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Author Topic: Curious OU? transformer; Schnelzer, Turtur, Horvath, Marinov...Any replications?  (Read 13377 times)

Offline JouleSeeker

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While searching the internet for "Turtur", I came across an intriguing article regarding a demonstration of a device years ago, that apparently produced some 3KW-h, while consuming less than 0.6 KW-h. 
http://philica.com/display_observation.php?observation_id=61

Demonstration of the device to "1500 people" by H. Schnelzer; sketch of device by J. Horvath; acquired from Horvath; article in Philica by C. Turtur.

I quote the PDF below, and  I will attach the drawing from the article for convenience.

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Proposal for a test of a motionless zero-point-energy converter
Authors:   Johannes Horvath & Claus Turtur Address:   University of Applied Sciences Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel
Salzdahlumer Straße 46/48 D - 38302 Wolfenbüttel Email: c-w.turtur@ostfalia.de
A version in german language is here: http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/FundE/Deutsch/MLMC1.pdf
The official publication is to be found at: PHILICA (ISSN 1751-3030):
http://philica.com/display_observation.php?observation_id=61
Abstract:
We describe the proposal of tapping an unknown energy-source, told to have operated some years ago, but not yet reproduced. The principle is unexplained. The setup was brought by a Professor at the University of Vienna, who got it from Prof. S. Marinov of Sofia University. Its operability has been confirmed by the TÜV-München.
Article body:

In 1989-91 the mentioned colleague reported about investigations of the magnetization of different magnets and coils (see Fig.1). The magnetic hysteresis loop was passed by applying a pulsed current to the primary coil. Surprisingly, the secondary coil could produce more electric power than the primary coil needed, depending on the pulse-width of the primary pulses. Discussions of the reason: Inertance of magnetization due to the Barkhausen-effect might delay the decrease of the magnetic flux in the secondary coil.

In 1990/91 the Austrian Engineer H. Schnelzer reproduced the setup using an electric circuit supplying short 7kAmp-pulses by IGBTs, sourced from a car-accumulator. At a demonstration at Scheibbs, 1500 people saw an output power of about 2.1kW (driving a heater and a lamp) for 90 minutes, i.d. a bit more than 3kWh. But the accumulator only had 50Ah/12V, i.e. a power-capacity of maximal 0.6kWh. Furthermore the accumulator did not discharge. It is said, that the device has been inspected and certified by TÜV-München, by measuring input- and output power and temperature.

Important is the gap (right side of the yoke), as well as high current IGBTs (Driving those IGBTs is today easy doable with Analog Devices ADUM5230 (2.5kV) ADUM7234 (1kV) (Isolation rating), or other Isolated-Gate Drivers). The IGBTs (4 pieces, H-bridge-circuit) of Mr. Schnelzer had a turn-on time of 1μs / ~7000A at 1000V.

1.  Are there any replications?  Anyone?

2.  Can anyone translate the German on the sketch? 

3.  Was is meant by a "car-accumulator"?  a battery?

4.  " It is said, that the device has been inspected and certified by TÜV-München, by measuring input- and output power and temperature."   -- is there any record of these tests?

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  Hmmm...  here's the rest of the write-up, and the sketch.

While searching the internet for "Turtur", I came across an intriguing article regarding a demonstration of a device years ago, that apparently produced some 3KW-h, while consuming less than 0.6 KW-h. 
http://philica.com/display_observation.php?observation_id=61

Demonstration of the device to "1500 people" by H. Schnelzer; sketch of device by J. Horvath; acquired from Horvath; article in Philica by C. Turtur.

I quote the PDF below, and  I have attached the drawing from the article for convenience.

Quote
Proposal for a test of a motionless zero-point-energy converter

The official publication is to be found at: PHILICA (ISSN 1751-3030):
http://philica.com/display_observation.php?observation_id=61
Abstract:
We describe the proposal of tapping an unknown energy-source, told to have operated some years ago, but not yet reproduced. The principle is unexplained. The setup was brought by a Professor at the University of Vienna, who got it from Prof. S. Marinov of Sofia University. Its operability has been confirmed by the TÜV-München.
Article body:

In 1989-91 the mentioned colleague reported about investigations of the magnetization of different magnets and coils (see Fig.1). The magnetic hysteresis loop was passed by applying a pulsed current to the primary coil. Surprisingly, the secondary coil could produce more electric power than the primary coil needed, depending on the pulse-width of the primary pulses. Discussions of the reason: Inertance of magnetization due to the Barkhausen-effect might delay the decrease of the magnetic flux in the secondary coil.

In 1990/91 the Austrian Engineer H. Schnelzer reproduced the setup using an electric circuit supplying short 7kAmp-pulses by IGBTs, sourced from a car-accumulator. At a demonstration at Scheibbs, 1500 people saw an output power of about 2.1kW (driving a heater and a lamp) for 90 minutes, i.d. a bit more than 3kWh. But the accumulator only had 50Ah/12V, i.e. a power-capacity of maximal 0.6kWh. Furthermore the accumulator did not discharge. It is said, that the device has been inspected and certified by TÜV-München, by measuring input- and output power and temperature.

Important is the gap (right side of the yoke), as well as high current IGBTs (Driving those IGBTs is today easy doable with Analog Devices ADUM5230 (2.5kV) ADUM7234 (1kV) (Isolation rating), or other Isolated-Gate Drivers). The IGBTs (4 pieces, H-bridge-circuit) of Mr. Schnelzer had a turn-on time of 1μs / ~7000A at 1000V.

1.  Are there any replications?  Anyone?

2.  Can anyone translate the German on the sketch? 

3.  Was is meant by a "car-accumulator"?  a battery?

4.  " It is said, that the device has been inspected and certified by TÜV-München, by measuring input- and output power and temperature."   -- is there any record of these tests?

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I can virtually 100% confirm that a car accumulator is the same as a car battery . This term was in widespread use as a name for a single cell lead acid battery for radio use [ wireless accumulator] . I t was the common name for a car battery in the UK before world war two , and was then gradually supplanted by the term battery . In the early days of motoring , before cars had charging systems , it was common to charge the "Accumulator " overnight from the mains .

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The above JouleSeeker post about free energy sounds SUPER.

Can someone PLEASE translate that Diagram & Notes into English?

Thank you.

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The above JouleSeeker post about free energy sounds SUPER.

Can someone PLEASE translate that Diagram & Notes into English?

Thank you.

Thanks, FB -- I wish I spoke German and could translate the notes.  Anyone?
Thanks, Neptune -- makes sense that "car accumulator" signifies "car battery".

This is one I would like to look into further...

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Thanks, FB -- I wish I spoke German and could translate the notes.  Anyone?
Thanks, Neptune -- makes sense that "car accumulator" signifies "car battery".

This is one I would like to look into further...
stefan hartmann (hartiberlin) the site owner is german. i bet he could translate it for you.

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Good point WilbyInebriated.

How can we ask Stefan to translate it?

Thanks.

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text of Horvath sketch:
left side:
Weichmagnet = soft magnet
Hartmagnet = hard magnet

Wirkungsgrad < 1 = cop < 1
A1 u. A2 sind durch den Luftstpalt bestimmt = A1 and A2 are defined by size of air gap

vx ist die Magnetisierungsgeschwindigkeit = vx is the speed of magnetization

right side:
Parameters to alter
N1,2= Number of windings
P1= primary power
P2= secondary power
U1= input voltage
U2= output voltage
d= air gap
Ø1= flux1
Ø2= flux2
A1= virtual magnetic cross section of Ø1
A2= virtual magnetic cross section of Ø2
vx= magnetization speed
ratio A1/A2 ... magnetic resonator
epsilon = ratio t1/t2
f = 1/t2
I1 = primary current
I2 = secondary current

PS: yes, a car accumulator is a car battery ('accumulator' as it accumulates charge)

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@ Oscar,

Thank you very much for Translating that text sir.
Now I hope somebody can give us some more information on that.


Thanks again.

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text of Horvath sketch:
left side:
Weichmagnet = soft magnet
Hartmagnet = hard magnet

Wirkungsgrad < 1 = cop < 1
A1 u. A2 sind durch den Luftstpalt bestimmt = A1 and A2 are defined by size of air gap

vx ist die Magnetisierungsgeschwindigkeit = vx is the speed of magnetization

right side:
Parameters to alter
N1,2= Number of windings
P1= primary power
P2= secondary power
U1= input voltage
U2= output voltage
d= air gap
Ø1= flux1
Ø2= flux2
A1= virtual magnetic cross section of Ø1
A2= virtual magnetic cross section of Ø2
vx= magnetization speed
ratio A1/A2 ... magnetic resonator
epsilon = ratio t1/t2
f = 1/t2
I1 = primary current
I2 = secondary current

PS: yes, a car accumulator is a car battery ('accumulator' as it accumulates charge)

Thank you, Oscar, for the translation.   Traveling with family, or I should have thanked you sooner for this.   

It appears clear that there is not enough detail to actually do a serious replication, but perhaps this information is a start. 
Someone suggested that this is like the Magnacoaster -- can anyone confirm or challenge this suggestion?

Thanks again, Steven J

Offline TEKTRON

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Hard magnet=permanent magnet. Soft magnet=electromagnet.
I was thinking of using a "strippit" or uni-punch frame" for the electro-mag core.   

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