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Webby1's Pendulum
« on: May 10, 2012, 03:36:15 PM »
   @All,
 This is an idea Tom thought of. I took the liberties of cleaning it up a bit for him.
One thing that has come to my mind is this is something I can have a go with
while I am working on my own Bessler build. Tom did wonder if his idea was
a Bessler wheel. Since I would have an active interest in this (building it), I
would have to keep my opinion out of it as I would be biased.
 I have sent a link to this thread to Webby1. If he gives the go ahead, then I'll
start doing some preliminary builds to see how it might be built.
 Until then,
                 Jim
p.s. this time I rembered the pic  ;)

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Webby1's Pendulum
« on: May 10, 2012, 03:36:15 PM »

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Re: Webby1's Pendulum
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2012, 05:30:28 PM »
Please feel free to do with this what you wish.


The concept is the important part of this to me, not so much the method, there are many ways of doing things.

  Thanks Tom.
 What I like is the use of scissors shows where OU is possible. And to link the different things together the way you did I think is something special. Can't wait to get started on this  :)
 
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edited to add;  @All, where overunity has a chance of working is when the weight is lifted/hoisted by the pendulum.
 If the scissors are fully extended by the weight at it's bottom, then when the scissors are opened by pulling the middle pivots of the top section, this can happen; if each lever of the scissors is 5 inches, then by opening them with a movement of 3 1/2 inches, each half section will have a lift of 1 1/2 inches. With 2 complete scissors, that is a lift of 6 inches with a movement of 3 1/2 inches.
 It might not be necessary to use the full potential/range of motion to keep a pendulum swinging. This is where it would go from being overunity to being perpetual motion.
 
edited to add; Tom, I might be able to have a basic demonstration built this weekend. It would be 2 opposing levers attached to the scissors.
Then if the 2 weighted levers drop 3 1/2 inches lifting the scissors 4 1/2 inches, this could be understood; if a total of 40 ounces lifts a total of 32 ounces, then w = m * d would give the lift at about 4.2 inches. That would be equivalent work. What most would over look is that the 2 levers woould be moving. Whewn w = m * d shows an overage, the prime movers should not be moving and if they are accelerating, then that shows even more potential. First things first I guess and showing actual potential should be first.
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Re: Webby1's Pendulum
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2012, 09:28:05 PM »
   Tom,
 With a pendulum that is about 20 inches long, @ 30 degrees, it would have 2.68 inches of drop.
With a side wise  movement of about 3.5 inches and a lift up to 6 inches, the drop of the pendulum can be about
4 3/4 inches. I'll be able to do the math later but what I'll do is divide 4.75 by .134 and that should give an approximate length the pendulum would need to be to have a 30 degree swing from bottom center.
With a 45 degree swing, then 4.75 would be divided by .707. Might be better.
 And because the side wise movement will be by a pulley hoisting it, a gear box will most likely need to be built consisting of a few pulleys to have the proper range of motion (the drop as it swings) for the pendulum and the weight being lifted.
                               
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Re: Webby1's Pendulum
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2012, 09:28:05 PM »
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Re: Webby1's Pendulum
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2012, 01:20:48 PM »
   @All,
 I've pretty much thought out most of the engineering for this. But it's a pendulum which would probably best be made out of some type of metal. Even so, a working prototype could be worth some money.
 Who knows, maybe Protech might take an interest in this. I think there might be a fairly simple catch and release system for the weight on the scissors. That would be the most difficult detail.
 Lifting something is easy enough. There are 2 different ways that could work easy enough. When lifting the line fr the weight,  it slides over the gear that transfers power to the pendulum. When released, a tensioner if needed would hold it against the gear so it puts it's weight on the gear transfering force back into the system.
 I'll have a procedure on Monday to see if I'll need another surgery besides the one already planned so will get done what I can this weekend to show how the scissors can work. After that, as I mentioned, maybe Protech would give this a thought. And if it works, it could be worth everyone's while.

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Re: Webby1's Pendulum
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 08:14:27 AM »
@All,
This idea Webb1 came up with of using scissors could work.
 Using leveqage to lift something is not new.
 Using scissors to amplify the height something being lifted is.
 Cause and effect.

          Jim

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Re: Webby1's Pendulum
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