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Offline travin69

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Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« on: July 19, 2012, 12:09:58 AM »
Just wanted to start this thread so I have somewhere to post my group's results as we build our overunity motor.

Current Status:

- Group has 4 members, a mechanical engineer, nuclear engineer/chemist (that's me), systems engineer, and a magnetic guru.
- We have done the math behind the electrical coil design, optimized it for power and lowest power, and are currently building test models and soliciting for design ideas from the forum.
- Motor design is agreed upon.  It will be a piston type design with a 95% efficiency for converting linear motor to rotary motion.
- Magnets are in an attraction arrangement as this is more powerful than repulsion and less abusive on the magnets (this may change as we progress).
- We capture the inductive kick from the coil when it is de-energized and use it to increase power of the motor directly (small loses are inevitable).
- Overall motor design is also designed for minimal magnetic material (due to China's hording of rare earth materials).

We will measure power input and power output as follow:

Power input will be real time volts, amps, watthours, and watts based on the input from the battery, BEFORE any electrical components
Power output will be real time volts, amps, watthours, and watts from a resistive load placed on generator that is run from the output of the motor.
These will then be compared to each other with overunity considered reached with the power output is higher than the power input.

That is all for now.  Everyone keep up the good work and lets free the world of energy dependence on oil.

Regards,

Daniel

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 12:57:13 AM »
@Daniel:

Sounds like you have a promising group! I hope you can start posting photos of your build as well as test results soon.

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2012, 04:22:38 AM »
I will be.  I have built a test motor already, though not of the final design.  Just finishing up the test generator build to place a load on it.  The current motor design is a rotary style motor with the magnets operating via repulsion.  It works on 24 volts pulsed dc.  I am trying to make it work via attraction for extra power.  I will post some pictures of the build and the power in/out in the coming weeks.

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 04:52:10 AM »
Sounds great Daniel,  I too am working on PM/EM motor/generator design in the planning stages at this time.  Hope you have great success and can post some videos/photos/schematics soon!

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 03:48:10 AM »
Update #1:

Wound the coils in bifilar manner; windings are parallel.  Each coil is 1000 turns, 9.1 Ohms.  My goal was to create the same number of Ampere turns with less resistance and lowered voltage.  What I discovered is that I was way wrong about how it would actually work.  So this is for all those aspiring folks out there: Powering the 2 coils in parallel DOES NOT double the turns just because you have two coils wound together, it only allows more current flow at the same voltage because of the lowered resistance.  Winding bifilar coils and connecting them in parallel is the same as using a larger gauge wire.

With this letdown under my belt there is a silver lining, sorta.  Powering them in series does make a stronger electromagnet.  Not sure why yet but it does.  This assertion is based on force measurements I made between the bifilar coil and a single strand wound coil.  And according to Tesla's patent, it allows extra storage of "magnetic" field energy (2X when compared to a single strand coil of the equivalent turns), though I have not verified this, if Tesla says it, it must be true.

Received my new core material.  It is magnetic core iron bar stock, 99.5% iron.  Testing it out this weekend.  Supposedly markedly more powerful than using 1018 CRS as my core.

Other idea I am trying is a "barbell" type core.  Based on the force equation for electromagnets and coils, force increases based on the face area of the poles.  So, I have a 1" piece of 1018 CRS.  I am going to leave the face at 1" and turn the center down to .5" to see if that will have any affect on the performance.  That is also being tested this weekend.

Finally sourced the ball joints for the piston motor.  Found them at Lowes.  They are used on the steering rods for lawnmowers.

Timing circuit for the coils is finished and tested.  It was much easier than I expected.  Just used a timing wheel to interupt a IR diode that provides the gate voltage to a NPN transistor.  Works great and has a fast response time for multiple pulses per revolution.

Added method that allows the motor to use the flyback voltage from the main coils.  The voltage is now used to increase the power the motor, instead of wasting the energy through a flyback protection diode.

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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 06:27:24 PM »
travin69,  If you would like the input of a real genius on electric motors who understands where they started going wrong over 130 years ago look on energeticforum.com for UFOPolitics message threads regarding 'Assymetric motors'.  That message thread alone may have some insights for you and he can be very helpful with questions.  He apparently worked designing motors in aerospace industry IIRC and has patents on several of his designs.  He has hands on experience rebuilding many hundreds of motors to an assymetric design that yields very interesting results.   Note that one particular thread got a little crazy for a day or two but has returned to sensible helpful messages now with many people building and following his work here:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/showthread.php?t=11885

I think you may find some tidbits in there.  I've been following alternate energy research for over 20 years and have never seen anyone else with his level of understanding with motors. 

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 03:26:22 AM »
soliciting for design ideas from the forum.

Regards,

Daniel

Hi Daniel,

below is a link to a electric motor design I have come up with close to 3 years ago.
Free energy research guru Peter Lindemann confirmed that my design is unique.
Please feel free to experiment and use any part as long as you share your research and results.

Link to video demo Part A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYoXmDvFqQs&list=UUwXI4FD09cVYyofvzF2sUrA&index=4&feature=plcp
Link to video demo Part B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnAeIE_NWjU&list=UUwXI4FD09cVYyofvzF2sUrA&index=3&feature=plcp

Old original test video test 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHmLgXWR1U&list=UUwXI4FD09cVYyofvzF2sUrA&index=5&feature=plcp

Old original test video test 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Famr4YWBE7g&list=UUwXI4FD09cVYyofvzF2sUrA&index=4&feature=plcp

Looking forward in your tests

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 07:40:49 AM »
e2matrix:

Thanks for the info on this motor.  I really don't understand his video.  If he is an eng, he sucks at explanations, which leads me to believe that he isn't.  Also, he talks about back emf when a coil is de-energized.  That is NOT back emf.  It is flyback voltage.  From my experience, they are two different things, though that term is used "loosely" for flyback voltage.  I do appreciate the referral though and I will look at it tomorrow when I am fresh again to see if I can grasp what he is trying to do with his winding.

Gotoluc:

I have watched your video's with much joy.  I am still a little out on the coil powering the motor though, as that would defeat the overunity design, but again I haven't built one so I can't really tell one way or the other.  It should at least be more powerful as it is both attraction and repulsion at the same time.

My motor is different because I use permanent magnets on both the armature and stator.  My coils just shift the magnetic flux around to get past the sticky spots.  I let the magnets do all the work.  Gotoluc, I know you are familiar with Art Porter's design.  I took his design and enhanced it as well as combining some of RomeroUK's info as well into the mix.  All and all, it should be as efficient as I can reasonable achieve.  I have gone out of my way to maximize every possible piece of the motor for maximum output.  As stated before, I evaluate my success based on USABLE electrical output and gross electrical input.  Only when the first is greater than the latter is REAL overunity achieved (IMHO that is).

I have also recently discovered a Toshiba patent that uses permanent magnets to concentrate the magnetic force of other permanent magnets.  According to the patent, it allows smaller magnets to be used and perform as a larger magnet.  It is a very simple design and might work nicely on motor designs.

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 08:10:13 AM »
Update #2:

Received my 1" x 1" N42 cylinder magnets today in the mail.  They are awesome and very strong. 

Completed the build on the base coil assemblies, including attaching the ball joints to the back of the coil assembly to allow for freedom of movement. They are ready to be installed onto the motor back plate.

Cut my two end plates for the motor from 1" thick MDF.  12" x 12" square.  Drilled holes for the support screws, the output shaft pillow block bearing assembly, and the flexible shaft guide.

Puchased the flexible shaft needed to guide the piston drive assembly.

I have 2 more coils to wind.  They will be 1" - 1.5" diameter with a 0.5" core, 26AWG single wire, 100ft long (or whatever I can fit on the bobbin).

All in all, this baby should be running this weekend pending some unforeseen hurdle.  Once it is fully running, it will be tesing time. Let the fun begin.

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 08:28:58 AM »
Hi, travin69
If yours is a piston type design, there is such one with some info on the net: just google "Troy Reed".

Edit;
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Surge_Motor_Technology_by_Troy_Reed
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 02:55:09 PM »
Thanks Qwert.  I have known of him for some a few years.  He was a fraud looking to extort.  I am trying to make something that can do some good in the world.

Yes, my motor design is a piston type motor.  I built a rotary type as well for my proof of concept and it worked well enough for me that I felt comfortable spending a few more dollars to build a bigger unit.

I have a few design changes on my piston motor.  I don't use a crankshaft to convert the linear motion to rotary motion.  This is due to the fact that torque is based on crank angle which is not optimal until several degrees after the piston has reached and passed TDC.  As the piston moves further away from the main coil after top dead center, the magnetic repulsion has decreased exponentially, thus, you get lower power and lost potential.  I am using a swash-plate type piston engine.  This eliminates all crank angles and maintains the optimal torque arm for max torque throughout each stroke.  It also allows the motor to be built with cheaper materials as the only forces on the pistons are compression, which most metals have an extremely high tolerance for compression stress.

I also capture the flyback voltage via my personally designed RC snubber circuit and use it to further increase the output power of the motor.  Based on some tests that I and other's helping with this build have done, I feel that this is the best use of the power.  Many people try to put it back into the battery, which I don't agree with as it is too hard to measure that "power" other than with calculations.  I as well can't measure that power directly, but I can measure it indirectly via the change in output power using the snubber circuit as compared to a snubber diode or an RCD snubber circuit.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2012, 03:49:23 PM »
Gotoluc:

I have watched your video's with much joy.  I am still a little out on the coil powering the motor though, as that would defeat the overunity design, but again I haven't built one so I can't really tell one way or the other.  It should at least be more powerful as it is both attraction and repulsion at the same time.

My motor is different because I use permanent magnets on both the armature and stator.  My coils just shift the magnetic flux around to get past the sticky spots.  I let the magnets do all the work.  Gotoluc, I know you are familiar with Art Porter's design.  I took his design and enhanced it as well as combining some of RomeroUK's info as well into the mix.  All and all, it should be as efficient as I can reasonable achieve.  I have gone out of my way to maximize every possible piece of the motor for maximum output.  As stated before, I evaluate my success based on USABLE electrical output and gross electrical input.  Only when the first is greater than the latter is REAL overunity achieved (IMHO that is).

I have also recently discovered a Toshiba patent that uses permanent magnets to concentrate the magnetic force of other permanent magnets.  According to the patent, it allows smaller magnets to be used and perform as a larger magnet.  It is a very simple design and might work nicely on motor designs.

Hi Daniel,

thanks for the reply and extra details of your motor design and yes, I am familiar with Art Porter's design http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqzGnuuQ8lY&list=UUxgVPQxTkyUoxulCzSFPf2w&index=1&feature=plcp

As you may have observed in my video demo, I am using both poles of the electromagnet coil. When I say both poles, I'm not talking about the poles on each ends of the coil, what I'm talking about is I have found through my experiments that there's also 2 poles created between the inner and outer sides of an electromagnet coil.
This explains why Art Porter has found and doesn't understand that by using a smaller diameter magnet his motor work better than using a larger diameter magnet. If the magnet is larger than the half way point of the coil it's now fighting the opposite pole that starts at the half way point of a coil.
I believe Art's design could be improved by using both SIDE poles of the electromagnet coil. The permanent magnet could be embedded in a metal cup which would redirect its opposite pole forward all around the half way point of the perimeter of the coil.  Maybe the results could double as the coils external side field could be used.

Test it for yourself, use a coil with a center core and add core material all around the outside of the coil. Energize the coil and check the poles between the center core and outside core and you'll find they are opposite.
With this you should know what to do.

Let me know if you understand.

Looking forward in your test results

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 05:45:17 PM »
The thing about adding metal around a coil or magnet is that it decreases the lines of flux which extend outwards from the poles.  This is because the metal, assuming it is magnetic, has a lower reluctance than air, so it "conducts" the magnetic lines closer to the outer surface of the coil/magnet.  This in turn shortens the distance from the pole at which the magnetic lines can interact with other magnets, metal, ect...

Your example, if I am not mistaken, is already used in electromagnets that have the poles on the same side.  The center pole is N and the outsides are S poles.  This is why 5 watts of energy can lift 22 pounds or more.  I considered this design already as a way to use both poles of a permanent magnet and a corresponding electromagnet.  I build a few demo's and found that they were in fact very strong, BUT, the distance over which they were able to act was almost nil.  This design works great for lifting, just not over a long distance.

What I do find important in the operation is making sure power is applied less than 50% of each rotation, and obviously as little as possible.  I have it down around 35-45% of the time so far with varing results.  Also, the coil diameters need to be much larger than the coil length.  Basically, you want a coil that is as close to a pancake look as possible but still work.  This allows the piston magnets to come closer to the power magnets, which results in higher power density for a given set of magnets and electrical power input.  I am still experimenting with different core designs as well and the ratios between core diameters, pole diameters, and magnet diameters.  I found out the hard way that coils wound bifilar DO NOT work like I was told or led to believe, but i have already covered this discussion.

Art's design works awesome.  I don't agree with some of his measurements of power.  He measures power that is not usable power.  To me, that should never be included in the final calculations.  He also measures input power from his coils, vice his power source.  Gross input power is the power one would use to calculate efficiency of a motor.  Art has been a tremendous help to me over the last year and I can't thank him enough for his support and input. 

I believe without a doubt, that his designs are the key to overunity motor design, which is why I am pursuing it.  This is also the reason I believe that permanent magnets are a power source of sorts and by using these techniques, the motor would not actually break the laws of physics, as the power to create the magnets, mine the ore, ect... are never figured into the Ein of the efficiency equation (as if they were, you would never be over 100% efficient).  At our level of physical interactions, the laws of thermo are unbeatable.  The saving grace of a permanent magnet motor is the energy to create the magnet only has to be input once, and they can last for many years.

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Re: Magnetic Overunity Motor Design
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2012, 04:23:22 AM »
e2matrix:

Thanks for the info on this motor.  I really don't understand his video.  If he is an eng, he sucks at explanations, which leads me to believe that he isn't.  Also, he talks about back emf when a coil is de-energized.  That is NOT back emf.  It is flyback voltage.  From my experience, they are two different things, though that term is used "loosely" for flyback voltage.  I do appreciate the referral though and I will look at it tomorrow when I am fresh again to see if I can grasp what he is trying to do with his winding.

Yeah he is Italian/Spanish and speaks 4 languages but English is definitely not his main language .... although I think he gets his point across usually.  I've gotten used to reading many other foreign people writing in English and eventually I can understand it almost as well as regular English.   I don't think his vid's are always the best although his 3D cad stuff is nice but that message thread at EF has a lot of good info in it.  Good luck with your work.

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2012, 05:50:54 AM »
@travin69: When you say that bifilar coils didn't work as you were led to believe.... what kind of bifilar winding did you use? I have learned that many people call a "hairpin" winding bifilar, but this is very different from the way Tesla used the term in his invention.

In other words, a hairpin bifilar is like this: take a long piece of wire, and fold it in half. Now you have your "hairpin." Wind this on a form.  Or equivalently, take two strands of wire and wind them both simultaneously, then connect the far ends together and use the near ends for your input.

However, Tesla's true bifilars are different. Take the two strands of wire and wind them both simultaneously and evenly, no overlapping, then take the _far end_ of one and hook it to the _near end_ of the other. Use the remaining ends for your input. Or, for a pancake coil, the center of one winding connects to the edge of the other.

The latter is the true Tesla bifilar winding and will store more energy in interturn capacitance, and will also have other effects that may be useful.

Which type of bifilar winding did you test? Elegant work, by the way, especially the use of the swashplate instead of the crank.

 

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