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Offline mrwayne

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Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« on: April 10, 2011, 10:07:24 AM »
Well, I have not been to secret, and so I do not confuse myself, I need to explain a few things about my invention.

It uses multiple channels of water to transfer energy to the same number of air pockets, each air pocket is sandwiched between two pistons, the layered pistons apply a direct upward force on a hydraulic cylinder.

Each channel of water increases the "Head" and thus increases the pressure in the air pocket - to be clear each air pocket has a different amount of air pressure increasing in succession.

Since the greater pressure is in the lowest, each piston has a greater force than the one above it.

Now, this upward action of this set up is not much different than the same action you would get from a pneumatic cylinder.

10 psi on a 1000 inch (squared) piston will roughly lift 10,000 pounds - so will my design.

The main difference between my system and that cylinder is the down stroke, after the load is removed, the input is allowed to vent, my design keeps that exaust  pressure at exactly half of the input.

In our photo's you will see two Z.E.D.s that is because we use the exhaust pressure from on side to supply half the fuel for the other.

You can guess the net gain...

More tommorrow, it is late.

mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com

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« Last Edit: May 23, 2012, 07:31:03 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 03:54:36 PM »
If I let the next part go unsaid - it would save a lot of trouble explaining......

As I said before - my machine physically acts like a pneumatic cylinder on the up stroke - that is only in outward measurement and repeatability.

The internal driving force of the machine is buoyancy.

Most people I meet think that Buoyancy is caused by discplacment - it seems to make sense - like saying walking makes a foot print.

It is pressure differential - acting upon a surface that makes buoyancy.

It is repeatable and true to expect roughly 62 pounds of upward force from a 12 inch cube of discplacement, the error that is often made is assuming the discplacement "causes" the upward force.

Yes a cube lifts 62 pounds that is because 12 inches of "differential" pressure is .43 pounds or 12 x .43 = 61.92

My machine layers the differential pressures so that 144 cubic inches of discplacement lifts 682 pounds.

The design makes "buoyancy" operate at values nearly exactly like a pneumatic cylinder.

What my design on the up stroke does - is important - it creates buoyancy - equal to the pressure times surface area -

"instantly upon adding energy" Normally - when dealing with buoyancy - you have a major set back on HP because of the fill and dump time add so much time to the process - it eats any gain you could hope for -

infact - I would say that straight buoyancy is under 30% efficient - just due to the fill and dump time.

I do not have that loss of time.

Oops - got to go to church.

More later.

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 04:21:25 PM »
Look forward to a video or schematic. Good work.

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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 05:49:34 PM »
Congratulations on your device and concept.  In looking at your device on the web site I see one thing that would be a concern unless this can be scaled up affordably.  It would appear from the size of the units (and I would expect considerable cost to construct units that large) that this may be a working overunity device but for only getting 500 watts it would be very expensive.  Comments?

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 07:33:01 PM »
I will think of what i can send - the internal of the tank is pretty ingenious ..Maybe I will send an AVI.

Very scale-able but this is not a small system - you could use it to produce hydrogen fuel for free, but not fit this thing in a car.

It could replace a cruise ship motor, tanker ect.

The only way to make this thing affordable is to use it for large loads, or large demands.

That is why we call it a "base power" free like wind and solar - just running all the time.


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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 08:16:53 PM »
On the website http://www.mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/demonstration-model it is claimed that the demonstration model generates 500 Watts. But how much power is put in to make the "hydraulic fluid" flow? There seems to be at least one pump (photo 3/7) which needs electricity? In a contraption in which several Kilowatts float around easily some 500 Watts show up somewhere.

What I see is an idea which needs a lot of money to be built and no substantial proof so far that it will work, just words or concepts.

Whatever it is, the strange thing is, that the inventor posts in an open forum, dedicated to disclosing how a machine works, but does not give any details.

I never understand why inventors enjoy talking in riddles. Does the inventor think he can get money from this forum by making bald claims? Does he want to satisfy a strange urge to be in the center of attention?

So, what does the inventor want? If he had a working machine, he would not need to hang around here. People would beg him to take their money or he would be taken away by men in black (depending on what you believe will happen in case OU is really found).

Nobody has to give away his ideas for free, but why boast, when it has to stay secret. What sense does it make to say "I have something but I am not going to tell what it is"? This is the worst advertising an inventor can do. This is how you loose all credibility. What idiot invests because of a web site that says nothing?

It is very clear which companies, universities or government institutions would look into credible claims, no website necessary. Even for very modest "innovations" you can easily get funding (of course you have to show something). I know some people who got money for new sensors, even training equipment or ways of drilling holes in a mountain. If there is something, money flows in. And these people just filed their "innovation" with the local "chamber of industry and commerce (innovation section)". Specially "renewable energy ideas" easily find funding if credible. And if you believe in a conspiracy, go to the "green party", they would love to present a "new energy source" in case it really worked (because they would get a lot of political bonus out of it, but they are of course not prepared to believe in words or concepts).

Any technology that really worked was immediately believed and funding was never a problem. It sometimes took decades till a technology was useful and profitable (some never were), but proof was always available. But in the so called "OU field", every now and then someone comes and wants to sell secrets instead of proof.

And a new "secret" appears in this forum every few months and always disappears rapidly because it turns out to be an illusion at best or a scam at worst. No men in black necessary.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 08:16:57 PM »
I hope I do not get lost - jumping around.

The next thing that must be understood is that when you are "creating buoyancy" you are discplacing a fluid - usually with air.

Yes, the pressure differential acts on the horizontal surface unequally to cause an upward lift, but that is not the only thing going on - the fluid is moving out of the way, and the air pressure is equalizing to the "Head".

In my design, when we are filling the Buoyant part, we are moving the water level higher - that increases the internal pressure because it increases the head.

Head is the depth of the fluid, do not confuse that with the "height" of the fluid....

You can have depth without much height - an example take a 50 foot water hose and coil (three foot diameter) it onto a wall rack  - both ends up - now imagine the water level "transparent hose" fills the lower half of every ring, and air is present in the upper half of every ring.

The pressure in the bottom most of the hose would be 1.5' head  x .43 psi = .645
The pressure at both ends of the hose is 0 psi, the pressure is in the air pocket is 0.

Since you would have about 10 wraps of hose - how much pressure would it take to move the water down one side and near crest the other?

And what would the pressure changes be?

Each hose ring would have the potential to resist 3 feet worth of head, 10 wraps = 30 feet of head 30 x .43 = 12.9 psi at the end closest to you - and the pressure would drop the same each layer.

You measure 30 feet of head pressure at three feet high.

more later

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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 11:07:46 PM »
Thank you Conrad for you analysis........you left out a little,  Greetings anyway, I do not think you are trying to hide anything.

I always have a hard time waiting until Christmas to open presents....... Sounds like you and I have something in common.

Be patient, I have had to explain this to 18 engineers, and they always ask the same questions - which is what I am covering first.

To sum up what I have said so far:

Creating buoyancy is not locked in design by the volume of discplacement. Instead :having a pressure Differential acting upon a horizontal surface translates into a upward force in water.

Water and air behave differently when a force is applied - water transfers the force and will compress air, Air stores energy and can pressurize water.

Head pressure can create pressure, and the head can be separated by air and retain its pressure building property.

The machine is big - not for cars, not for single homes, not for airplanes

The machine is powerful, one could power an apartment complex, be used to generate hydrogen fuel, power a cruise boat, or hooked in series to power a city.

The 500watt model is not for sale - unless someone wants to buy the company.

I have also said - just having the idea is not enough, even building it is not enough, you need a support network and a team willing to verify and spread the word.


My motivation to share this with all of you - is purely to validate what each of you have dreamed is possible, and just maybe - you will direct me to the like minded  people who will join the company.

I am nobody, But I am sincerely concerned for the worlds need of energy, and the impact supporting unsustainable and unsafe energy production.

Lastly - I am not concerned about what other people think about my efforts, no disrespect - but if I were to listen to all the nay Sayers -I would have never tried.

I have tried and succeeded, and It took a year to get all of my ducks in a row, legal protection, business plan, web page, share certificates, LLC and I am building the business team now.

You may not of realized it, but you are the first group of people I have shared this with - outside of my respected community.

I am not surprised by the way I am treated - even here - everyone thinks money will just fall from tree's when the O/U discovery is made. To use the need of money to deny a claim is unexperianced reasoning.

Have any of you offered to help, not yet, most everyone is looking for the fault.

Skepticism is a sign of intellect, but facts are little more reliable -and more important.

Finally - I will show you - in between meetings, I chose this group from many to release the discovery too.

More later.

Mr Wayne


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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2011, 11:45:48 PM »
Dear Mr Wayne ,
many thanks for sharing it here.

But I have not yet understood your principle.

A video or a few more graphics would really help.

You must know, that many of us are skeptical at your
principle cause there were many ideas before your own,
which turned out not to work, although they were very
ingenious.
So the skepticism is of course very high and
only a good video or pictures that show exactly
the working principle could get you many more followers and helpers.

As you already have a patent, it would really help
to see a video with some spoken explanations.

Many thanks in advance and looking forward to see more.

I still have the hope that somebody can crack the trick or law
of buoyancy.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 03:14:21 AM »
I agree, but what about internationally?

Do you see the same protection?

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 08:42:01 AM »
@ inventor,

Very liked your last reasoning. please, go on..

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 10:07:10 AM »
Dear inventor:

You say: "- even here - everyone thinks money will just fall from tree's when the O/U discovery is made. To use the need of money to deny a claim is unexperianced reasoning."

What we get over an over again is:

- It would work if I put in more money.

- It just has to be made bigger to work which needs money.

- The principle is clear, I just need money to build it.

- It only needs one more thing to work which I can not get or build without money.

- This shows how it should work in principle, but I can not build the real thing without money.

And so on, you probably understand what I want to say: It is difficult to get money for a principle which yet has to be shown to work.

Money comes in easily if there is substance. And the substance has to be pretty tangible in case of an OU claim because the OU-world is full of misguided individuals. Yes, we all want a new clean reliable and affordable energy. But a mere wish or intention will not be funded.

A working machine will make its way. But I doubt that one single individual will get the credit and the financial benefit. Like with all "discoveries" (in contrast to an "invention"), it needs many thinkers to bring it from concept to a useful technology.

Who "invented" electricity? Who "invented" atomic energy? Who "invented" the hydroelectric power station? Who "invented" the wind mill? Who invented photo voltaic? Who invented the steam engine, the combustion engine? There might be individuals who mad a big contribution, but they were never alone. A "new technology" is not "invented", it is "developed" over time by many people and in many ways.

The biggest idiocy in our time is "I invent something and then I will be rich". This can be true for a gadget (based on well known technology), but never for a "new technology".

Yes, financial rewards seldom fall in the right place. But this is a political issue and has nothing to do with "technology". Only the little guy has to follow the rules. The powerful ones just take what they want. You can never beat that with "ducks in a row".

So, what should a "inventor of an OU-device" do? I do not know, I have never seen one who did it right! First of all, I have never seen a working OU-device. And once we really see one, I am sure that  it can not be hidden. Who then reaps the benefits? I am sure it will not be us the people! And there will be hundreds of inventors and patent holders.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2011, 10:21:19 AM »
@ Condra,

you certtainly express a point based on what the man said, but i think lets give him a chance to explain the principle shall we?]

it maybe require large sums of money (lets assume for now) to run this machine cost efficiently, but a prototype i suppose could be constructed with a minimal amount of money and some tinkering right?

If that is not the case, even the inventor bears some real allien technology, since it cannot be easily replicated it would fall to the theory zone anyway.

ps: I suppose you have heard Kapanadze's last Hydro Ou alleged machine. perhaps it works on same technology? (how many could be there?)
Is that technology (fluid based) could be also sought at the electrical equivalence for easy replication or just try for an experiment (since electricity has astonishing resemblence to fluid mechanics)

ps2: this site by default goes to twilight zone. Everything said here should be treated with some tolerance. Otherwise, by default OU is out of the question so no need to talk about it, right?

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2011, 10:57:21 AM »
@ Condra,

you certtainly express a point based on what the man said, but i think lets give him a chance to explain the principle shall we?]

Sorry, if I sound like a denier. I state what I need to see to make me believe. A investor has to see even more than me (a very tolerant searcher for OU).

The inventor wants to be believed. This is a lot to ask in case of an OU-claim.

If someone wants to explain his "invention", I am more than ready to listen. But I do not listen to "secrets" or "things that have to be protected". If you have a secret, keep it. If you have something to protect, hide it. But then, do not talk in riddles. Disclose it or seek investment (by help of nondisclosure agreements). There is no middle ground. The middle ground is gibberish and make believe. There are thousands of books and web sites talking about OU, they just can not deliver. I do not need more of that.

I am not making any rules, I state my unimportant opinion. Everybody can do as he pleases. For me there is no explanation without disclosure. But I do not demand disclosure, I demand consistency when something is said. "I have OU, but I can not tell you" is nonsense, that makes me sad. I have seen and heard it too often.

If people like to talk in riddles, fine, I will not take part in such a discussion. But many seem to like that. Fine, no problem. I will not interfere. If I have said to much, my apologies.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 11:12:34 AM »
Conrad, very well said.

If you would like to see my working device - you are welcome to come on over, I love sharing the discovery, No one has gone away disappointed.

As far as experience of so many come and goes........ is that not with every attempt at innovation.

The process of discovery if full of failures, measurement errors, misguided at temps, and over optimistic claims.

When someone does hit it just right, like the "intermittent windshield wiper" .....no one worries anymore about the effort it took, the diligence it required, the tenacity to not give up. And yes, a big company comes and gobbles them up.

I wonder how many truly great ideas have went away from a need to fund, or to get people to listen.

I do not claim to have all the answers to the problem, but I do have a very over unity device.

A very good point you made: "Bigger"

When I built my first attempt - it was a "full scale bucket brigade" with modern improvements - that was before I truly understood how buoyancy worked - I have Photos. I learned a great deal with hands on and practical application.

(I am on design number seven - and it is works very well) I would say that I am an expert on what does not work, as well  :)

One thing I heard from critics, and have confirmed with my physical research is that if it does not work on the small, it will not work on the big - (with a little disclaimer - your drag in a over all system does not reduce at the same rate as you can reduce the design).

And in functionality - if drag is going to be an issue - your machine is not worth the effort to build.

My models 5 and 6 were also over unity, (125) those designs each had four energy conversions, at the end of the day - the only thing I had to "sell" was $300 worth of electrons (a year) from a $35,000 dollar machine.

Very much a waste of time, my goal has not been to disprove the laws of physics, but to build a system that produces in an abundance.

I am going to post this chat, and go back to explaining my system.

Thank all of you for the interest. It is en courageing.

Mr Wayne






 

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