PMMTester had him manually hold the magnet up next to the rotor magnets, and the rotor started spinning.  Mylow said that the faster it span the more the stator magnet was attracted toward the rotor magnets, to the point that is was almost more than he could hold.

While we were talking, he was working on the thing, and I heard a couple of noises that sounded like the rotor dinging as it rubbed up against something and the magnets hitting it as they came unglued and flew to the nearest magnetic surface.  It sounded the same as the end of the video he showed on the glass table where the stator disc ran into the rotor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kki3aBMn_-k

He's likewise still uncomfortable with the idea of having others, whether PMMTester, who's been screening his email, or Mike Schuckel, come in to help him get his system stable so that it doesn't crash.  He thinks they'll not be able to pull away from it, they'll be so fascinated with it; and they'll be sleeping on his floor, etc.

There is still a small chance he'll get it to a point that he's comfortable with it in time to fly out to join us at SJSU tomorrow evening, but we shouldn't count on it at this point.  We should give him his space.

Sterling

[PhiScience]

Hi,

  The only way that I can imagine this device working with out violating the law of conservation of energy, and the first law of thermodynamics is if Mylow has created a pump that is interacting with the ether.
Because this law only applies to isolated systems, and a process, which involves the transfer of ether from one side to the other, is hardly an isolated system. 

[Omnibus]

Hi,

  The only way that I can imagine this device working with out violating the law of conservation of energy, and the first law of thermodynamics is if Mylow has created a pump that is interacting with the ether.
Because this law only applies to isolated systems, and a process, which involves the transfer of ether from one side to the other, is hardly an isolated system. 

Again, have no doubt, if what Mylow claims is real, that is a clear violation of CoE. No ether or anything else. That's a direct violation of CoE.

[Chef]

Hi,

  The only way that I can imagine this device working with out violating the law of conservation of energy, and the first law of thermodynamics is if Mylow has created a pump that is interacting with the ether.
Because this law only applies to isolated systems, and a process, which involves the transfer of ether from one side to the other, is hardly an isolated system. 

Bingo! You hit the right point!

There are no any totally isolated system in our universe. Every single atom have to receive energy from the environment. We all know that, we already prove that, we have atomic bombs, we use atomic energy, and I wonder why there are so many sceptics,who can't believe in overunity.

[xee2]

@ sterlinga 

I have a lot of respect for you, but I think you are being very self centered to be asking Mylow to rush and show his motor so that it will fit into your schedule. I think you should be encouraging him to wait until he is sure everything is working before making a demo. To try to do a demo before everything is fully checked and tested is just asking for a failure. I do not think you should be trying to force him into a failed demo.

[sterlinga]

I just ordered the following two sizes to be shipped to Mylow from http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm
Regular shipping, expected arrival next Tuesday.

HSPH2: $6.95
HSPH1:  $15.95

They are not nearly as close in size, but their magnetism is a lot weaker.  I'll be curious to see how much we can vary the size and still get rotation.

Sterling

[Omnibus]

@chef,

Radio is even crazier than atomic bombs, think about it. Why does everybody believe in the reality of radio and not in overunity? Well, the answer is obvious -- everyone can experience what radio is in a very practical sense, should one desire so. As for overunity, there's nothing practical yet. One can convince oneself theoretically that overunity is real by analyzing the magnetic propulsor but that doesn't bring food on the table, it isn't practical (although it can be made practical even in that form). Mylow's device would be a step forward in convincing society in the usefulness of overunity. However, many of us who are otherwise convinced in the reality of overunity are still not sure whether or not he really has what he claims to have. Look, the whole thing with the overunity is like the computers. Way back when, in the fifties of the last century, soviets were the leaders in computer technology but it was still just an academic pursuit. Society at large didn't have a clue about the forthcoming revolution, not to say that the few trying to say there would be such revolution were bitterly ridiculed. I'm a living witness to that. The society at large started to believe and accepted the notion of computers only after our entrepreneurial spirit here in the US transformed it from a purely academic pursuit into a practical thing that can sit on everyone's table. Computers are a counter intuitive thing, very much contrary to the essence of the human beings but they were transformed into categorical acceptance because of the obvious practical benefits they brings about.