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[capthook]

Since I deal with this every day in my business, I just wanted to caution folks to check their laws before recoding anyone.
Bill

This deals with recording PHONE calls ONLY, not recording live/in-person stuff.   

[spinner]

The video you speak of says the 'stator' magnet gets a dozen or more degrees below ambient?, Please. Makes no difference if 'F or 'C are involved you have a magnet of some unknown heat capacity, mounted on the Al tubing via some method with the heat capacity of the tubing and then a non specified ambient temp. To get a dozen degrees drop would be next to impossible in the construction of this device.

Maybe some simple calculations should be done by the believers;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer
Newton's law of cooling

would be a good basic place to understand silliness of this statement.

True, this "cooling of a stator magnet" claim was really ... ****... silly..
Where did MyLow heard about this stuff? As I understand, he was using an iron magnet (where, for instance, eddy current heating is much much greater effect than a domain relaxation cooling is...).
I'd say the magnets don't get warmer, either...

Magnetocaloric effect is considered one of a possible ways for future cooling techniques, although it's usefulness is still very poor and limited...

When this "perpetual motor" gets replicated, someone could try chilling a beer can placed next to the stator magnet... If it gets colder for 15 degrees, I would like to make one for myself, too....

That is, If the building plans would not be too expensive or complicated...
Cheers!

[Lakes]

What happened to Open Source Sterling???

I think its disgusting that you are attempting to make money out of this, make it a free download!!

[Pirate88179]

This deals with recording PHONE calls ONLY, not recording live/in-person stuff.   

The info on that site deals with recording phone calls BUT, read the actual laws of the states that are 2 party, they specifically refer to recording of conversations which would include phone calls (you are correct) AND any other conversations such as in person conversations.  Even the eavesdropping and wiretapping laws can apply to in person recorded conversations.  I am not an attorney and therefore do not give legal advice.  The laws are easy to look up for one's own states and I was only suggesting folks be a little familiar with their laws in their states before committing a possible crime.  I record a lot of in-person interviews and the lawyers that hire me make sure I am aware of the laws prior to proceeding with the case.  I have recorded several folks covertly (in person) without their knowledge as it is legal (as I have been told by many attorney clients) to do so.  It all boils down to if a person has a "reasonable expectation of privacy".  If two folks are talking loudly in a crowded mall (2 party state) and you record them, you are probably ok as they should not expect others to over hear them.  Anyway, the real info is out there, I just wanted to raise the issue to protect my fellow experimenters and did not intend to get this far off-topic.

@ Paul:

If it is in your brain, I suppose there is not much anyone can do about it.

Bill

[bhaas]

Broli:

There is one problem with your suggestion.  As in Mylow's case, he is in IL and that is against the law to do so.  That would be a serious offense and could easily lead to jail time and other major legal problems he does not need.  There are 12 states that require both/all parties knowledge and consent to being recorded and IL is one of them.  The majority of states only require 1 party (which can be you) to consent.

This is just advice for folks to check out the law of their state before possibly committing a very serious crime that can bring serious jail time along with it.  There are many places to check your state's laws on the net.  Here is but one of them:

http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.recordlaw.html

Since I deal with this every day in my business, I just wanted to caution folks to check their laws before recoding anyone.

Bill

Federal Law (CFR) Code of federal regulations. Key word "CODE" (Not Law)
Only applies to Federal territories.

The states are not federal territories.

The only LAW I understand is Common Law. Can't have both.

I'll record anyone anytime I please. But I've never had a need to.

Sovereign American

[wattsup]

Regarding the temperature of the magnets, that could simply be explained by the rotors being glued to the aluminum plate which acts as a heat sink or heat exchanger drawing heat from the room and heating somewhat the rotors. The stator is cooler because it is both not on the plate and also it is continuously fanned by the passing rotors.

[lostcauses10x]

Get a t shirt and signs saying your are under video and audio surveillance.  Put the sign at the entrance to your door. Were the t shirt. In most states you have given fair warning, and well if they talk after that.... Again as stated check your local laws. Best to check federal laws also.

The info on that site deals with recording phone calls BUT, read the actual laws of the states that are 2 party, they specifically refer to recording of conversations which would include phone calls (you are correct) AND any other conversations such as in person conversations.  Even the eavesdropping and wiretapping laws can apply to in person recorded conversations.  I am not an attorney and therefore do not give legal advice.  The laws are easy to look up for one's own states and I was only suggesting folks be a little familiar with their laws in their states before committing a possible crime.  I record a lot of in-person interviews and the lawyers that hire me make sure I am aware of the laws prior to proceeding with the case.  I have recorded several folks covertly (in person) without their knowledge as it is legal (as I have been told by many attorney clients) to do so.  It all boils down to if a person has a "reasonable expectation of privacy".  If two folks are talking loudly in a crowded mall (2 party state) and you record them, you are probably ok as they should not expect others to over hear them.  Anyway, the real info is out there, I just wanted to raise the issue to protect my fellow experimenters and did not intend to get this far off-topic.

@ Paul:

If it is in your brain, I suppose there is not much anyone can do about it.

Bill

[PaulLowrance]

Regarding the temperature of the magnets, that could simply be explained by the rotors being glued to the aluminum plate which acts as a heat sink or heat exchanger drawing heat from the room and heating somewhat the rotors. The stator is cooler because it is both not on the plate and also it is continuously fanned by the passing rotors.

There's no way that will explain it. I believe he said the room temp was 68F, and the stator PM was 55F. That's a huge temp gradient. How could you explain that? Maybe if the metal bar had dry ice placed on it.

PL

[hartiberlin]

To ALL,
I did send José (Mylow) 2 emails, after he announced in a comment section
of his last video, that it was a fake.

Here you can see his replies.

=====

Re: Hi Mylow (Jose) , will you finally come clear ?

JOSE
to Stefan:

   

dear friend you are right wanted to create more research into the
Howard Johnson technology...




----- Original Message ----
From: Stefan Hartmann <hartiberlin@gmx.de>
To: JOSE <m.....@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 6:05:28 PM
Subject: Re: Hi Mylow (Jose) , will you finally come clear ?

Well Jose,
I would suggest to come clear and post with your M....
account at overunity.com
at least some kind of excuse, just say,
you wanted to create more research into the
Howard Johnson technology...

This would be the best fair thing to do I guess .
Do you agree ?

Regards, Stefan.


JOSE  wrote:
> yes it was intertianing wasnt it so.well its a fake cant talk about it.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Stefan Hartmann <hartiberlin@gmx.de>
> To: m......@yahoo.com; m......@comcast.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 5:53:02 PM
> Subject: Hi Mylow (Jose) , will you finally come clear ?
>
> Hi Jose ( Mylow ),
> will you finally come clear ?
>
> Please read this:
>
> http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168394#msg168394
>
> Many thanks for the entertaining past weeks
> with your "magnet motor research"
>
> Regards, Stefan.

[spinner]

Regarding the temperature of the magnets, that could simply be explained by the rotors being glued to the aluminum plate which acts as a heat sink or heat exchanger drawing heat from the room and heating somewhat the rotors. The stator is cooler because it is both not on the plate and also it is continuously fanned by the passing rotors.

If you think about the heat transfers in different materials, heat sink can draw/emit heat as long as there's heat difference.
Blowing air at the stator magnet would not make him colder than surroundings..

Cooling of that magnet was simply a .... made by Mr. MyLow.
Cheers!

[lostcauses10x]

hartiberlin
 What would you expect him to say?
The method he has used will leave the question of was it real, or was it fake for a long time. Hell he may have turned himself into a legend.

[hartiberlin]

Hi Clanzer and to all builders,
if you try further with your setup,
I would recommend using and playing with iron core pieces on the rotor magnets and on the stator magnets, as in my experience from my old Howard Johnson trials I did 20 years ago,
only something with 90 degrees iron core pieces might work.

Have again a look into this early TOMI setup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5mYm5nO5Fw

Okay, this was not the Howard Johnson setup but later,
when we discovered 90 degrees iron core pieces, which
guide the flux asymmetrically away from the sticking points...

Also the right thickness of an iron core has some kind of magnetic
viscosity buffering the flux, so just magnets on magnets alone
will probably never work, if you don´t use pure iron magnets...

Too bad, I never had the time to finish this work and was sidetracked..


Regards, Stefan.

[canam101]

Is this next? Pinestone, on the steorn forum just said:

Let me clarify my statements for the paranoid trolls:

My bro-in-law makes hydrogen. He's generating it with simple electrolysis. He uses a 12 volt motorcycle battery to power the conversion. His nearest neighbor is about 1/2 mile away. He's not using it to power his home.

He charges his batteries with a dc pulse obtained from a diode/coil pickup mounted near a spinning disk with magnets mounted around its' circumference.

That's all I claim or will say about this topic. I regret saying anything at all.

Although he regrets letting the cat out of the bag, he might change his mind if asked and get the forum connected. Worth attempting?

[Pirate88179]

@ Stefan and all:

Here is a youtube vid. of a guy that claims to have solved magnetic shielding and created a monoplole:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncViWzp-Jc&feature=email

He has not revealed his method yet but says he will soon.  I don't know if there is anything to this or not but, if it is real and IF it really works, then this might make some of our earlier attempts more possible.

Bill

[chrisC]

Is this next? Pinestone, on the steorn forum just said:

Although he regrets letting the cat out of the bag, he might change his mind if asked and get the forum connected. Worth attempting?

Well, only time and successful replications will allow us to know whether Mylow did what he had to do to escape these incessant attacks from the know it all and 'brainy' people the likes of PL etc. Wait and see... and then perhaps some people may think they're only perceived to be smart looking at the mirror!

cheers
chrisC