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Author Topic: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?  (Read 27089 times)

Offline Justsomeguy

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Say that you have discovered a previously unknown property of a substance that allows you to prove overunity beyond any doubt. Repeatable and reproducible by anyone. You have used different materials, meters, gauges, and even multiple locations to rule out outside influences (I used to be a metrologist, I ran a materials testing lab, And process engineering for a major corp. trust me). Also assume that with such a breakthrough that you would like to become disgustingly wealthy. You are familiar with the laws of thermodynamics, but you also can see it with you own eyes and hold it in your hands. No input required. It just works. Linear or rotational and output is measured with "work"- force over distance.
Now you start researching patents and find out that you can't protect it. How do you make Billions from it? JREF has a million dollar prize. There are some X prizes and some oil guy. But how do you make real money with it? 
I would really like some ideas.

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Offline gauschor

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2011, 08:12:56 AM »
I suggest to get to the river first before speculating on how to cross it.

Offline Justsomeguy

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 02:20:23 PM »
I really would appreciate any suggestions.

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 02:20:23 PM »
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Offline From other Planet

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 03:23:50 PM »
My plan would be to produce as much electrical power from it as possible and sell this energy. The Problem I see with this you have to cover up your Device, perhaps with also using some Solar Panels or other conventional power producing technologies...  ;)
But like many others I also think you should share the building plans with others, so all people in the world, who want to, can use it.  :)

Offline Jimboot

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 04:04:09 PM »
It's a good question, one I have spent some time thinking about. Royalties and patents are very 20th century concepts as the music and film industry is trying to rail against. In the open source community ppl make money from providing services or products that work on a platform. A holy Grail free energy device is only the first step. You must dareisay value add to that with real products and services. No one is paying royalties or licensing for an electric motor or the Internet I stand to be corrected here. The fortunes come from utilizing the the tech. If you have something, think beyond royalties or patents.
Where is the niche that you can provide a real difference using the tech. I would go there first before a patent and then open source.

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
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Offline evolvingape

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 05:00:34 PM »
If your asking a question like this then it suggests you have a device that is overunity. Such a device would allow energy to be provided to grow food, desalinate the ocean to provide drinking water and land irrigation, and generally remove "cost of energy" from the equation and provide a workable solution.

Here is just one estimate on the number of children dying every single day around the world:

http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-over-22000-children-died-around-the-world

A free energy device such as you describe would solve this problem and within a short time save millions of lives. Every second such technology is withheld by the inventor more children die.

You have stated a desire to become "disgustingly wealthy" from such a device. The only justification in my mind for a human being with a soul to place personal wealth over saving a single child's life is ignorance of the suffering.

Now you are not ignorant of the facts.

Can you look yourself in the mirror and honestly declare that you are happy for millions of children to die this year so long as you get a huge amount of $... ?

Hope you sleep well tonight...

RM :)

Offline neptune

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 05:20:48 PM »
A good place to start would be the self charging electric bike . This could be available and affordable to all . This is better than cheap electric cars which would add to congestion  . Second would be cheap home power and heating .

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2011, 05:44:21 PM »
Plan on forming a company that hires the best engineers and best
business people to build profitable products based on it and take
advantage of the idea.

Forget about protecting the fundamental idea.

You only need to protect it if you think you can't build such a company
and want to create a chain of protection so that companies that are
already successful can shelve the process until they are ready to use it
at their option.

If you want change, you will need to "compete" that change into place.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Offline Justsomeguy

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2011, 06:29:19 PM »
I was thinking of the JREF challenge, then simply auction the technology. It could not be supressed if everyone knows it exists and has been confirmed by JREF.
Does anyone know of another group/person as widely known or accepted as an authority?

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2011, 06:34:32 PM »
It's a tough question and one I've thought about a fair amount because I know if I ever got to the point of having a good OU device I knew it would be a lot tougher to answer that question after I got it than before I got it.  I think history has shown that few inventors have gotten rich and the ones with really valuable inventions usually get bilked out of their potential wealth by very savvy business sharks that steal it away.  So unless you have a lot of wealth or can get a very string free loan to start your own manufacturing there are not a lot of good options.  True wealth on the other hand is thought to not be in dollars and cents.  But you may not see that yet.  Look at the stories of many of the Mega Lottery winners.  Not a fun picture in many cases.  However I don't expect that will change your mind.  So I would consider an 'underground' Multi-Level marketing/building system as one possibility where everyone is tied to a contract with you and you teach people how to build and every unit built and sold you still get a percent on it.  All is spread by word of mouth.  If you really have something of value that can power a home or cars or even an appliance than word of mouth should work very well as who wouldn't want free energy?   Make sure everyone is very clear to only talk to people who they know well so it doesn't get stopped by various PTB, big energy, big oil, or nat. security.   Take it slow and careful and you could be very wealthy at some point in the future.  Of course I would really prefer you open sourced it and the very fame you would get could make you wealth in itself.  But that would also open you up to being stopped by all the entities who in the past have been able to stop all efforts at getting free energy into the publics hands.

   I'm sure there may be other plans that might work also.  But if you look at all the failures (listed somewhere around here) you'll see pages and pages of inventions that I'm sure many were working but never saw the light of day because of how they tried to get wealthy and get them out into the public. 

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2011, 07:27:47 PM »
Say that you have discovered a previously unknown property of a substance that allows you to prove overunity beyond any doubt. Repeatable and reproducible by anyone. You have used different materials, meters, gauges, and even multiple locations to rule out outside influences (I used to be a metrologist, I ran a materials testing lab, And process engineering for a major corp. trust me). Also assume that with such a breakthrough that you would like to become disgustingly wealthy. You are familiar with the laws of thermodynamics, but you also can see it with you own eyes and hold it in your hands. No input required. It just works. Linear or rotational and output is measured with "work"- force over distance.
Now you start researching patents and find out that you can't protect it. How do you make Billions from it? JREF has a million dollar prize. There are some X prizes and some oil guy. But how do you make real money with it? 
I would really like some ideas.

You can keep it for you self and make billions, and the world will continue getting worse and worse until we all die -     or somone make it available for everyone and get rid of the need to have money, money is depended on lack, free energy take away all lack. Then we can all consentrate on having fun in this universe :)

I mean come on wake up, look around, here is a whole reality around us, for us to discover!
We cant apply 20 sentry solutions in this times. Were we go now there is no room for lack.

Its time to co create.

Tommy

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
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Offline Justsomeguy

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2011, 08:46:04 PM »
The multi-level idea is good, but it wouldn't work. The whole weakest link thing. I'm sure that all the "give it away" and save "the children" people are too busy shipping food to comment more. I'm also sure they all work for free and are self sustaining to the point of not needing money anymore.( I am involved with Peacework Medical. check out their site.)
However, I still wish to be paid for my work. I also want to continue my work in other areas. So I am still asking for suggestions. Thank you for all the replies so far.

Offline vrstud

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2011, 09:28:06 PM »
If you want to make money you need to sell something. 

Depending on the power levels you can either make and sell:
- a cell phone recharger
- a flashlight without batteries.
 
I don't think selling the electricity will do you any good as the only people who will buy it are utilities.  You are better of keeping to the consumer market.  If you can scale it up you could start to sell systems to power or heat/cool homes.

That is where I would try to take it.


Offline ramset

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2011, 09:28:48 PM »
Someguy
Someguy's like money..................,someguy's come to places like an Open Source forum to "Help" change this world.

Do you go to Church and ask the Pastor how to Phornicate and not get caught??

The "catch" is "You can't get there from Here"!!

Chet

Offline Justsomeguy

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2011, 10:54:24 PM »
Valid point chet.

 

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