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Offline Magluvin

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This might blow your mind
« on: March 12, 2012, 02:36:00 AM »
Does anyone remember Zeropoint132 and his Alien Technology Self running no bearing Bedini style motor?  The sphere on the convex glass mirror. The 4000 turn bifi, 26 ga and 30 ga with read and a couple diodes, led and a 10uf cap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwBtBEaZ7B4&feature=plcp&context=C49769bfVDvjVQa1PpcFNZCEFI5qbjh1wxIzfQnKhfqu73FNj-COg%3D

Z  was told not asked to take down the vids with the schematics, and were replaced by just 1 vid, no schematic.

Ive had a few people ask about that since aug 2009.

It was a thread here. Cant find a trace of it. I pm'ed Wilby on this back then, and I cannot access my 1st page of messages, of which would have included that pm. 9 pages of messages and the 1st is not accessible. It would contain messages in that time frame around Aug 2009, when the vid above was posted.

Nothing to be found in search. Its all gone. It was a topic here. Wilby was the one that got a copy of the schematic before they made Z take it down at YT and posted it on the thread.

At Fizzx.org, No trace of it there either. I was involved with Axle in his replication on that. All gone.

I still talk to Z. Last year he had a stroke. He doesnt have the desire for this stuff anymore, and mostly sends me jokes and funny pics anymore.
Before the stroke, he was doing experiments on bifi, trifi and well, 4fii.  And posted vids showing the differences. Then stroke.

Can I see a show of hands that believe it is all a coincidence?

Call me paranoid, then take a hike.  ;]

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This might blow your mind
« on: March 12, 2012, 02:36:00 AM »

Offline Magluvin

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 03:20:14 AM »
Finally did a Yahoo search

This is from Energetic with the schematics

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Selfrunningmagmotor.jpg

And a reference to Z and a posting of the drawing again, but the part about the replication I cannot find.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Selfrunningmagmotor.jpg

And found 2 of my more recent posts just posting of his motor, but nothing from back then. I also checked to see how far back other post are here and many are before that date, so its not like it is old stuff that is cut because of age.

And Fizzx hasnt had any activity in a long time. I heard that OC died. So I dont think anyone is maintaining the site.

Mags

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 03:21:26 AM »
Maybe he can send you all his stuff and notes?  Then you could reproduce it and see what happens??

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 03:25:21 AM »
Hmm, did a copy link location at energetic and only got the pix. here is the page

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4026-one-magnet-no-bearing-bedini-motor-21.html


This one shows both schematics. ;]

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9481-small-mag-motor-demo.html

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 03:27:27 AM »
Maybe he can send you all his stuff and notes?  Then you could reproduce it and see what happens??

Z and I had conversed a lot, but he would always say that he could not talk about those circuits.  Kinda like Romero. :o

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 04:27:52 AM »
I had never built the circuit. I had issues with the differences in the 2 schematics and decided to wait and see if someone else tried it.

But Now, I have some interest, wondering what is going on since then. It seems more worthy of investigation now, if there was any hanky panky going on with killing threads and missing pm pages of the time this was going on. :o

The schem with the magnet shown, the 2 coils are in parallel with a diode on 1 of the leads from coil to coil. The other schem, blue and red coils, the coils are in series with the diode at the coil to coil connection.

So once built, each way is easy to configure.

I dont remember nor can I access what Axle tried in his replication.

I also had thought issues about what happens while the mag is in motion.

There are 2 poles, N and S. When we think about the diode, each pole pass will give a different operation in the circuit. But the reed, would it not activate during each pole pass? So what is happening with a N pass and a reed closure, and a S pass with reed closure. That diode on the coils is going to alter what is going on with one pole pass to the next.  So it is possible that the reed closes for one pole pass and really isnt doing anything, and is on the other.  So it made me wonder if a rotor with all N or S might be more advantageous. Dunno.  Just trying to understand it.
Or did the bifi coils capacitance(4000 turns) might be charging on one pole pass, and  delivering drive with the other pole pass.



Mags



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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 06:32:22 AM »
Hey Mags,
   Thanks for creating this topic.  Lets hope ZP or others can shed some light on the schematic and the properties in which it works. 
 
-L.
 

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 07:13:29 AM »
Hey Mags,
   Thanks for creating this topic.  Lets hope ZP or others can shed some light on the schematic and the properties in which it works. 
 
-L.

Hey Lefty

Its been since 2009, Z aint talkin.  Since the stroke, its just been casual talk, as he seems to be done with all this stuff.

But as I see it, there really isnt that much to invest in trying it. I have the 26ga, just need to get some 30ga. and the mag. It was an N42 1 in. dia if I remember correctly. I know it wasnt an N52 as we had discussed this back at Fizzx. Some stuff I remember clearly from back then. I think the bobbin was 3 in. length. maybe Energetic has some of those details.

I gota get to sleep here soon. Spring forward has me in its clutches. ;]


Also, the core was just iron finishing nails not even packed tight but loose and closed it off with a rubber cap at the ends of the bobbins core openings. One of his early vids had shown this.

Mags

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 07:17:19 AM »
One more thing, Z said that he only went off of the schematics and lots of fine tuning of the coil, mag and reed position. the vid shows those approximations.  ;]

If I remember more, I will post it. 

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 08:51:21 AM »
I was banned from OUR tonight. Got an email stating the reasons.
But MileHigh is communicating to me from there as he made a thread on my topic here. I wont post it here in respect for the person that banned me for doing so yesterday. So if interested, those that want to read the other half of my postings in reference to the thread at our, can go there and do so, when I reply here to MH on this, to get the whole story ;]  I guess MH is banned here.

MH, Z and I are friends. We didnt become really good friends till some time after the incident he claimed happened. From there forward I was never really sure if it worked. But always thought of it. Over the past 2 years if I honestly felt him to be a liar or cheat of any kind, I would not state the friendship as I do. ;)

Of what we did discuss of it, I believe he didnt really know how exactly it worked. I will admit that, even though it is good for your case against me.  ;) Because that is who I am.

Yet you are, and can only speculate a battery was involved, so it holds no water. Yet. Or really ever till you show proof of it. Can you?
One of those is his redraw and explanation and the other is what he found.

As I remember it, the one with the mag shown is the one that got him in the problem he got stuck in. He later did the redraw as people were asking a lot of questions and he thought that the redraw gave a better idea of how the coils should be and adding color to distinguish which was which, before the take down. 

But just like anything else in this business we are in, the only way to know is to do it. A sim will not tell us anything here. It has to be made. And the difficulty level is not  a mile high really. ;] So trying is not a huge waste for most. Compare it to Romeros motor, or Bruce's miles of wire tpu. This one is simple really

He had no real specs as to the core, spindle size and such. And maybe he got lucky, ya know. maybe not, just as you say. I cannot deny that there is a possibility of faking it. But investigating is what we should be all about and not just give and  accept speculation till all has been done to prove it one way or another.

I had asked him periodically about the details, but he did not tell one way or the other. At the time of the "alleged" take down notice, he was scared. He said he had never been through anything like that before and didnt want it again.  Eventually I respected that. Harvey Had talked with him also back then of this. Maybe he can shed some light on it also.

What has me thinking more positively on it is the strange disappearance of my 1st page of pm's here at OU that I cannot access (Read about that in above posts). When I click the "1" for the first page, it just brings me back to the last. All other pages are retrievable.  And page 1 is where it would be on that subject. Gone. The whole page.

And the thread here for it is gone. The posts at Fizzx with Axles replication are gone.
And on top of that, Z said he was told not asked to remove the vids with the schematics. Harvey should remember this stuff also, hopefully.

Its just a big hunch MH, Ill admit.

Z wasnt really good with electronics he admitted. He just experimented with simple stuff. He followed the schematic for the coil 1 diode, 1 reed, 1 cap and 1 led. He had some ideas as to how he thought it worked, and we had argued some times on these things. But we remained good friend always. I was just in PM earlier stating the same things before I had looked for the , what are now missing, threads and PMs.
I had even argued the same points as you back then about the differences between the 2 different drawings.  I dont really care for either explanations. Too vague and some nonsense.  But we wont know till it is built for sure. You should know this to be fact.

We will have to see what comes of it. Just giving up on speculation is not enough to deter me. Otherwise, then we should just shut all this down M. Our, Ou, energetic, just shut the doors. Otherwise, these are the kind of things that these forums are here for. Over Unity "Research" should give a hint to that. ;] Reasearch would never get us anywhere if we just talked about it. Right?  ;]

So follow if you wish. I have no problems with that. ;]

Mags

This is one of the things that Z sent me the other day.  We dont really discuss tech much since the stroke.   Where is the cat.   ;]

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 06:02:37 PM »
Hey Mags,  Sorry to hear about all that.   I'll share a few opinions on some of that.  I think you should ask Stefen about the missing pages here.  It's not the first time things have gone missing and the forum database here seems a bit flaky at times.   I do feel it would be unusual for anyone to get threatened over a little setup like he had and especially if he didn't really know how it worked.  Although I suppose if the principle behind it could have lead to much bigger things easily then those PTB might have wanted to eliminate any possibility.  I personally had dismissed it as fake and I usually tend to think most things I see at first are real.  Maybe my intuition was wrong but that's how it felt.  If it was fake then taking the route of saying you were threatened takes away all the weight of showing any more about it or doing more demo's.  Do you know how old zero is?  Just curious as looking at his hands in the pic lead me to think he is not that old and strokes usually don't happen to most people younger than 50's or so unless they are really on a hardcore MacFries diet. 
    Can't imagine you getting banned anywhere but hey it was full moon the last couple days PLUS it was and still is big time Solar Flares hitting the planet here.  I know both of those can get people agitated.  I think they said the first one hitting around the 9th was the biggest in about 5 years - an X-5 and then a couple more straight at Earth the 10th and 11th.  When the magnetic field gets hammered it does some effect people. 

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Re: This might blow your mind
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 06:34:35 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySqz7Hgpkk

the schematic is in the video clip. (no mib have contacted me to take it down. i wish they would ;) they haven't come and taken my SEC that runs without batteries either...)


sorry to hear they banned you. i'm not really surprised. if you don't believe in what the 'axis' powers believe... well, you know...   talk about the hoax of the tpu all you want, but not bedini... ::)

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 07:38:44 PM »
Don't waste your pity. He got what he asked for.

Notice he didn't tell you why he got banned? It's because he said and did something stupid and unforgivable at OUR:

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And this is your opinion on free energy?  So this site is just a mockery of FE?

Actually I suspected this a while ago. Now I know.

Mags

He took something I said out of context and obviously didn't understand what was said. Then he posted this here at OU in an effort to make OUR look as though we do not support FE research. Once I corrected him, he had nothing to say, so I must assume he realized his error.

This is what he took out of context and posted:
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What does "suckered into the free energy industry" mean to you?

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To be convinced or lured in by false, wishful, or money-making pretenses.

So there you have the full story. Magluvin had no desire to be at OUR, except to undermine OUR integrity. And he claims that we or I do not support FE research. He is flat out WRONG!

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2012, 08:05:51 PM »
Don't waste your pity.
don't sweat it poynt...
i waste all sorts of pity on you, milehigh and several others... i can spare some for mags, you won't get neglected. ;)

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2012, 10:57:54 PM »
don't sweat it poynt...
i waste all sorts of pity on you, milehigh and several others... i can spare some for mags, you won't get neglected. ;)

Thanks bud, nice to know you still care.  :-*

I've always got some pity set aside for you and folks like Magluvin too  ;) (not for mags this time though  >:( ).

 

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