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Author Topic: FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here  (Read 693556 times)

Offline IronShell3d

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Rossi has given out a bit more information:

1) Fuel embodied energy = ~200 Wh/MWh (amount of energy needed to make enough fuel to produce 1 MWh of steam output). This is VERY low.

2) Fuel cost =  1EU (~1.40USD) / MWh of steam output.

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516&cpage=6#comment-106665

Burning 1 tonne of good coal will produce ~5 MWhs of steam plus ~2 tonne of CO2. Cost USD50 - 100 / tonne of coal = USD10 - 20 per MWh of steam plus carbon cost (at USD30 / tonne of CO2) of USD12 / MWh (tonne) of CO2 = USD22 - 32 / MWh of steam.

E-Cat fuel costs are ~USD1.40 / MWh of steam compared to coal fuel cost of USD22 - 32 / MWh of steam.

Coal, gas and conventional nuclear powered power stations are now relics of our industrial fire and brimstone based past. The Fat Lady has sung and Elvis has left the room.


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I happen to know John Michell personally. He has written a book on the e-cat.  He is a brilliant chemist and speaks many languages fluently. I trust his assesment of the e-cat. He says it works. PERIOD!

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I happen to know John Michell personally. He has written a book on the e-cat.  He is a brilliant chemist and speaks many languages fluently. I trust his assesment of the e-cat. He says it works. PERIOD!

As a engineer, I have no doubt it worked. 479 kWs of heat per hour would be like putting 479 x 1 kW electric heaters in a room and leaving them on for 5.5 hours. It would get hot in there. Rossi had 2 heat exchangers with big fans connected to the steam output of the ECat to get rid of the heat and return the water to a liquid state with 2 circulating pumps to return the now cooled water back into the holding tank and then back to the reaction chambers.

During the 5.5 hours of sustained operation, the heaters of the reaction chambers were not powered by the onsite gen set. They were initially powered by the gen set for about 90 minutes to get the reaction chambers up to operational temperature. After that the gen set continued to run but only to supply power to the circulating pumps and the fans of the heat exchangers.

479 kWs per hour of steam / heat for 5.5 hours, with no input power to the reaction chambers is an amazing result. Here is a link to the published test results: http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk

Rossi has also revealed the customer has taken away the 20ft container with the ECat, has orders for more and is building more.

Here is a 1 hour video of the test in which you can see the 2 heat exchangers that turned the steam back into liquid water: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcQ82zmRJHY

This might be a good time to go short on coal, gas and nuclear stocks? The price of Nickel may well be going up.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2011, 07:29:16 AM by IronShell3d »

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Offline maw2432

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I read where Deuterium, also called heavy hydrogen, may have been used instead of normal light hydrogen in the Rossi set-up.  Deuterium is very expensive and requires considerable energy to produce. 
Any thoughts on how much this would affect the cost of E-cat power generation if Deuterium was in fact Rossi's secret ingredient?   I read where a canister of Deuterium was spotted at Rossi's lab during one of the tests and was quickly dismissed by Rossi as a back-up to quench any runaway problems which made no sense as a reason to have it there. 
So what if Deuterium was the secret ingredient?  Any on know how much hydrogen Rossi used for his 5.5 hours run? 

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I read where Deuterium, also called heavy hydrogen, may have been used instead of normal light hydrogen in the Rossi set-up.  Deuterium is very expensive and requires considerable energy to produce. 
Any thoughts on how much this would affect the cost of E-cat power generation if Deuterium was in fact Rossi's secret ingredient?   I read where a canister of Deuterium was spotted at Rossi's lab during one of the tests and was quickly dismissed by Rossi as a back-up to quench any runaway problems which made no sense as a reason to have it there. 
So what if Deuterium was the secret ingredient?  Any on know how much hydrogen Rossi used for his 5.5 hours run?

The amount of H used is stated in the report I linked.
      http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk

The H tank's mass was:
13,604.5 g before the test started
13,602.8 g after the test.
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       1.7 g of H was used to produce 2,635 kWhs of thermal energy.

Stated COP was 2,635:0.

Energy drawn from the gen set, during the 5.5 hours of the self sustaining run, was 66 kWh. The reactor's pre heat heaters were switched off during this time. The 66 kWhs of energy was used by the 2 circulating pumps and the 2 heat exchanger fans.

Why did the run stop at 18:00? Probably because the purchaser was satisfied with the ECat's performance and it was time for a beer?

Rossi has also stated the reactor's "Fuel" needs to be changed after 4,320 hours (6 months at 24 hours per day of operation). At a fuel cost of USD1.40 / MWh of heat, that would be a cost of 4,320 MWhs * USD1.40 = USD6,048 or USD12,096 to produce 8,640 MWhs of steam / heat per year (assuming a 1 MW reactor running 24/7/365). With a Sterling Engine 50% heat to electricity conversion efficiency that is 4,320 MWhs of electricity per year for a fuel cost of USD12,096 = USD0.0028 / AckWh as per fuel cost.

That price is a electricity generation game changer world wide, no matter how the Rossi ECat blue box works.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2011, 02:23:07 PM by IronShell3d »

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Re: FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES ISRAEL IN NOVEMBER-- The Game Changer is BIG M
« Reply #170 on: November 01, 2011, 02:33:47 PM »
I state only that, soon here will be a new star of physics born.
It will be The-Big-M, which after reading my century old papers will tell
You not only why this "E-cat" nuclear fake is, but also only our device true
CNF (HR) is.
 ;D

The energy gain is indeed from some nuclear interaction since there is no chemical reaction that would produce the energy without much more fuel.
There are also radioactive emissions produced that are mostly contained by using the correct shielding and absorbing elements for the type of radiation emitted.
To continually insist that this is not cold fusion is to show you do not understand and also reduces the possibly that you could have a working device. So unless you have something better to show working, you should more wisely use your time building something that works and can be shown working because the time for talk is over!

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How much Nickle is consumed per MWh? And how much Copper is produced? This will only effect prices (by natural demand/supply if such existed in metals) when the quantities were really large.

Nickle is used for circulation coins I believe. Silver's price was long locked due to it being used in decent grades in coins. If the price would rise, people would bring coin money and get more paper money in return. With Nickle, unless thousands of tons are needed, I expect this to limit Nickle prices until national banks fase out such coins.


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Offline lumen

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Re: ROSSI DEVICE DON'T REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is OVER!
« Reply #172 on: November 01, 2011, 06:54:15 PM »
Simply say, it is even more dangerous as atomic power station are.
Someone has really much silly to be, to try to put this device in someones hands.
Trust me. 8)

First you say it don't work, now you say it is very dangerous because it works!
Well, scare tactics no longer work in the US. People are wise to this crap and now say "bring it".
So you should probably go hide someplace else.

Thanks for the warning.
 

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Re: IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is dead
« Reply #173 on: November 01, 2011, 08:53:19 PM »
Please read once more all my writings about.
I'm not stating that it is not working at all, but:
1. It is nothing of nuclear origin, only this as well even by coal burning, small power, nuclear reactions take place on eV level.
2. Absolutely it is nothing of CNF reaction, cos You all can not even dream about.
3. It is no fall for true selfpropelling, only till fuel change time eventually.
4. The Foccardi-Rossi team has no knowledge, as well swedish "Nobel" scientists, about anything bound with "nuke".
4. It is only plausible to use it under plausible, industrial conditions, same as by dynamite production.
5. It is extremely dangerous, cos real probability of serious accident is even higher than in fall of Space Shuttle (already abandoned).
6. Something forgotten? :P

What is the chemical reaction that you suggest that can produce over 1000/1 energy output over any known chemical and also produce serious radiation that must be shielded. All that recent energy 470,000 watt/hours generated per hour for 5.5 hours using just 1.7 grams of hydrogen.

Still the reaction was able to continue for months at this rate. Chemical? Not even close! Pleas give a SINGLE example of chemical reaction that could produce similar results! Or even 1/100 the energy!

It cannot exist! Move on!

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Re: IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is dead
« Reply #173 on: November 01, 2011, 08:53:19 PM »
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Offline IronShell3d

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How much Nickle is consumed per MWh? And how much Copper is produced? This will only effect prices (by natural demand/supply if such existed in metals) when the quantities were really large.

Rossi has not yet disclosed that but he has said the "fuel" for a 1 MW E-Cat costs EUR1 (USD1.40) and will last for 6 months of 24 hour a day operation. This would suggest the mass of the "Fuel" used is VERY low.

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Re: FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET ?-- The Game Changer is Shit.
« Reply #175 on: November 02, 2011, 03:14:55 AM »
The real energy source is the deuterium. It is why this proces goes so rapidly.
But even childs in Poland in early 70-ies knew that, lead is of no usefulness against
G radiation.
Only graphite can acumulate it properly.
But maybe in Italy or America it is today another catched?
Through empty minds, maybe? ;D

I believe you could be correct except for two points.
1: No one said that deuterium was used in the process.
2: I believe in America, Boron is used as the element to convert low speed neutrons into lower energy radiation and heat.

But it could be true that empty minds are used also, just not in America.


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Re: FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET ?-- The Game Changer is Shit.
« Reply #175 on: November 02, 2011, 03:14:55 AM »
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There is no detectable radiation when the E-Cat is running.

USD70 of fuel will power the E-Cat reactors for 12 months and produce 8,322 MWhs of heat at a plant load factor of 95%. Assuming a 40% heat to Ac kW conversion efficiency that is ~3,328,000 Ac kWhs of energy deliver per year for a fuel cost of USD70.

At 10,000 Ac kWhs per year for a average home, that is enough electricity to power around 330 homes. Fuel cost per home is then ~USD0.21 per year. If you divided the capital cost of say USD2 million across the 330 homes, the capital cost to each home would be ~USD6,000. Adding that to the cost of a new home is just pocket change.

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Here are more information about the 1 MW E-Cat test.

http://pesn.com/2011/11/02/9501943_Rossis_E-Cat_Victory_on_Cold_Fusion_Emergence_Day--E-Day/

It seems the customer's test engineer was a Nato Colonel, very experienced in thermal and steam systems, the E-Cat plant will be used to provide heat for camps in the field and this apparently was why self sustained operation with no power input was important to this customer.

Rossi has also stated the tested and accepted E-Cat has "left the building" and was taken away by the satisfied customer. He also has stated the next E-Cat is being built, the customer is US and will not operate in "Quite" mode.

This is very real. There is no scam. We are witnesses to history in the making, due to one burnt finger tip.

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How much Nickle is consumed per MWh? And how much Copper is produced? This will only effect prices (by natural demand/supply if such existed in metals) when the quantities were really large.

Nickle is used for circulation coins I believe. Silver's price was long locked due to it being used in decent grades in coins. If the price would rise, people would bring coin money and get more paper money in return. With Nickle, unless thousands of tons are needed, I expect this to limit Nickle prices until national banks fase out such coins.

Interesting,   Nickel theft is now happening. 
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/tag/nickel-theft/

Offline IronShell3d

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Spend 15 minutes watching the 3 lead off videos on this web site.

http://www.buildecat.com/

The people talking are scientists. They have measured nuclear radiation coming from their test of an earlier E-Cat reactor. Note the scientists who says he secretly tested the area and the not working E-Cat reactor for radiation BEFORE it was switched on. He found nothing. But once it was working background Gamma radiation increased about 50%. Other scientists have detected other nuclear radiation from working E-Cat reactors as well.

More and more info is coming to light. Like these guys measured 24 kW output from 1 E-Cat reactor. The 1 MW E-Cat has over a hundred reactors. That means the self sustaining demo only resulted in each reactor running at about 4 kWs output each. So is the potential output of the 1 MW reactor really more like 2.5 MWs?

What si does mean is that a domestic home would only need 1 of the E-Cat reactors to generate all the energy needed. Here is a video of the testing of 1 of the reactors used in the large 1 MW E-Cat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQXETK3iqc&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy watching the future.

 

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