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Offline vineet_kiran

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Resonating Generator
« on: September 04, 2011, 04:43:28 PM »

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2011, 06:05:13 PM »
I think this idea is workable,  I like the physical movement of the core idea.
Nice!  Try it with a sheet of nanoperm ultra 80 from Goldmine Electronics (check in there magnet heading) instead of foil.

You are pulling the energy flow in the wire back and forth.  No grounding is involved so your also gaining from the "bounce back"  which drives resonance.  Evolved management of power you have here.  Nice work.  I wonder what a spark gap between the two ends of the coil wire would do?

There is also nanoperm wire on the market also.

Please post the measurements of all items used here and what is the light blub?  Motor used and a picture of the device with a ruler in it would be good also.  I want to play with it a bit too!

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 08:13:34 PM »
Hello vineet_kiran,

very interesting setup. Thank you Hope for sending me this start of discussion. Usually the magnitude of the magnetic flux B depends of flux-density in the cross-section of any magnetic core-material. Comparing a 100 W to a 600 Watt Torus-Transformer you will notice that it is the cross-section ( of yourse in addition to the permeability ) which makes the Power_Out in Volt-seconds. Why ? Because there are more elementary-magnets contained in a bigger cross-section the flux-Lines are passing through.

In your case one would not expect to happen something of special because of this thin foil .... but...according to your description and your results - ZPE ( Zero Point Energy ) comes into play. According to what I see you have invented a ZPE-Transformer ! I envy you :-[ ( joking)

Now I have to explain why I am so sure that this is the case here.
First I recommend the reading of these Documents of Prof. Turtur ( lecturing at the University of Wolfsbüttel, Germany) He is the first person I know of who demonstrated in an experiment the existance and the inflow of ZPE with a mechanical rotor driven by the ZPE-Inflow. Here a short demo of the rotor-experiment. The experiment was also conducted in a high-vacuum-chamber to eliminate ion-interaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiC2IGLl90Q&feature=related

http://www.ostfalia.de/cms/de/pws/turtur/FundE

Follow the links on the left column and start with the audio-book-videos:
http://www.ostfalia.de/cms/de/pws/turtur/Video-english.html

Not before you have studied this will it make sense to further discuss your findings.

One suggestion : you might add a capacitor in parallell to your coil. For better calculation of the LC-Values see here:
http://www.pronine.ca/lcf.htm

Resonance at 300 000 cycles per minute ? Here we go - weird !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cs5ZpCgHoo

Best Regards

Kator01


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Re: Resonating Generator
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Offline vineet_kiran

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 07:22:47 AM »
Mr.Kator01,


One thing I want to make clear that I am a mechanical engineer and electricity is not my field.  I am interested more in mechanical principles of a generator than electrical portion of it.

My idea of using thin foil is to abosorb force of attraction between the magnet and core by its leaf spring action.  ie., force of attraction between magnet and core is balanced by bending of foil which in turn reduces force and thereby torque on the motor used to rotate the magnet.   Just like any other damper the foil also vibrates with its natural frequency of vibration for some specific speed of rotating magnet.   At this point the magnet experiences least force hence the motor consumes least energy.

I am neither interested in ZPE energy nor in various sites you have mentioned in your comment.  I am not interested in further discussion also.

I have just revealed to the forum what I have experimented and my observations.   If you find it interesting or useful  make use of  it otherwise forget about it.

With thanks and regards


Vineet.K.

PS  :  If you feel  that it is the thickness of core (or foil)  which is responsible for generating more flux due to tiny magnets,   you may still fix a leaf spring damper (or foil) on the solid and thick core used in conventional generator.   In this case you may have to compensate in the air gap.  There has to be sufficient air gap between core and rotating magnet to allow the foil to vibrate.





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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2011, 11:13:14 AM »
Hi vineet, thanks for sharing your idea.
Since you are more adept at mechanical it seems, then you may see a similarity between this idea with a pendulum attached to a flexible arm or string and your generator idea.
Though your idea is benefiting from the oscillations of the flexible material to aid the generator function of the device and help cancel any feedback forces to the drive motor turning the magnet.
Where as the pendulum propulsion drive I show uses the oscillations of the flexible rod or string to only cancel reaction forces of the impact of the mass.
This really has me thinking, thanks again for sharing and I hope you will continue to share and communicate.

Not to detract from your idea, though I just had an idea that could use this principle, though in a different geometry.

How about coils with cores or without cores, mounted around a multiple magnet rotor in radial or axial configuration and the coils are attached to leaf spring like material, so that just like your idea, the coils will move back and forth like little pendulum clocks and reduce lentz reaction forces.
And possibly at a certain speed may act similar to your setup and resonate with the rotor for greater speed and output with very little input required.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Resonating Generator
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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2011, 11:15:43 AM »
Oops, forgot to post the pic.

Offline vineet_kiran

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 12:46:09 PM »
Mr.Tyson,

I have posted my reply vide attachment.   I don't know how to paste matter in this page

Thanks

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Offline Kator01

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2011, 01:03:12 AM »
Hello vineet_kiran,

of course I will respect your wish to not discuss your resonating generator any further.
But I have just two basic questions concerning the coil arragement:

1) I assume the coil has a core.Which material did you use ?
2) how did you connect the magnetic foil to the open ends of the core ?

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Offline vineet_kiran

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2011, 02:17:10 PM »
Mr.Kator01

I have given complete details in attachment.  Please go through it.

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Vineet.K

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Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2011, 04:44:48 PM »
Thank you for sharing, Vineet.

That is a very interesting design. I like how the coil is centered and perpendicular to the diametric magnet. Excellent work.

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2011, 08:51:00 AM »
@Dreamthinkbuild


Magnetic circuit is not my design.  The dynamo from which I removed the coil was working with that design.  I  just replaced the existing things (thick plates)  with thin foils for getting vibrations and resonance.

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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2011, 06:23:55 PM »
Mr.Kator01

I have given complete details in attachment.  Please go through it.

Regards,

Vineet.K

That a good design improvement, may I also contribute by telling you to place a second unit just like the top unit at the bottom but inverted.  Then you will be using both cycles each direction since you are setup as a Bloch generator you have output and input on the top AND the bottom of the foil.  I just received some sheets of nano perm and would like to build one too.

edited

Also   making the pickup coil halves one above or below another would in effect make two monopole magnets so we could make a repelling magnetic ring for each or electro coil fed by there own outputs. N 2 N , S 2 S.
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Re: Resonating Generator
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2011, 02:13:50 PM »
Mr.Hope,


I  didnot understand your idea.  Can you kindly make a drawing?

The foils should be free to vibrate since they vibrate with fairly high amplitude at resonance.   If you fix one more coil at the bottom,  you will be restricting the vibrations.    You have to chose the thickness of foil in such a way that they vibrate and at the same time carry considerable amount of flux produced by the magnet.   I hope your napo perm sheets are good enough for that.

Your second para (edited) is too complicated for me to understand.

Wish you all the best and if you don't mind kindly keep me (or forum)  informed about the developments.

Thanks and regards

Vineet.K.



 

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