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[IotaYodi]

This needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Its only one group. Plus the hacker themselves may have changed some of it. It all needs to be looked at what they did. But to say its a huge bombshell and all global warming data is a scam is nothing but sensationalism. You have already tried and convicted them without a trial.
 A much bigger concern for me is natural resources and the population explosion. In the future dont discount genocide by those country's in control of the resources. 

[Cap-Z-ro]

And the same to you...read "ALL" of the presented material...or are you a purposly cherry picking ?

There are many pegs on the hatstand...

Regards...

[Azorus]

While climate change is real.  The real question is it man made?  What the hackers exposed is evidence that this group of "scientist" where altering data for there purpose.  Whichever side of the issue you are on you should be Infuriated that a group of "professionals" posted fraud onto the world and are getting away with it.

[Pirate88179]

Actually, the correct term is "Man Caused Global Warming" and this does not exist.  Over 35,000 climate scientists signed a petition saying just this.  The earth has had heating and cooling periods through out it's history.  Funny that the real data shows a cooling since the industrial revolution of some 1.01 degrees.  Also, CO2 is not a poison gas as the US EPA now says it is.  Al Gore's, and others, "documentaries" showing the glaciers calving as evidence of global warming.  Funny thing about this is that glaciers do calve BUT only when they are advancing due to a cooling trend as in a coming ice age.  Glaciers do NOT calve when they melt, they just melt.  This is simple earth science that anyone who can read can find out for themselves.

Also, Polar Bears do not drown, they can swim for over 80 miles so that bear in the water in Al's video did not drown.

A video documentary team was aboard a cruise ship last week on a cruise down in the south pacific waters to document the terrors of global warming.  Well, that cruise ship got stuck in the frozen sea and, they said it will take about a week or more for icebreakers to set them free again.  Also note that this is the summer time down there.  Gee, I hate that for them.

We do need the truth and all you have to do is read a little bit on your own to see that this is nothing more than a world wide scam in a very large power grab.

I am glad those hackers published what they have found.

By the way, the "scientists" have already confirmed that those e-mails as published are accurate representations of what they had written so, the hackers did not doctor them.

Bill

[eastcoastwilly]

"Also, Polar Bears do not drown, they can swim for over 80 miles so that bear in the water in Al's video did not drown."

The photo in question was actually taken on a warm day in August.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11879

[Cap-Z-ro]

H.A.A.R.P = Man creating the appearance of global warming.

And I do not need to rely a "court of law"(fixed system of dirty lawyers and judges) to 'convict these fraudsters.

To me, the court of common sense, past behavior, and correlating evidence from individuals qualifies as proof of their guilt.

Thanks for that additional info Bill.

Regards...

[PaulLowrance]

By simply posting up links to reflect an apparently position you appear rigid and to be spamming.

There must be a lot of spammers here then given the discussion.     People don't appreciate being called a spammer when it's clearly not. Do people have to only talk about the "scam" aspect of this thread? That's being silly given the the thread title is also about global warming.

[PaulLowrance]

Actually, the correct term is "Man Caused Global Warming" and this does not exist.  Over 35,000 climate scientists signed a petition saying just this.  The earth has had heating and cooling periods through out it's history.  Funny that the real data shows a cooling since the industrial revolution of some 1.01 degrees.  Also, CO2 is not a poison gas as the US EPA now says it is.  Al Gore's, and others, "documentaries" showing the glaciers calving as evidence of global warming.  Funny thing about this is that glaciers do calve BUT only when they are advancing due to a cooling trend as in a coming ice age.  Glaciers do NOT calve when they melt, they just melt.  This is simple earth science that anyone who can read can find out for themselves.

Also, Polar Bears do not drown, they can swim for over 80 miles so that bear in the water in Al's video did not drown.

A video documentary team was aboard a cruise ship last week on a cruise down in the south pacific waters to document the terrors of global warming.  Well, that cruise ship got stuck in the frozen sea and, they said it will take about a week or more for icebreakers to set them free again.  Also note that this is the summer time down there.  Gee, I hate that for them.

We do need the truth and all you have to do is read a little bit on your own to see that this is nothing more than a world wide scam in a very large power grab.

I am glad those hackers published what they have found.

By the way, the "scientists" have already confirmed that those e-mails as published are accurate representations of what they had written so, the hackers did not doctor them.

Bill

You've made *claims* without references. I'll address all of those issues in another thread. Although we can agree that humanity should at least take action to prevent the air pollution caused by humanity, and stop destroying the natural environment.

Paul

[PaulLowrance]

I've started another thread because IMO nearly everything Bill wrote in his post is incorrect -->

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8356.0

[Cap-Z-ro]

Your game is tiring paul...I suspect that is the intent...it seems to have worked on gadget.

Don't bother responding...I not playing that game.

[PaulLowrance]

Your game is tiring paul...I suspect that is the intent...it seems to have worked on gadget.

Don't bother responding...I not playing that game.

How dare you accuse me of playing games when I'm the one posting the references, which btw is being scientific. Sometimes the truth hurts.

You started this thread by saying,

Hackers dug up some pretty revealing emails recently which should blow the doors off the climate scam world "leaders" had in the works.

That seems a bit biased. Hang before trial? Did it occur to you that the email thing is not about questioning global warming, but about what's causing it. And how do emails from a scientist suddenly blow the doors of the hard work from thousands of scientists?

Paul


Stefan, what does this guy mean by, "it seems to have worked on gadget."  Is he insinuating  that I've done something bad to gadget? Maybe he thinks asking for experimental data is bad.

[PaulLowrance]

And I do not need to rely a "court of law"(fixed system of dirty lawyers and judges) to 'convict these fraudsters.

To me, the court of common sense, past behavior, and correlating evidence from individuals qualifies as proof of their guilt.

Wow, what country do you live in where people are guilty without trial?

You write, "dirty lawyers and judges."   LOL, that's just so wrong.

Paul

[Mk1]

Paul , we live in the same world you live in , we all watch tv the news and read the journal...

So we are aware of the situation.

Global warming or not , we are required to respect earth .

But even after all that ,we chose to see reality differently .

The world is trying to convince us , what makes you think you will ?

we got 13 years of email , exposing the fraud , and on top of it they admitted that those emails are real...
 
And we get almost ignored by most tv networks.

[Pirate88179]

Did it occur to you that the email thing is not about questioning global warming, but about what's causing it. And how do emails from a scientist suddenly blow the doors of the hard work from thousands of scientists?

Paul

Geeze Paul can't you read?  Those emails are all over the place now and they were fudging the numbers (data) to make it look like it has been warming when IN FACT it has been cooling.  So, this is probably why it did not occur to him.  They have admitted to doing it, now that the cat is out of the bag, so what is not to believe then about this?  The UN based ALL of their findings on this falsified data.  Enough said.

This has been a scam since day one and now everyone that can read should know.  The 39,000 scientists that signed that petition was already enough proof for me but this should confirm it for even the most dense people out there who are desperately clinging to a failed hoax, which was never science from day one.

Bill

[TechStuf]

Name a catastrophe that the vultures that be haven't capitalized on.  Real or imagined.

Regarding the massive changes in earth's weather systems and associative causes...

Some are citing "time lapse" photos of the north star as "proof" that all is right with the world, despite the lack of critical information such as WHEN the photo was taken and the duration of the "time lapse".

Also, I have seen some sharing the erroneous conclusion that amateur "Go to" telescopes would be off if the earth were wobbling. As most of these scopes rely upon finding reference stars from which to aim, instead of an earthly point of reference, such a conclusion is faulty.

There appears to be two "camps" developing, in reference to these phenomena. Those who blindly trust "data" from other sources, regardless of date gathered or techniques of interpretation of said data....and those who prefer to research things more judiciously, and make verification with their own eyes.

Of course, something could be said regarding that ever present 3rd camp.....whose agenda becomes more obvious as our Late Hour winds to a close.

Those of you who have researched the observations of myself and the increasing number of others regarding our present Earth wobble and the "shaken heavens", can see for yourselves that the numbers, at least the numbers BEFORE our present world situation, don't mesh with what is occurring.

Remember, University websites and texts reveal the old moon orbit data, which shows how the moon's orbit sways 5 degrees per lunar month. Moving both above and below the "ecliptic plane" (the plane of earth's orbit around the sun).

One can, with one's own eyes, observe how the moon rises in the south east, tracking low across the southern sky, and in a period of two weeks, has moved northward to rise in the northeast and track high across the sky, slightly to the north of most locations in the continental U.S.


Covering a swath of sky MUCH, MUCH greater than 5 degrees in two week's time.



http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/earmoon.gif


The following chart, which is hosted at the University of Arkansas clearly demonstrates the OLD LIMITS OF THE MOON'S DECLINATION for a period of ONE YEAR. I live at 41 degrees N. Latitude and can watch it rise and track north of me, once a month!




 http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg



Dear reader, I ask you, how many degrees of latitude would you say the moon is covering every two weeks, much less per YEAR?



Also, get a good look at sun rise and set in late december of this year....what some are believing to be, or trying to pass off as, normal is not the "old normal"....it's the quite temporary "new normal".


http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth

http://www.eh2r.com


Of course, one is always free to believe whatever, whomever, and whenever they wish to, but I would ask one to be not too fearful to trust one's own eyes.


I post this information for the SOLE purpose of inspiring HOPE and education in God's Faithful, those who might yet become so, and those who might return to being about our Father's business at this late hour. The harvest is Great, but the laborers are few.



As for me and mine, we believe and follow Yeshua, Jesus Christ



Blessings, all, in Christ Yeshua