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[attack duck]

It's obvious to me now that Mylow is a trooper and is totally exonerated for any of his accused sins.
Earlier reported degaussings with HJ's replications confirm this as there is no way anyone would
include a depleting stator magnet into their hoax.  Think about it, would you?  Mylow never claimed OU but simply presented his findings to the best of his ability.  No insult to Mylow, but he's just not sophisticated enough to pull off such an elaborate hoax.  Nor did he have the time to do the exacting video editing as Plengo asserts.  He may have accidentally fudged a few things such as the slanted
table top but he seemed genuinely interested in dealing with legitimate criticism.

On the other hand, nothing he has shown proves he has an overunity device.  That could take years
to decide definitively or may never occur at all.  So keep up the great work Mylow!

[chrisC]

Havent tried industrial velcro, so dont know if it is strong enough, but it seems like either that or a circular lever operated clamp mounted around the edge of the rotor would allow very fast and easy rotor magnet placement changes

@ nyctuber

I actually did try both velcro and 3M double sided sticky tape. The Velcro option made it easier to pull out and stick back but because they don't hold the magnets firmly in place, a strong magnetic field will twist some magnets to some offset and thereby whatever you tried to align is no longer valid. Same thing with the 3M double sided tape, which worked surprisingly well until you need to make changes more than a couple of times!
Finally, I decided to use super glue. Noting bonds that well but of course when you're not sure of the final position, it can be messy and difficult to remove!

cheers
chrisC

[Omnibus]

It's obvious to me now that Mylow is a trooper and is totally exonerated for any of his accused sins.
Earlier reported degaussings with HJ's replications confirm this as there is no way anyone would
include a depleting stator magnet into their hoax.  Think about it, would you?  Mylow never claimed OU but simply presented his findings to the best of his ability.  No insult to Mylow, but he's just not sophisticated enough to pull off such an elaborate hoax.  Nor did he have the time to do the exacting video editing as Plengo asserts.  He may have accidentally fudged a few things such as the slanted
table top but he seemed genuinely interested in dealing with legitimate criticism.

On the other hand, nothing he has shown proves he has an overunity device.  That could take years
to decide definitively or may never occur at all.  So keep up the great work Mylow!

That's incorrect. As I've already said many times, if what Mylow shows is real, that is, if the rotor had started from standstill and upon releasing had made these many rotations on its own as in the videos, degaussing notwithstanding, then this is a genuine OU device. It doesn't matter what Mylow claims. What matters is what his device demonstrates, if it indeed does. Thus, the only question of any concern whatsoever is whether or not this motor really does what is claimed it does. Therefore, all the focus should be on the replication on the device and I'm calling on the moderator to delete any speculations as to whether or not this device is OU, especially since it's been established firmly that, if real, it is OU beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[nyctuber]

@ nyctuber

I actually did try both velcro and 3M double sided sticky tape. The Velcro option made it easier to pull out and stick back but because they don't hold the magnets firmly in place, a strong magnetic field will twist some magnets to some offset and thereby whatever you tried to align is no longer valid. Same thing with the 3M double sided tape, which worked surprisingly well until you need to make changes more than a couple of times!
Finally, I decided to use super glue. Noting bonds that well but of course when you're not sure of the final position, it can be messy and difficult to remove!

cheers
chrisC

Was it industrial velcro? It's 50% stronger than regular velcro

[chrisC]

Was it industrial velcro? It's 50% stronger than regular velcro

I don't know. The box said: 3' (feet) by 1" (inch). Ultra Thin. Superior strength etc.
I think the problem is NOT the inability to stick and hold as much as it is the problem of the relative small amount of surface area of the magnets that needed to be stuck together that is the problem. The small area makes it very difficult to correctly position the fibrous part of the Velcro correctly. Perhaps I am not a good handyman!

cheers
chrisC

[Grimer]

Thanks,

Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.
Thanks,

The unstated implication of your data is that the rotor is slowing down and that while the camera panned away to the bed Mylow gave it a surreptitious nudge.

Fortunately such an interpretation won't wash.

Clearly your assessment of where a rotation begins and ends is suspect. This is shown by the large change between 73 frames and 80 frames.

Also we would have to suppose that Mylo was capable of nudging the rotor by just the right amount which is totally unbelievable. Even if he had an accurate rpm meter he would have a hell a job to get a slowing rotor back to around 70 when he refocused the camera on the rotor.

The fact that we get back to the order of 70 frames after 368 frames not usable, proves to me that the rotor is going at a constant speed and that Mylow is completely vindicated by your data.

I feel you may have approached the analysis with preconceived ideas. But thanks for the data. Nobody could say it was produced by someone prejudiced in Mylow's favour.

[Tracker]

Hi,

I'm still waiting for my magnets to come.
I have some idea to try by those brave replicators, out there.
Especially CLaNZeR, because I've spotted very nice Halbach setup, that he may still have around.
(BTW. Sorry CLaNZeR for copying some of your pictures)

Please have a look if there will be any effect if replacing stator magnet with Halbach bar array.
Link to CLaNZeR array here: http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=HA

Jpeg illustrating the idea attached.

best regards,

Tracker

[wings]

Weird speculation:

The transient is important, even in a moving magnet there is induced current.

This current cancel the magnetic effect and increase the temperature also by the magneto_caloric effect.
Then the magnet is like a metallic objet – a piece of metal – it doesn’t resist to the rotation.
The temperature then will reduce fast the magnet increase is power and now the effect is to push forward the wheel.

The speed is function of this transient and cannot increase too much, then the rotational speed remains constant, the side effect is the reducing of magnet temperature.

The work is obtained by subtracting the ambient energy.

[LightRider]

Analysis of Mylow video #6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page)
Note # 1 most of the movie is filmed very close and with a moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 14563 frames
Note # 3 the rotor run at three different time (time where the data are usable).
Note # 4 there are 48 full laps filmed and used as data.
Note # 5 The slowest lap filmed 167 frames. The fastest lap filmed 59 frames. The average lap filmed is about 85 frames.
Note # 5 there are different accelerations zones during the video (and decelerations)... drawing in attachement.
Note # 6 the acceleration and deceleration are nonlinear.

Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.

Thanks,

[LightRider]

@LightRider, thanks for the interesting graph. Would it b possible to re-post it with larger the numbers on the abscissa and the ordinate. The way they are now are completely illegible. Thanks.

** re-post with larger numbers on the abscissa and the ordinate**

Analysis of the last Mylow video #41 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk&feature=channel_page)
Note # 1 the engine make 98 laps.
Note # 2 there are 7 different accelerations during the video (and decelerations)... drawing in attachement.
Note # 3, the acceleration and deceleration are nonlinear.
Thanks

[LightRider]

** re-post with this time a graphic**

Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.

Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.

** correction in the graphic: "Rotor outside the scope of the camera" instead "Rotor is Stop", Thanks **

Thanks,

[plengo]

It's obvious to me now that Mylow is a trooper and is totally exonerated for any of his accused sins.
Earlier reported degaussings with HJ's replications confirm this as there is no way anyone would
include a depleting stator magnet into their hoax.  Think about it, would you?  Mylow never claimed OU but simply presented his findings to the best of his ability.  No insult to Mylow, but he's just not sophisticated enough to pull off such an elaborate hoax.  Nor did he have the time to do the exacting video editing as Plengo asserts.  He may have accidentally fudged a few things such as the slanted
table top but he seemed genuinely interested in dealing with legitimate criticism.

On the other hand, nothing he has shown proves he has an overunity device.  That could take years
to decide definitively or may never occur at all.  So keep up the great work Mylow!

you got your fact totally wrong. I NEVER stated he manipulated the video or the audio. Somebody else did.

Fausto.

[plengo]

** re-post with this time a graphic**

Analysis of Mylow video #7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PZ18uTPCg)
Note # 1 moving video camera.
Note # 2 the movie have 1612 frames (1 frames = aprox. 0.04s)
Note # 3 Frames 0 to 641 not usable
Note # 4 Frames 642 to 966 the rotor make 4 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 67 frames, 2 rev. in 70 frames, 3 rev. in 73 frames and 4 rev. in 80 frames. **So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 5 Frames 967 to 1335 Mylow turn around and show his bed for aprox.368 frames. not usable.
Note # 6 Frames 1336 to 1472 the rotor make 2 full revolutions : 1 rev. in 66 frames and 2 rev. in 70 frames.**So each round takes longer (deceleration).
Note # 7 While the camera caught the bed, the revolutions of the engine accelerated.

Important note, the data include a margin of error and are based on some estimates. These tests are for fun only and are in no way a rigorous scientific approach.

** correction in the graphic: "Rotor outside the scope of the camera" instead "Rotor is Stop", Thanks **

Thanks,

Amazing. If this beautiful analysis is right (which I assume is) is not that strange that the motor accelerates when the camera is not showing the motor???

Fausto.

[capthook]

No comments on the rpms STATED by Mylow and the rpms SHOWN?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168528#msg168528

140 RPMs is quite fast!?!

(A) 77 RPM : Mylow claims it has run 26 hours continuous in one setting. Mylow says he has seen some deceleration over time.  It was rotating at around 30 rpm in the first fifteen seconds.  After about five minutes, it was spinning at 77 rpm.  He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.
(B) 140 RPM : Mylow claims it ran 18 hours @ 140 rpm / it had been running around 18 hours continuous, with no apparent slow-down.
(C) 10 RPM : Last video: RPM approx. = 10 rpm
(Initial speed of rotation about 7.2 secs. After noise in 12/13thsec it is about 4.5 secs. At the end of video about 6.5secs.)
(D) All other 'running' videos similar to (C)
Comments:
- Mylow has claimed upper RPMs of 77 and 140, but has only ever shown approx. 10 RPMs
- Mylow has claimed 18 hr. run times with no apparent slow-down, but the latest video shows a significant slow-down over only a few min.
- (A) and (B) would appear to be very questionable and even fabricated data

- - -

The graph below is taken from LightRider's video #41 graph.

This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video.  The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel. (with the data not perfectly smooth because of youtube compression?)
This would indicate to me that Mylow is doing something off-camera for the first 4:30 to maintain rotation (or even a video loop etc), but once he starts talking, he is unable to continue whatever he was doing to maintain rotation.

Why would it spin at a relatively constant rate (with a few dips, possibly showing where the rotor is spun up by compressed air?) for the first 4:30, then suddenly drop off to an apparant flywheel rundown for the 2nd half when he starts talking? (from ~4:30 on, it IS a flywheel rundown IMO)
(and NO, magnet degaussing would not explain this)

[plengo]

No comments on the rpms STATED by Mylow and the rpms SHOWN?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg168528#msg168528

140 RPMs is quite fast!?!

(A) 77 RPM : Mylow claims it has run 26 hours continuous in one setting. Mylow says he has seen some deceleration over time.  It was rotating at around 30 rpm in the first fifteen seconds.  After about five minutes, it was spinning at 77 rpm.  He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.
(B) 140 RPM : Mylow claims it ran 18 hours @ 140 rpm / it had been running around 18 hours continuous, with no apparent slow-down.
(C) 10 RPM : Last video: RPM approx. = 10 rpm
(Initial speed of rotation about 7.2 secs. After noise in 12/13thsec it is about 4.5 secs. At the end of video about 6.5secs.)
(D) All other 'running' videos similar to (C)
Comments:
- Mylow has claimed upper RPMs of 77 and 140, but has only ever shown approx. 10 RPMs
- Mylow has claimed 18 hr. run times with no apparent slow-down, but the latest video shows a significant slow-down over only a few min.
- (A) and (B) would appear to be very questionable and even fabricated data

- - -

The graph below is taken from LightRider's video #41 graph.

This section is when Mylow begins talking on the video.  The graph appears to show nothing more than a rundown of a flywheel. (with the data not perfectly smooth because of youtube compression?)
This would indicate to me that Mylow is doing something off-camera for the first 4:30 to maintain rotation (or even a video loop etc), but once he starts talking, he is unable to continue whatever he was doing to maintain rotation.

Why would it spin at a relatively constant rate for the first 4:30, then suddenly drop off to an apparant flywheel rundown for the 2nd half when he starts talking? (it IS a flywheel rundown IMO)
(and NO, magnet degaussing would not explain this)

That is exactly what I was trying to tell everyone when i did the first analysis of his 7 minutes video and the sound. Thank you, you did a great job explaining in plain terms.

And Omnibus said I took my observations from "thin air". Is that right Ominbus? Dont you think that the DATA is demonstrating beyond any doubt that the only logical conclusion is that this wheel spinning is really not spinning on its own?

Is it acceptable to conclude it is very possible and likely that the wheel is spinning but some other means than the magnetic fields?

If not, what possible reasonable explanation would you propose? Again, even if Mylow has a real thing, all he demonstrated so far FORCEs us to think it is lacking evidence to eliminate doubt.

I wish more than anyone this was not a hoax but the real thing! But my mind does not allow me to accept that yet.

Fausto.