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[z.monkey]

And the micro particles of govenment grade nano-thermite could be from what?

homeless people carrying sacks of said material...

[jibbguy]

You are the conspiracy theorist here in this is case, utilitarian... Not me....

You are expecting us to believe in a "terrorist" CONSPIRACY, masterminded by a deathly sick guy living in a cave.

The absurdity of the government's story goes beyond belief in reptilian aliens... because here, we have the ability to see this for ourselves. And suspension of belief because "it just can't be", is about as smart as insisting the earth is flat because the Inquisition Priests say so.... Bldg 7 fell for no good reason; straight down into its own footprint, at free fall speeds. It wasn't hit by a plane. Anyone can watch the vids for themselves, and many folks will come to the conclusion that this was a controlled demolition... And no amount of B-S nonsense will talk them out of what their eyes have shown them.   

This latest findings of government-grade Thermite all over the area just ices the case. 

Yes i deliberately omitted the hijackers from the passenger numbers, lol... Because the idea is to see what the actual passenger load was; and examine why it was so small.  Hijackers are an artificial increase in numbers...

....Or did United and American hire "arab terrorists" to fly around to keep the numbers up lol ?

But you can consider that a major win for your arguments if it makes you feel better, hehehe.  You need it.

And i don't have to do a damned thing... Especially explain every minutia of what happened to someone who is getting more desperate and only hoping for a "slip-up" to turn into a "major win" like "the passenger lists don't include the hijackers" LOL.

I don't give a fuc if you or MH agree with me or not....

It is the others here who are reading this, weighing it for themselves, and deciding to look into this carefully and decide for themselves.... That matters. And my experience is that there will be people who read this that will take the time to study it for themselves. And millions already have... And agree with me. Arguments like yours are not going to stop that.

And if you don't like that, too friggin bad; because theres nothing you can can do about it..... As the arguments we have seen so far from the "government's story  conspiracy nuts"  have shown

You try that "conspiracy theorist" crap with me, and you will be eating it.

Oh, you just did, didn't you lol? Bon Apetit.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Possibly a major oops here guys.

A big mea stupa might be in our future.

It turns out Building 7 was perfectly aligned with the last tower to fall and the Great Pyramid of Giza.

D'oh...how could we have missed it...for all these years ?

I wonder what pyramid the 2 jet engines on the plane that made the round hole in the Pentagon were aligned with ?

Regards...

 

[utilitarian]

You are the conspiracy theorist here in this is case, utilitarian... Not me....

You are expecting us to believe in a "terrorist" CONSPIRACY, masterminded by a deathly sick guy living in a cave.

The absurdity of the government's story goes beyond belief in reptilian aliens... because here, we have the ability to see this for ourselves. And suspension of belief because "it just can't be", is about as smart as insisting the earth is flat because the Inquisition Priests say so.... Bldg 7 fell for no good reason; straight down into its own footprint, at free fall speeds. It wasn't hit by a plane. Anyone can watch the vids for themselves, and many folks will come to the conclusion that this was a controlled demolition... And no amount of B-S nonsense will talk them out of what their eyes have shown them.   

This latest findings of government-grade Thermite all over the area just ices the case. 

Yes i deliberately omitted the hijackers from the passenger numbers, lol... Because the idea is to see what the actual passenger load was; and examine why it was so small.  Hijackers are an artificial increase in numbers...

....Or did United and American hire "arab terrorists" to fly around to keep the numbers up lol ?

But you can consider that a major win for your arguments if it makes you feel better, hehehe.  You need it.

And i don't have to do a damned thing... Especially explain every minutia of what happened to someone who is getting more desperate and only hoping for a "slip-up" to turn into a "major win" like "the passenger lists don't include the hijackers" LOL.

I don't give a fuc if you or MH agree with me or not....

It is the others here who are reading this, weighing it for themselves, and deciding to look into this carefully and decide for themselves.... That matters. And my experience is that there will be people who read this that will take the time to study it for themselves. And millions already have... And agree with me. Arguments like yours are not going to stop that.

And if you don't like that, too friggin bad; because theres nothing you can can do about it..... As the arguments we have seen so far from the "government's story  conspiracy nuts"  have shown

You try that "conspiracy theorist" crap with me, and you will be eating it.

Oh, you just did, didn't you lol? Bon Apetit.

So I take that to mean you are unable of coming up with a cohesive theory of how all this happened?  I would love to hear your version, so I could poke holes in it, like you guys do with the official story.

[Cap-Z-ro]

*pokes huge holes with nano-thermite*

[utilitarian]

*pokes huge holes with nano-thermite*

OK, have you actually read this report you cited?  Seriously, have you read it?  Also I will add it is not exactly making shockwaves.  A Google news search showed exactly one article on it, the one you cited.

You should read this criticism, which cites many passages:

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html

Some key parts (excerpts in bold):

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Here's the abstract from the report if you don't feel like downloading/reading the entire thing (which I could hardly blame you for):

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

It's hard for me...or anyone with a modicum of common sense to take this report seriously when the items they based this report on were given to them by residents of Lower Manhattan almost SIX YEARS after the Towers fell. These samples were not kept in sterile environments by any stretch of the imagination and were handled by ordinary, non-scientist New Yorkers.

Referring to these samples, the report itself states the following:

The resulting spectrum, shown in Fig. (14), produced the expected peaks for Fe, Si, Al, O, and C. Other peaks included calcium, sul-fur, zinc, chromium and potassium. The occurrence of these elements could be attributed to surface contamination due to the fact that the analysis was performed on the as-collected surface of the red layer. The large Ca and S peaks may be due to contamination with gypsum from the pulverized wall-
board material in the buildings.

So by their own admission the scientists are saying that in SIX YEARS that the samples, which were hanging out in lay peoples' homes they MAY have been contaminated. Wow, really?

The paper also never actually says that material in question is nanothermite or even regular thermite...rather that...

These observations reminded us of nano-thermite fabricated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and elsewhere

So it REMINDED them of a substance that no one aside for 9/11 conspiracy people apparently knows anything about. Can they conclusively say exactly what it is? Well...

We would like to make detailed comparisons of the red chips with known super-thermite composites, along with comparisons of the products following ignition, but there are many forms of this high-tech thermite, and this comparison must wait for a future study.

...not really. You see they can't really get their hands on this nano stuff because we're not sure it really exists. Ok. And further...

All these data suggest that the thermitic material found in the WTC dust is a form of nano-thermite

How incredibly conclusive! I have some suggestions of my own. Well at least they're not jumping to any conclusions right?

We make no at-tempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present until more is learned about the red material and especially about the nature of the organic material it contains.

Why bother making an attempt to actually identify this substance, right?

Well that's ok, at least we know for sure it's not paint chips right? Well of course not! Because...

we have shown that the red material contains both elemental aluminum and iron oxide

Oh. I see. There's iron oxide (rust) and aluminum in this mixture. There's no WAY that rust or aluminum could possibly have gotten into the Twin Towers. Except of course that the Twin Towers had tons upon tons of aluminum and every building in history that had iron it also had oxidized iron (rust) in it.

[jibbguy]

Here is a review of the paper (with the actual paper's PDF available for download)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13049

Uniform 100 nanometer particles of iron oxide, bonded regularly to tiny layers of aluminium... Is not a "natural" occurrence. This extremely small size of iron particle is the "Nano" part of the name, which allows it to ignite at a lower temp. This material was obviously specifically manufactured. And from the calorimetric tests, it performs as nano-thermite.

The 4 people who collected the dust samples in Manhattan listed the circumstances, gave their names, and signed dispositions. Don't EVEN try to question their honesty unless you are willing to do the same.

[Cap-Z-ro]

As z pointed out earlier, it was the homeless people from Rudy Guiliani's 'Thermite Tuesday' Program who were responsible for all that nano-thermite everywhere...and it was probably 4 of them who provided/sold the nano-thermite samples to the 3 scientists.

And you can bet uncle Rudy has only the best blow/thermite.

Regards...

[utilitarian]

As z pointed out earlier, it was the homeless people from Rudy Guiliani's 'Thermite Tuesday' Program who were responsible for all that nano-thermite everywhere...and it was probably 4 of them who provided/sold the nano-thermite samples to the 3 scientists.

And you can bet uncle Rudy has only the best blow/thermite.

Regards...

I tell you what, let's revisit this topic when any publication maybe slightly more reputable than some podunk outfit in Florida picks this up and devotes more than say, 2 paragraphs to it.  I am still waiting for the "shockwave" from this news story to resonate.

[Cloxxki]

What is the scientific explanation for a large building, which collapses through fire, to sink in its footprint? Too heavy to deviated from it's vertical axis? Too strong, in places where it didn't fail due to fire, and only due to stress? Why does it approach free fall speed when it's so strong?

This RonMossad is from Israeli background. I am not sure this makes him the foremost independant critic to analyse the 911 truth, it being supposed purpetrated by the people still being surpressed by the Jews' colonization of the most fertile strip of land in the Arab world.
I'd be happy to tae seriously his take on other world problems, but stating an upcoming Israeli holiday in the same blog post as critisizing an independant 911 investigation...I'm not falling for that.
The Jews suffered greatly in the second world war, but that didn't make them holy. And they for sure have not used it as a starting point to act holy against people of other beliefs. They are not a grain better than USA founders, invading a country, raising a flag, killing the local inhabitants.
USA-Isreal-Arabs. The latter have been the victims in this triangle, until very recently.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Further to cloxxki's post...we are expected to take seriously a web site with masthead reading. "The whole world is against us, nevermind we'll overcome"

I mean, come on now ??

Especially when 5 Mossad agents somehow knew when the 9/11 attack would occur and had a film crew there...but were released without question ??

Another point...The jewish people were hoodwinked and their religion long ago hijacked by fascist regime, same as thwe US.

The state of 'Israel' was created by these usurpers, and horrific acts perpetrated under a jewish banner...same as the US.

This is all one global outfit at work here, creating the illusion of antagonism between them, in order to hide their plan of global dominance...over 'we the people'.

Regards...

[utilitarian]

What is the scientific explanation for a large building, which collapses through fire, to sink in its footprint? Too heavy to deviated from it's vertical axis? Too strong, in places where it didn't fail due to fire, and only due to stress? Why does it approach free fall speed when it's so strong?

This RonMossad is from Israeli background. I am not sure this makes him the foremost independant critic to analyse the 911 truth, it being supposed purpetrated by the people still being surpressed by the Jews' colonization of the most fertile strip of land in the Arab world.
I'd be happy to tae seriously his take on other world problems, but stating an upcoming Israeli holiday in the same blog post as critisizing an independant 911 investigation...I'm not falling for that.
The Jews suffered greatly in the second world war, but that didn't make them holy. And they for sure have not used it as a starting point to act holy against people of other beliefs. They are not a grain better than USA founders, invading a country, raising a flag, killing the local inhabitants.
USA-Isreal-Arabs. The latter have been the victims in this triangle, until very recently.

The criticisms speak for themselves.  Either they make sense or they don't.  The author may or may not have slanted views on other subjects, but I do not see how that is relevant here.

I think the criticisms are valid, and the paper's conclusions are weak.  What we have here are "suggestions" of a material that "reminds" the researcher of nano-thermite.  Sorry, but that is not exactly a strong endorsement.  And the fact that not a single other publication (except one French website which I cannot assess the qualificatins of) has picked up this story (do a Google News search for "Niels Harrit" if you think I am incorrect), speaks volumes about how credible this is in the world community.

Therefore, since this paper is allegedly "peer reviewed", I am happy to wait to see some of these reviews, since I am no expert in nano particles myself, and neither I suspect is anyone here.  Let's read some expert peer reviews and see what they say.

[Cloxxki]

I'm all for good evidence. It seems to be lacking, or clouded by doubt, from both sides of the story.

In any case, such non-nano thermite particles, if not prior documented, are well worth investigating, for various applications. Interesting that random NYC residents should be the source for them.

[Cap-Z-ro]

The people carrying thermite was just a running gag between me and z, cloxx.

However the presence any explosive device in that quantity represents only the capstone of incriminating evidence on the event, which includes NYC firemen's reports of numerous explosions.

Whether it be nano or not, the thermite remains in the middle of the room.

Regards...

[Azorus]

I didn't see anyone mention the steel building that stood up to the nuclear blast.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vxo5ff5nwhQ/RtZXKVMQYqI/AAAAAAAAAO4/H26-mbp6FKs/s400/hiroshima,%2Bdome%2Bbuilding%2B2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://batesinjapan.blogspot.com/2007/08/hiroshima.html&usg=__YclItk8MNQhLiMp1RDeKi1yCivs=&h=267&w=400&sz=21&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=BsXxA_H48wv0NM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpictures%2Bof%2Bbuildings%2Bafter%2Bnuclear%2Bblast%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
pictured on page above.

And no one explained if it wasn't Nano thermite that took the towers out, how did all that liquid steel end up in the basement.