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[Omnibus]

@lostcauses10x,

The only real solution is to have and independent party reproduce the claim. Period. End of story.

[lostcauses10x]

I agree to a point.
Yet I must ask why is there so many pages??
What is the content of those pages??

@lostcauses10x,

The only real solution is to have and independent party reproduce the claim. Period. End of story.

[Omnibus]

I agree to a point.
Yet I must ask why is there so many pages??
What is the content of those pages??

It's like any discussion rich in content. In the process each one of us develops his or her own understanding of the problem at hand. Take a look at the recent developments in the thread, as an example. Analyses such as these in this thread are very useful, alongside w/ the hands on reproduction of the device.

[0c]

C'mon moderater, start moderating.

[poynt99]

Mylow is in the process right now, of removing all his videos.

Looks like he left one behind for posterity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnlhmSPTAI

.99

[JRHall]

A couple of things as I watch the replications.  So far no one has placed their magnets in the same spacing as Mylow.  The spacing measurements all appear to be off the back of the magnets along the rim of the aluminum disk.  The spacing between magnets appears to be about 1/3 the width of the magnets.  Published width is .375 with a .125 spacing.  Depth of the magnet is .375.  Given the radius of 8.875 for the aluminum disk and a radius of 8.5 at the front of the magnets, arc length is S while radius is R, S/R = Angle between magnets in radians.  Using .5 as S for the shorter radius gives an angle of .059 radians between magnets.  .059 * 8.875 = .522.  Or a 22 thousandths difference in the spacing front to back of the magnets.  These are approximate numbers and I'm going off memory for the math so if the math needs to be corrected let me know.

This is my long winded way of saying the focus needs to be on the spacing facing the stator magnet. 

With Mylows spacing the stator magnet always has the stator magnet overlapping a rotor magnet and will overlap both adjacent magnets.  I've tried both the magnet width spacing and the 1/3 magnet width spacing and the later works much better.  What I haven't figured out yet is how to calculate the best number of magnets in a group and the spacing between groups.  I've tried the suggested spacing so the fields don't overlap between groupings but that didn't work as well as I had hoped.  The next experiment is to space the magnets so the output push from one group is used to overcome the input resistance to the nest group in parrallel.

[LightRider]

Mylow is in the process right now, of removing all his videos.

Looks like he left one behind for posterity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnlhmSPTAI

.99

fake or not...
I BackUp all the 41 videos. (Names: VIDEO #1 to #41) at...
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
cheers,
LightRider

[JRHall]

Whether Mylows design is fake or not, its not the point here.  Rigerous analysis and design work based on data is.  What physic tells us today has a number of very flawed rules.  Electrodynamics is one example of an area where the equations engineers use are approximations since portions of the complete equations are removed because they are considered inconsiquential.  I'm sure most of you have used Ohms law which is one such equation.

While I'm an engineer I have learned over the years that our understanding of science, regardless of the area, has many flaws and many things are assumed and not proven.  There are even a number of laws that have grown from theories but are not proven and in fact have proofs that show the opposite.

About two years ago I did an analysis of potentual technologies for power harvesting.  I took a look at thermal, vibration, solar and a number of obscure technologies.  One of the proposals that came out of that anlysis was to put ~50 million diodes on a single die to look at ambient thermal energy capture.  While its based on sound science the cost benefits anlysis by our finance and marketing groups did not come out positive.  I think it was short sited.  This is very similar to what Paul keeps bringing up.  While some of you have dismissed Pauls persistance it is being worked on by a number of academics.  The company I work for is actually funding some of that research.

Where am I going with this?  Whether Mylows stuff is fake or not, I've had good success with my experiments so far and I intend to continue down this path to see where it leads.  Be data driven folks and learn to do design of experiments to move your investigations along faster with more concrete results that are repeatable.  What science taught as impossible 50 years ago is now common place. 

[sterlinga]

It looks like Mylow has taken down all but one of his videos.

I had saved down the one he posted last night, but not the one from this morning.  Do one of you have it?

I've posted the one from last night here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3SP70OjZ1I

I went to the two locations we had listed for back-up files, but they don't have any of the recent videos.

Have any of you saved the more recent ones?

Would you mind fixing the broken links, redirecting them to your back-ups, at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Videos

By the way, there is an easy way to copy YouTube and other content for free.

Just go to http://zamzar.com/

It wouldn't hurt if a bunch of us had all these things backed up.

I don't blame Mylow for taking all his videos down.  I bet he's pretty disgusted with the dogpile treatment he's gotten today at Overunity.com.

Sterling

[queue]

Posted a new video just now .. which kind of speaks for itself . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5YcUXyM0

i played a lot with this thing in the last week and i have many powerful neos which i used to try and enhance or effect the horseshoe's fields.

A week ago i thought .. ' well maybe there was something new in the Mylow motor ' but after playing with the arrays and the spin disk i think not. Any way .. you should judge for yourself i guess .. i ahev tried my best to get it to work, i tried all my magnets as stators today after completing the config 7-6 ..

i will probably play around with it a bit more .. if i find something interesting i'll post it ..

It was a learning experience in more ways than one ..
Hope you had fun too.

@Sterling .. you seem like a good guy to have on ones side.
Tip of the hat to you sir !   

@ClaNZer .. you're  ace dude 

@everyone who helped me out ..
Merci .. 
your efforts much appreciated ..

i would like to add a special thanks to my Lady who pitched in and helped me a lot in this replication attempt.
That was nice ! 

Cheers
Queue

[dean_mcgowan]

  My god, its full of .....

Good to see everyones spirits raised

[Grimer]

Whether Mylows design is fake or not, its not the point here.  Rigorous analysis and design work based on data is.  What physic tells us today has a number of very flawed rules.  Electrodynamics is one example of an area where the equations engineers use are approximations since portions of the complete equations are removed because they are considered inconsequential.  I'm sure most of you have used Ohms law which is one such equation.

While I'm an engineer I have learned over the years that our understanding of science, regardless of the area, has many flaws and many things are assumed and not proven.  There are even a number of laws that have grown from theories but are not proven and in fact have proofs that show the opposite.

About two years ago I did an analysis of potential technologies for power harvesting.  I took a look at thermal, vibration, solar and a number of obscure technologies.  One of the proposals that came out of that analysis was to put ~50 million diodes on a single die to look at ambient thermal energy capture.  While its based on sound science the cost benefits analysis by our finance and marketing groups did not come out positive.  I think it was short sited.  This is very similar to what Paul keeps bringing up.  While some of you have dismissed Paul's persistence it is being worked on by a number of academics.  The company I work for is actually funding some of that research.

Where am I going with this?  Whether Mylow's stuff is fake or not, I've had good success with my experiments so far and I intend to continue down this path to see where it leads.  Be data driven folks and learn to do design of experiments to move your investigations along faster with more concrete results that are repeatable.  What science taught as impossible 50 years ago is now common place. 

Good for you Hall. I think the expression is, "You're the man" 

If anyone can succeed in replicating Mylow it's you in my opinion.

I echo this sentiment...

"While I'm an engineer I have learned over the years that our understanding of science, regardless of the area, has many flaws and many things are assumed and not proven.  There are even a number of laws that have grown from theories but are not proven and in fact have proofs that show the opposite."

.........entirely.

I too am an engineer/scientist and empathise completely with your insights. I also know how incredibly difficult it is to bring other people along. One's explanations are never met with reasoned arguments but with a deafening silence.

[sterlinga]

I don't blame Mylow for taking all his videos down.  I bet he's pretty disgusted with the dogpile treatment he's gotten today at Overunity.com.

Below is an email I received tonight from Mylow at 11:27 PM.  I've edited the spelling, punctuation, and grammar.  He was responding to an email I forwarded to him in which a radio station was asking for an interview.

His statement that "this is a fake", in my estimation, is not being spoken sincerely, but as a way of backing away from all the heat he's been subjected to by posting his videos and making his claims.  He did not expect for it to be received so coolly by so many in the Free Energy community.  In the very same breath he makes it clear that he believes these things are real, and that we will all see some day soon.

Here's his message:

Dear friend,

After great consideration I will not be involved in this type of work anymore, nor will I want to talk about it any more. I tried to be as much of a friend to all but got too overwhelmed; and considering what had happened, this wasn't meant to be.  I will say that new technology is out there and in the form of simple minded people like me; but it has been down-played by the same people that call themselves free energy buffs.

No one would have stood for this type of treatment from fallow inventors.

I hope that everyone learns from my mistakes.  Too bad that I didn't get the point across to all.

I am sorry but this was a fake, and I will no longer talk about it.  I think that Howard had a secret, and that secret was a simple one.  Please forgive me if I misled anyone in thinking that this can be made.

Not even a video can prove things like.

You have been a good friend to me and [Pmmtester] also.  But things got out of hand, and you know what I mean.

I feel that the threat of negative comments will always kill free energy and all types of new ideas.  That's why I feel this way.

Please understand.  Wish me luck, for I will be getting in to bigger things from this on a private basis.

Open source is the best and always will be.

I will never give up, and magnetic motors will be a reality soon.

So my answer is no cant talk about it.

Please forgive me.

=== END OF MYLOW'S EMAIL ===

[sterlinga]

Posted a new video just now .. which kind of speaks for itself . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5YcUXyM0

Bcc to Mylow

Queue's set up is very close to yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5YcUXyM0

He can't seem to get it to go.

Perhaps you might have some input for him?

At the end he gives a view of his stator magnet.  I notice that it has "hips".  I'm guessing that this is something to be avoided, and that straight legs or stretched legs are preferred. 

I would recommend that he replace his stator magnet with the one I sent you, that you used in your latest video:
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicohoursehouse.htm - HS811N

Sterling

posted at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replications#Queue

[capthook]

I don't blame Mylow for taking all his videos down.  I bet he's pretty disgusted with the dogpile treatment he's gotten today at Overunity.com.
Sterling

Much of what you call "dogpile treatment" and other such comments you have made towards overunity.com and it's members is pushing it a bit far IMO.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. 
To doubt and question is healthy and required.
And while a small fraction might be construed as bashing, most of the scepticism has been in line, and - still to this day over the centuries - warranted and accurate.

While the information/details presented by Mylow was interesting, the evidence was lacking to truly determine it's viability one way or the other.

Back on page 2 of this thread I expressed that this was a somewhat novel design and warranted further investigation.
But as the story has unfolded, the tale has progressively turned towards the negative IMO.

WHO REALLY BELIEVES MIB showed up at his house and stole his materials only to later return them?  This portion of his story is enough to cast serious doubt on his other claims.
Then there is the resistance to have anyone examine his device, and the videos that somehow show just enough of this or that, but never the full story etc. etc.

The effort and assistance you have provided in this endevour and so many others deserves high praise.  Thanks for what you do.

However, on this project, there have been many assumptions and opinions based on high expectations without the accompanying evidence.