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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 748116 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1125 on: April 21, 2013, 12:13:04 AM »
Whoh, not quite yet. Putting the coils in series is not going to let the bifi do as it will with the single filar coil dictating current flow.  ;)

Mags
That demonstration was simply to assure that both coils were getting the same current in a simple manner. The results from powering the coils individually, at the same current, will not differ.

Offline synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1126 on: April 21, 2013, 12:15:25 AM »
Here's an interesting video. He states his screw driver magnatizes with only one south pole.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD9kox0bNdE
 
 
And on the electromagnet test, the serial input invaldates any results!

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1127 on: April 21, 2013, 12:16:59 AM »
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The Rodin Vortex coil, along with my Spiral SBC both project a monopole.

I think there were some reports many months ago about some highly specialized laboratory experiments possibly detecting a magnetic monopole with some kind of special setup.  Sorry, I am very vague on the details and I think the links on the web looked legit but I can't be sure.

But in the real world on your bench you did not observe a monopole.  For what it's worth "Rodin" coils are just coils, no more and no less.  There is a perception that there are "special" coils out there.  It would be more correct to say that there are special coil configurations for different applications, but they are all ultimately just coils and they all behave fundamentally the same way.  Any special "Rodin" coil clips you can find online can be replicated with ordinary coils.  The whole thing is just "hot air."  Nor is there any kind of "vortex."

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1128 on: April 21, 2013, 12:17:54 AM »
@Alvaro:

The way to extend the life of the Reed Switch is to place a small capacitor (ceramic) across the contacts, right at the switch. Of course, since the "special" thing about reed switches is that they are noisy and allow ringing and arcing to occur, the capacitor might eliminate your chances of getting OU.

Of course, as Steorn showed in their famous Waterways demo, you don't really need a reed switch after all. Theirs, on their "plinth" Orbos, froze up after a few hours of operation, so they replaced them with optical sensors firing standard OTS solid-state relays, which are just mosfets-in-a-box. And with that setup they were able to show just as much overunity performance as before.

Offline Farmhand

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1129 on: April 21, 2013, 12:20:43 AM »
Here's an interesting video. He states his screw driver magnatizes with only one south pole.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD9kox0bNdE
 
 
And on the electromagnet test, the serial input invaldates any results!

Well you wouldn't expect two south poles would you ?

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1130 on: April 21, 2013, 12:21:11 AM »
Here's an interesting video. He states his screw driver magnatizes with only one south pole.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD9kox0bNdE
 
 
And on the electromagnet test, the serial input invaldates any results!

Ooooh, a TriField Meter!  That proves his claims are correct.

(From now on I'm going to include my TriField Meter in my videos.)

If you think that "the serial input invaldates any results" (sic) I put it to you: Prove it. Get some bolts and some wire and some power supplies, and demonstrate some difference between the "serial input" and the same current through the electromagnets individually.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1131 on: April 21, 2013, 12:21:41 AM »
Well you wouldn't expect two south poles would you ?

 ???

ROFL..... ;D

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1132 on: April 21, 2013, 12:31:26 AM »
Do they make Rodin coil bird's nest soup?   :-X

When I exercise my superb qualifying skills I can state with confidence that the "coil south monopole effect" clip is done by a beginner who does not know what he is really doing.

The Internet is a dangerous place to play!

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1133 on: April 21, 2013, 12:31:41 AM »
Yes I see, he mentions capacity in the sense of the capacity for energy not in the sense of "capacitance" as such. I get it.

Easy enough to explain in future.

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It is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1134 on: April 21, 2013, 12:38:23 AM »

Gyula:

Thanks for doing the experiment and it was very astute to put both coils in series to guarantee that they have the same current flow.



This is not astute. "to guarantee that they have the same current flow" ??

Would it be any different if they were in parallel or just individually?

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1135 on: April 21, 2013, 12:40:54 AM »
All that's left for me to test is the difference in resonant frequency between two coils wound the same way Gyulasun did.
Both with the same total wire length, one single winding, one bifilar wound. I predict a big difference, so I can test that.
I'll do it tonight. Hopefully.

In my opinion that is the purpose for the patent. To lower the resonant frequency of a coil with a given length of wire and no external capacitors.

If it does that the patent claims are valid as far as I can tell.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1136 on: April 21, 2013, 12:44:22 AM »
This is not astute. "to guarantee that they have the same current flow" ??

Would it be any different if they were in parallel or just individually?

Mags

Just like two lamps in series, if they both have the same DC resistance they will both get the same current and power.

It's a valid test as far as I see it.

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1137 on: April 21, 2013, 12:50:35 AM »
That demonstration was simply to assure that both coils were getting the same current in a simple manner. The results from powering the coils individually, at the same current, will not differ.

Oh. So he is going to do the individual tests next?


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Offline synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1138 on: April 21, 2013, 12:52:59 AM »
In fairness as a replicator, standards of conformance are called for. The coils are close enough to one another to cause a horseshoe effect. This constitutes a serious departure from the original experiment.

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1139 on: April 21, 2013, 12:57:32 AM »
Farmhand:

With the coils in series they don't have to have the same resistance.  That's the point for putting them in series, to negate any requirement to do precise current flow measurements.

Magluvin:

Of course it actually would be easy to do do separate tests.  All that you need is a multimeter set to read current and preferably a variable-voltage power supply.

Putting them in parallel is no good.   By the same token, their resistances are probably so close in value that putting them in parallel would probably work and show the same field strength.  The point is that you should be aware that you don't want to do this.

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