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Author Topic: FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here  (Read 684763 times)

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@Everyone:
Defkalion is claiming to have exact knowledge of Rossi's reactor's secret ingredients.  Defkalion:
“I know what he’s got in the reactor, I know everything. It was a spectroscopy made by the University of Siena. (...) They tried his reactor without him understanding what they did,”

This ought to be interesting:
"Tomorrow on Wednesday November 30th, Defkalion has planned a presentation of its products, and has announced that the the technology will be certified and tested by an independent party."

Here's a link to the full article:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3353181.ece

They even claimed in the article to have improved on Rossi's technology.  Maybe some early serious competition for Rossi after all?  We'll see tomorrow...


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Chess

Hi Chess,

I read that article.  I can sympathise with Rossi's reluctance to do further business there.  lol  It's not the first time that the guys at Defkalion have claimed to 'know everything'.  He was also going to show us a working device some days back.  I wouldn't hold your breath.  And regarding that spectroscopy thing - I think it was Professor Del Giudice, in any event it was the guy who took all those instruments to that test.  He tried to get a spectroscopy reading and Rossi interrupted the tests until this was sorted.  It was reported that Rossi was 'upset'.  I got the distinct impression that Rossi 'lost it'.  In any event.  If they or even Defkalion actually KNOW the secret ingredients - then they'd be fools to 'tell all' - especially if they're setting up in competition.  Otherwise they can't 'tell all'.  So.  My guess it's just bluff and blunder.  But how WONDERFUL if I'm wrong.  Then?  Just about anyone can get into competition - which is exactly your point.

What intrigues me is this.  The minute any of those units go for sale then - at that moment Rossi releases his 'patent secrets' assuming there are any.  Surely?  One can contract with a buyer that he NEVER reveals the 'secret' - but that buyer can exercise his rights of purchase to resell should he wish to.  I'd have thought.  At which point he's exonerated from that obligation?  I have no idea if this is even half way right.  In any event.  Hopefully that means we'll get some healthy competition.  My ONLY interest is in buying a unit.  Hopefully it will be within my pocket range.  I've put my name down, in any event.

Best as ever,
Rosemary

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What intrigues me is this.  The minute any of those units go for sale then - at that moment Rossi releases his 'patent secrets' assuming there are any.  Surely?  One can contract with a buyer that he NEVER reveals the 'secret' - but that buyer can exercise his rights of purchase to resell should he wish to.

Two options:
1) There is no secret other than a common recipe (e.g. a pressure/temperature range)
2) A contract that prohibits reverse enginering and resale.

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PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL
PRESS RELEASE

Wednesday 30th November, 2011

Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012.
Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs.
Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012:

1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory
We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks.

2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory
Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for R&D on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room.

3. R&D-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications
There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global product development and R&D efforts.

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/Press_Release_30Nov2011_Praxen_Defkalion_Green_Technologies.pdf ]

Product leaflet : see attached pdf
(pretty impressive!! )

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf ]

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PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL
PRESS RELEASE

Wednesday 30th November, 2011

Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012.
Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs.
Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012:

1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory
We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks.

2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory
Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for R&D on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room.

3. R&D-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications
There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global product development and R&D efforts.

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/Press_Release_30Nov2011_Praxen_Defkalion_Green_Technologies.pdf ]

Product leaflet : see attached pdf
(pretty impressive!! )

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf ]


Golly Teslaalset

Not sure what to make of all this.  I went into their spec sheets and couldn't then copy the info to paste it here unless I was a member?  I went straight to the 'raw materials' where they published - from memory - sulphur - oxygen - nitrogen - iron and cobalt.  Are all those ingredients necessary?  And in precisely that ratio?  And I was rather perturbed at the fact that they had not yet shown a device in operation. 

In any event.  I really don't care that much.  Frankly - if I had my 'druthers' I'd sooner back Rossi.  Only because, unlike Defkalion,  he didn't first steal the technology from anyone at all.  But I think Chess is spot on.  This is just the first outright attempt at thieving the technology.  I know something about this.  And I don't think the Chinese are inclined to hold back when it comes to either applying or copying anything at all.  Which means that it's going to be ridiculous to try and patent any part of this.  I do hope so.

I must say I sympathise with Rossi for breaking ties with these guys.  They're rather blatantly unscrupulous and proud of it.  And as for those hundreds of companies from 60 odd countries - that are apparently 'beating a path to their door'?  It would have been nice to disclose which companies exactly.  That, after all, was demanded of Rossi.  One hopes they're not setting this up to discredit the technology.

Anyway.  It'll be interesting.  But I'm only going to follow this progress when they show us that working demonstration. Until then I'll just see where Rossi's going with all this.   

Regards,
Rosemary




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Golly Teslaalset

Not sure what to make of all this.  I went into their spec sheets and couldn't then copy the info to paste it here unless I was a member?  I went straight to the 'raw materials' where they published - from memory - sulphur - oxygen - nitrogen - iron and cobalt.  Are all those ingredients necessary?  And in precisely that ratio?  And I was rather perturbed at the fact that they had not yet shown a device in operation. 

In any event.  I really don't care that much.  Frankly - if I had my 'druthers' I'd sooner back Rossi.  Only because, unlike Defkalion,  he didn't first steal the technology from anyone at all.  But I think Chess is spot on.  This is just the first outright attempt at thieving the technology.  I know something about this.  And I don't think the Chinese are inclined to hold back when it comes to either applying or copying anything at all.  Which means that it's going to be ridiculous to try and patent any part of this.  I do hope so.

I must say I sympathise with Rossi for breaking ties with these guys.  They're rather blatantly unscrupulous and proud of it.  And as for those hundreds of companies from 60 odd countries - that are apparently 'beating a path to their door'?  It would have been nice to disclose which companies exactly.  That, after all, was demanded of Rossi.  One hopes they're not setting this up to discredit the technology.

Anyway.  It'll be interesting.  But I'm only going to follow this progress when they show us that working demonstration. Until then I'll just see where Rossi's going with all this.   

Regards,
Rosemary

@All:
I'm with Rosemary.  Without a demonstration of a working device, it's not really worth following.  It appears to me to be just a press release to keep investors from losing faith and possibly attract new ones.  It reminds me of the Orbo minus the working device. 

The Orbo technology would appear to hold more promise but as of yet, they have not offered a product for sale.  Just years of "It works...".  And if they really do have a legitimate technology, then it would be very silly for them to continue to sit on it indefinitely.

I'm not very picky when it comes to over unity.  I am willing to purchase any over unity device so long as it works and the manufacturer is willing to allow me to verify a working device in person (which is what Rossi is allowing).


Regards,

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Don't shoot the messenger, I am only forwarding the latest news.
Frankly, I don't care about this commercial fight, I rather like to look at the bigger picture here.
It's clear that something very relevant is boiling here. Literally.
The fact that there is already a serous competitor shows that it's even more proove Rossi is not a one off scammer.
There will be much more public fights on this soon.
That's always the case when it involves big amounts of money.

But that's only minor news.
The main thing is that something will change the global energy landscape in a very rapid paste.
And even that may be the beginning of other area's of new developments.
Once this process is understood, more spectacular things will happen.

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Don't shoot the messenger, I am only forwarding the latest news.
Frankly, I don't care about this commercial fight, I rather like to look at the bigger picture here.
It's clear that something very relevant is boiling here. Literally.
The fact that there is already a serous competitor shows that it's even more proove Rossi is not a one off scammer.
There will be much more public fights on this soon.
That's always the case when it involves big amounts of money.

But that's only minor news.
The main thing is that something will change the global energy landscape in a very rapid paste.
And even that may be the beginning of other area's of new developments.
Once this process is understood, more spectacular things will happen.

I agree with you.  It's all good.  I actually answered this and lost the post.  Is there something wrong with the connectivity here with OU.com.  It's been rather brittle - all day.  Off and on.

Anyway - as you say Teslaalset - everything's moving in the right direction and AT PACE.  What could be better.  Surprisingly little attention from our forum members though. 

Regards,
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I agree with you.  It's all good.  I actually answered this and lost the post.  Is there something wrong with the connectivity here with OU.com.  It's been rather brittle - all day.  Off and on.

Anyway - as you say Teslaalset - everything's moving in the right direction and AT PACE.  What could be better.  Surprisingly little attention from our forum members though. 

Regards,
Rosemary

@Rosemary:
I find this way too obvious to ignore or dismiss as well.  The little attention this revolutionary technology is getting is very ironic for an "over unity" forum but it may help to separate those who are genuinely here for the cause of over unity and those who are here for other purposes.

Rossi put out a statement today regarding his old crooked business partners.  Here's the link to that:
 
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1526
 
 
In my opinion, Andrea Rossi is taking all the right steps in order to advance LENR.  You have to bring it to market with protection so wealthy interests can not buy it out from underneath of you and punish anyone who replicates it because this has been the case up until Rossi.  And then there's the scams.  People who will not let you test it yourself even if you are a serious paying customer.  The previous scams have revolved around such schemes as:

·   We have to wait until we have 10,000 buyers paid up in full before we can ship the product.
·   We will ship the product in two years (and then when 2 years go by with still no delivery of the product, the shipping   date get pushed back even further).
·   Then there’s the Orbo approach.  What a wax job that is.
·   Then there's the disappearing company where the owner leaves the country with all the money and hides.

I like Rossi's business model (the test drive part especially) and his rapid advance into the commercialization stage.  At last an over unity inventor with an equally impressive business approach.
 
Regards,
 
Chess
 

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Hi Guys,

Here's what occurs to me.  I buy an E-Cat unit.  I then dismantle the system and learn how it works.  I then re-assemble the unit and go into production.  Then I make boat loads of money.  Rossi sues me.  I defend the action - but a Court Order determines that I must pay Rossi what?  The patent protects 'not' the knowledge 'but' the right to enrichment from that knowledge.  The most patent holders earn is 3% or thereby of net profits - or, where it can be pre-negotiated - gross profits. If a court rules that this is owing then  I'd pay it gladly.  ALSO.  Even if it didn't go to court I'd gladly pay Rossi - in advance - lest it go to Court. 

As I understand it - right now there is no law that prevents the 'duplication' of any technology.  But I also know that provisional patents carry something like a year's absolute INTERNATIONAL protection to ensure that there's time to 'cover' the technology adequately and to let everyone argue their prior knowledge claims. The weakness of this technology is that there's no 'reasonable' explanation within the standard model.  Their 'best shot' is to argue a weak nuclear reaction.  But that does not allow for the transmutation of elements without some emissions.  Bottom line they're going to argue the 'theory' in support of the evidence.  The question is does that negate the force of the patent?  I doubt it.  Because the Law MUST protect the working technology regardless.  Isn't there a lawyer reading here who could comment?

Think about it.  The Wright brothers - to the best of my knowledge - did not patent their planes.  But they were flown well in advance of the 'theory' in support of it.  The atom bomb was developed when the question related to the feasibility of 'splitting the atom' was still raging in and out of academic circles.  The assumption had been that the transmutation of elements first needed the improbable access to a power source equal to the force of a super nova.  And then there's the final problem.  Which is this.  The only thing, to the best of my knowledge - that CANNOT be patented - is a natural force.  In other words - technically NO-ONE will be able to patent LENR - or call it what you like - technology.  All that can be patented is the idiosyncratic use of catalytic materials - or those materials that can sustain this process.  We also know that there have been results - albeit not that dramatic - with the use of palladium and deuterium.  Rossi is using nickle and hydrogen.  Who is to say that someone wont find other and better 'mixes'.  And there is NO way that Rossi can patent the full 'gamut'.   Nor can he patent LENR. 

To my way of thinking - there is going to a harvest of variations to this.  And hopefully each one will come with a different producer.  And each one will, quite possibly, carry it's own rights to patent.  What we all need to keep in mind is this.  Rossi has made his technology PUBLIC.  That's really big.  I know the poor guy has been the victim of jealous self-interests in his previous business ventures with Petroldragon.  That was a public humiliation.  And his subsequent exoneration from guilt was - for reasons best known to our media - made considerably LESS public.  This new venture of his is 'in the face' of those detractors.  Retrospectively - it is highly likely to all become the absolute FINAL VINDICATION.  I'm sure that for this reason alone - Rossi would be out of reach of anyone who bribes him to 'bury' his technology.

But more the point.  Rossi would know that this technology comes with some considerable risk of competition.  And I'm absolutely satisfied that he does not care.  There's obviously more than enough money to go around.  He's got a head start.  And it's very likely that his own 'personal mix' is cheap enough and abundant enough to ensure its continued use.  Quite apart from which, the guy is very obviously COURAGEOUS and INVENTIVE.  That's big in my book.  So.  Give me a choice between an E-Cat or anything else on the market, then I'll go E-cat.  The guy is already a legend in my book.  Golly.  He's come up with the FINAL SOLUTION to our rather heavy dependencies on energy.  WHAT A STAR.

Sorry to go on and on.  But it's SUCH a WONDERFUL SUBJECT.

Kindest
Rosemary

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@Rosemary:
I find this way too obvious to ignore or dismiss as well.  The little attention this revolutionary technology is getting is very ironic for an "over unity" forum but it may help to separate those who are genuinely here for the cause of over unity and those who are here for other purposes.

Rossi put out a statement today regarding his old crooked business partners.  Here's the link to that:
 
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1526
 
 
In my opinion, Andrea Rossi is taking all the right steps in order to advance LENR.  You have to bring it to market with protection so wealthy interests can not buy it out from underneath of you and punish anyone who replicates it because this has been the case up until Rossi.  And then there's the scams.  People who will not let you test it yourself even if you are a serious paying customer.  The previous scams have revolved around such schemes as:

·   We have to wait until we have 10,000 buyers paid up in full before we can ship the product.
·   We will ship the product in two years (and then when 2 years go by with still no delivery of the product, the shipping   date get pushed back even further).
·   Then there’s the Orbo approach.  What a wax job that is.
·   Then there's the disappearing company where the owner leaves the country with all the money and hides.

I like Rossi's business model (the test drive part especially) and his rapid advance into the commercialization stage.  At last an over unity inventor with an equally impressive business approach.
 
Regards,
 
Chess

Quite right Chess.  I absolutely agree with this.  Regarding the 'lack of interest'.  Actually your thread is well read.  Just not that well subscribed.  But what is absolutely BEWILDERING is that there's NOTHING on our other 'energy'.com type forums.  What gives?  I think the real problem is that everyone here was rather hoping to 'lead' with the evidence.  And their hopes - for reasons better understood by themselves -  are not quite 'dead'.   ;D   They should be.  The IDEAL technology seems to be to hand.

Either that or they're actually more interested in testing and discussing than in finding a solution.  OR - God forbid - they're in that number who simply debate the evidence.  No intended progression EVER.  OR.  A combination of the above.  I must say.  This rather puts paid to developing anything at all beyond what Rossi has got.  I know that's my take on all this.  The man's clearly an experimental GENIUS.  But it does rather put our own efforts into the shade somewhat.  And by that I mean the work of just about everyone on these forums.  Not that they're not of value.  I think that this over unity drive of ours - has certainly played its part in the development of awareness.  And I know that, deep down, we were all compelled to add our bit to that pool of knowledge.  But I also think we've now got a solution worthy of our very best reach here. 

What I do expect now though is that someone will put together that perpetual motion motor that's eluded us all thus far.  Wouldn't that be grand?  Then we've tackled the energy problem from every possible angle.  That would be the most elegant solution yet.  A magnet that keeps spinning - and keeps generating an electric current.  NO INPUT REQUIRED.  LOL.  And better yet - how about anti gravity machines?  LENR technology isn't going to advance that.  Plenty work still needed. 

 ;D   

So.  The challenges keep coming. 
As ever,
Rosemary

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Rosemary,
Most of us are fully aware of this technology. It's just that we can do nothing about it. It contains secrets never to be disclosed  in the form of a catalyst. Also it's not available. There are 7 billion people in the world. I'd probably be dead by the time he gets round to me. Rossi is going the way of the globalist wether he likes it or not. Does he produce a 6 KW unit first? No he does not. He goes for megawatts. What's next? Gigawatts? Tesla went the same way even though he was a genius. However, there's a real possibility on other forums of inventors open sourcing now they know the game is up. The most interesting so far is the Kapanadze forum. Things appear to be happening with replicators realising the game is up. They either open source and become folk heroes or disappear into obscurity. I think you should carry on developing your heater! There's room for variety in the world.
BTW if Rossi carries on with megawatts, it'll go the way of all big business. Water is free. Is your water bill fee? Niagara is a source of "free energy". Do the subscribers get cheap electricity? Once the big boys and the banks move in, they benefit and we lose. Generating your own power and getting rid of big brother is the aim of most of us. I hope this makes the apparent apathy clearer.
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Rosemary,
Most of us are fully aware of this technology. It's just that we can do nothing about it. It contains secrets never to be disclosed  in the form of a catalyst. Also it's not available. There are 7 billion people in the world. I'd probably be dead by the time he gets round to me.

Golly a.king.  That's a tad defeatist.  I don't think, as I've said, that you can keep the catalyst secret once the technology is sold.  And if chess is half way right - which I'm sure he is - there's going to some pretty robust competition.  I wouldn't be quite so down beat here. 

And once we've got competition then there'll be no stopping it.

Plenty to look forward to - I'm sure.

 ;) :D
Kindest regards,
Rosemary 

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Hello guys, Chess, everyone,

I've managed to reach Rossi.  Have forwarded the papers and have followed up with a synopsis.

The link's here.
http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/2011/12/204-at-last.html

Now I just pray I'll hear more from him.

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Hello guys, Chess, everyone,

I've managed to reach Rossi.  Have forwarded the papers and have followed up with a synopsis.

The link's here.
http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/2011/12/204-at-last.html

Now I just pray I'll hear more from him.

@Rosemary:
Good going!  I know he's a very busy man right now (changing the world and all) but he does take time out to respond and make statements. 


Chess

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@Rosemary:
Good going!  I know he's a very busy man right now (changing the world and all) but he does take time out to respond and make statements. 


Chess

Indeed he's busy.  Apparently does 18 hour a day.  Am over the moon that he's responded.  I'll let you know what gives. 

It's all good Chess.
 ;D

 

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