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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4545 on: July 01, 2014, 01:07:21 AM »
https://archive.org/details/MVI2464
My try mix kacher frenquency with low frenquency to get overunity. But unsucsesfully. Maybe I something wrong do.
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4 requirements for ou

1. hf oscillator(AC)= kacher(first generator)
2. spark (electrostatics+magnetics) hf dc dioded kacher can be used(2nd generator) those who want to avoid spark can feed  the hf dc to coaxial cable shorted at other end
3. output coil design must be cw+ccw
4. ferrite rings or ferrite rod bundle core

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4546 on: July 01, 2014, 01:44:54 AM »
@TinselKoala


Any hints what might be causing these spikes?  Scope probes are across the capacitor on my mazzilli oscillator thing...
Diodes are now MBR1100 http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MBR1100-D.PDF  ( 10V/ns dv/dt recovery)


Maybe I should see what the choke coil is doing...
Ah, you have discovered the Viking Warrior waveform! Looks pretty cool.
I'm sorry but I've lost track of the exact circuit you are using. Can you please post it again, including component values and probe positions? And also the scope settings, I can't quite make them out in the photograph.

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« Reply #4547 on: July 01, 2014, 02:55:54 AM »
Here are the latest posts by Ruslan.. 

 
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Frealstrannik.ru%2Fforum%2F39-kapanadze%2F134930-ustanovka-ruslana-kulabuxova.html%3Fstart%3D216&edit-text=&act=url
 
 
off topic below ….
 
Ruslan in his element…DJ'ing mixing…
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ku4WVKGB8g
 
TopRadio in Latvia Riga…office
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_FsVgVFTrA
 
TopRadio transmitter sight..
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DRvW_1miC4
 
 Acca..[/font]

That last one is not off topic at all, and in fact is probably the most significant of all the various Akula/Ruslan/Kapanadze/Dally etc. videos we have been shown. The question you really should be asking, and experimenting with, is this: Can any of these _tuned circuits_ act as receivers of a really really powerful RF signal at around 90 MHz, or sidebands/multiples/subharmonics of same, particularly when in the near field of the antenna-transmitter structure?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4548 on: July 01, 2014, 03:25:36 AM »
Ah, you have discovered the Viking Warrior waveform! Looks pretty cool.
I'm sorry but I've lost track of the exact circuit you are using. Can you please post it again, including component values and probe positions? And also the scope settings, I can't quite make them out in the photograph.


Yellow and green dots indicate where the scope is.
Scope settings at 1V/1V  10uS  probes set at x10/x10.
Input voltage around 12V.
Choke; is about 10mH
Coils are about 908uH (0.9mH) 
Coil that is not connected is about 6mH


Resistor to ground is 10k  (9.8k measured)
resistor to power is 470


C1 is 500nF I think
M1/M2 IRFP4020H


Added another shot side by side with gate signal ; second scope 200mV/200mV  10uS; probes set at x10... But you can't see division lines...


Think slightly higher voltage on the second shot
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Edit; added scope (blue is on the choke before the coils, Yellow is on one mosfet base)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4549 on: July 01, 2014, 03:27:28 AM »
That last one is not off topic at all, and in fact is probably the most significant of all the various Akula/Ruslan/Kapanadze/Dally etc. videos we have been shown. The question you really should be asking, and experimenting with, is this: Can any of these _tuned circuits_ act as receivers of a really really powerful RF signal at around 90 MHz, or sidebands/multiples/subharmonics of same, particularly when in the near field of the antenna-transmitter structure?
That's a good question; Last post Ruslan says Kacher IS tuned to 1.2Mhz...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4550 on: July 01, 2014, 04:45:34 AM »

Yellow and green dots indicate where the scope is.
Scope settings at 1V/1V  10uS  probes set at x10/x10.
Input voltage around 12V.
Choke; is about 10mH
Coils are about 908uH (0.9mH) 
Coil that is not connected is about 6mH


Resistor to ground is 10k  (9.8k measured)
resistor to power is 470


C1 is 500nF I think
M1/M2 IRFP4020H


Added another shot side by side with gate signal ; second scope 200mV/200mV  10uS; probes set at x10... But you can't see division lines...


Think slightly higher voltage on the second shot
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Edit; added scope (blue is on the choke before the coils, Yellow is on one mosfet base)
Thanks... I am puzzled by the low voltages indicated on the scope... you say your probes are set to 10x attenuation but the last photo shows the scope channel set to 1x... These settings must match! Scope channel and probe must both be set to either 10x or 1x for the numbers to read out properly. If your scope channel is set to 1x and the probes to 10x then I must mentally multiply the scope's indicated volts/division by 10, right? I mean there is no way a mosfet will turn on with eight hundred mV applied to the gate, like your scope shows, right?

Your circuit is basically the same circuit I use for wireless power transmission and flyback/yoke driving, without the gate protection Zeners I use, and with a different output coil arrangement (but very similar to the flyback driver). Those spikes that have shown up are the switching transients when the mosfets turn on and off quickly, which you are now seeing because of your superfast diodes, I think.

Your scoping scheme is "differential probe" style, with one probe on either side of the capacitor and both probe references to supply ground or negative rail. Inside the scope you can now select the trace "Add" function and add the traces together and display them as a single trace, which should look almost perfectly sinusoidal. Or, if your circuit is isolated from the scope ground you can actually scope directly across the cap: probe on one side and reference (ground) clip on the other side of the capacitor. This will give you the perfect sinus output on that trace. Be very careful about other grounded instruments connected to the circuit while you are doing this, even power supplies unless they are isolated.  For an example of scoping across the capacitor with a single probe you can look at the video I just coincidentally uploaded last night on a different topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI2r85CeCaw

 
The capacitor in these circuits is absolutely critical. It is under a lot of stress and should be well overrated in the voltage department and should be high quality poly-film type. It is better to build up the necessary capacitance with multiple smaller identical units in parallel, than to use one big cap, since this cap will tend to run hot. This cap is the tank capacitor for the LC tank formed by the coil set and this cap. You might like to try putting in some means of varying this capacitor's value. I have clips on my experimental testbed in parallel with the capacitor bank so that I can add more caps in parallel to "tune" the circuit. This is more convenient for me than varying the inductance because I use a single loop for wireless transmission and my flyback/yoke coils are immersed in mineral oil for HV safety and cooling.

Here is what your circuit can potentially do, without overheating mosfets, while driving a flyback transformer. This is with IRFP260N mosfets and a bit under 2 microFarad capacitance in the main tank:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU

You can put a lot of power through this circuit and with the right mosfets, diodes and capacitors it will really "light your fire". The same basic circuit with a slight mod and using IRFZ44N mosfets and different capacitance makes my wireless power transmitters.


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4551 on: July 01, 2014, 07:12:33 AM »
Thanks... I am puzzled by the low voltages indicated on the scope... then I must mentally multiply the scope's indicated voltsision by 10.

yes; I could change the multiplier in the scope....

Your circuit is basically the same circuit I use for wireless power transmission and flyback/yoke driving, without the gate protection Zeners I use, and with a different output coil arrangement (but very similar to the flyback driver). Those spikes that have shown up are the switching transients when the mosfets turn on and off quickly, which you are now seeing because of your superfast diodes, I think.
Hmm could be that they switch faster now; but previously I had leaky diodes that at this frequency really were acting as a wire (which I also tried at low voltage) and I didn't have spikes.... maybe they're DSRD'ing somewhat... The previous ones (1n4004) were allowing the voltage from the collector side to get to the gates, which would have required zeners since I get at least 2x supply voltage at the gate.
I also wonder if maybe it's got a small 'jump' when the coils switch that is causing a variable inducntanct... the U is just setting on the I, not even some tape holding them together....

Your scoping scheme is "differential probe" style, with one probe on either side of the capacitor and both probe references to supply ground or negative rail. Inside the scope you can now select the trace "Add" function and add the traces together and display them as a single trace, which should look almost perfectly sinusoidal.
That's an idea.... usually I just align them on the same baseline with ione inverted... probably should use a subtract instead of add though, or I'd get double humps...

Or, if your circuit is isolated from the scope ground you can actually scope directly across the cap: probe on one side and reference (ground) clip on the other side of the capacitor. This will give you the perfect sinus output on that trace. Be very careful about other grounded instruments connected to the circuit while you are doing this, even power supplies unless they are isolated.  For an example of scoping across the capacitor with a single probe you can look at the video I just coincidentally uploaded last night on a different topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI2r85CeCaw
Ahh yes I can do that too :)
 
The capacitor in these circuits is absolutely critical. It is under a lot of stress and should be well overrated in the voltage department and should be high quality poly-film type. It is better to build up the necessary capacitance with multiple smaller identical units in parallel, than to use one big cap, since this cap will tend to run hot. This cap is the tank capacitor for the LC tank formed by the coil set and this cap. You might like to try putting in some means of varying this capacitor's value. I have clips on my experimental testbed in parallel with the capacitor bank so that I can add more caps in parallel to "tune" the circuit. This is more convenient for me than varying the inductance because I use a single loop for wireless transmission and my flyback/yoke coils are immersed in mineral oil for HV safety and cooling.

Here is what your circuit can potentially do, without overheating mosfets, while driving a flyback transformer. This is with IRFP260N mosfets and a bit under 2 microFarad capacitance in the main tank:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU

You can put a lot of power through this circuit and with the right mosfets, diodes and capacitors it will really "light your fire". The same basic circuit with a slight mod and using IRFZ44N mosfets and different capacitance makes my wireless power transmitters.
Regarding the cap, it's a 400V cap, I had at one point added a (smaller) 100V ceramic cap that was 2nF in parallen with a 1nF to have 3nF; this additional cap definatly heated up.  These red ones don't have that issue. (yet) 

Wow; that's a nice jacob's ladder :)  Didn't think you could push that much current though a flyback :)  and that's just arbitrary resonance?

My better mosfets should arrive tomorrow (200-500W instead of these 21W)...
Then the issue will be my power supply has a max of 3A output... so I'll have to move over to batteries, which I have; but trying to make sure I don't end up with a locked open mosfet...
Since I can go to 20V on the gate, I just removed the zeners and keep the power supply under 15V, although I have some 19V 5W zeners coming too which I will end up adding back. 


The coils are actually wound on a U/I core that is 1"x1" ferrite area and 4"x4" size... kinda big :)  really resembles a yoke core with more ferrite... I have a couple yokes I'll rewind in the future.. but yes, the coils are on the same core (like Nickz) where i see yours are entirely separate. The choke is wound on a similar core...


There is a small affect on the frequency due to voltage but only at the low end of voltage... after a certain amount it is fairly constant frequency




First is the one I'm using for a choke, connecting red/green in series.
Second is my drive coils (red/red) and the secondary (green)  Although I guess it needs to be just a few turns instead.

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« Reply #4552 on: July 01, 2014, 07:59:32 AM »
It looks like you are handling things well. There was one other thing I thought of: in my experience, if the circuit is operated with bad connections to the coil this will destroy the mosfets in no time. Sometimes they can literally explode. So for best performance and reliability I would not use breadboard construction for the "tank" part of the circuit. The mosfet drain-source wiring to the capacitor and coil should be solid and symmetrical, with heavy conductors and soldered connections, or at least tightly screwed down connections to the coils.
Also, for people working with this circuit, don't slowly ramp up the supply voltage from zero. Sometimes the circuit won't oscillate and one mosfet will stay on and fry itself very quickly. Just supply at least 12 volts and turn it on with a switch or other fast connection. This will kick the circuit into oscillation immediately on power-up and save the mosfets.

Yes, invert one channel and add, or just subtract, that's right.   ;)

The Jacob's Ladder thing uses a TV flyback transformer with my own primary wound around the outside part of the ferrite core: just 8 turns of heavy wire, center tapped.  This is the coil that is in the tank with the ~2uF capacitor, and is how all that energy is coupled into the flyback's secondary. The balance between the capacitor and the inductance of the coil is what determines the frequency of the oscillator and the power throughput.






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« Reply #4553 on: July 01, 2014, 10:19:10 AM »
4 requirements for ou

1. hf oscillator(AC)= kacher(first generator)
2. spark (electrostatics+magnetics) hf dc dioded kacher can be used(2nd generator) those who want to avoid spark can feed  the hf dc to coaxial cable shorted at other end
3. output coil design must be cw+ccw
4. ferrite rings or ferrite rod bundle core

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The resonator 1/4 lambda of hf, it is not necessary?

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« Reply #4554 on: July 01, 2014, 11:36:23 AM »
The resonator 1/4 lambda of hf, it is not necessary?

frequency resonance can be adjusted by moving ferrite core. or using  a split copper  tube inside ferrite rings or if you are using ferrite rod bundle core then place the ferrite bundle core inside copper split tube

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« Reply #4555 on: July 01, 2014, 06:55:08 PM »
4 requirements for ou

1. hf oscillator(AC)= kacher(first generator)
2. spark (electrostatics+magnetics) hf dc dioded kacher can be used(2nd generator)
3. output coil design must be cw+ccw
4. ferrite rings or ferrite rod bundle core

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I will add my own thoughts then:
1) You must have cw+ccw "sandwich" on output where each part are half length of previous. So individual coil pairs won't give inductance while net connections on "sandwich" will introduce it. The way around Lenz law is there ^^
2) The inductor should resonate on half wave of output summary coil (calculate by sum of wire length of secondary coils). The winding is on side (kapanadze) or on first layer of output coil (Ruslan/akula)
3) Under inductor coil you should have coaxial cable coil or similar for making scalar wave spikes of 1/4th resonant frequency for output "sandwitch" bifilars. The repeating cycle should be 1 pulse on each top of sinewave in inductor...


So this is something to test and find out on behavior, should not take too much time... :)

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« Reply #4556 on: July 01, 2014, 07:58:35 PM »
   There are some (many) things that I don't understand.
   First:
   "spark (electrostatics+magnetics) hf dc dioded kacher can be used(2nd generator)
3. output coil design must be cw+ccw"
   
   What diode is to be used for the HV pulcer circuit, to rectify the AC to DC. Is this half wave DC, or full wave?  What voltage/current is this rectified Dc providing?  Just how and where is it (this rectified DC) connected to the main oscillator crt coils?

   I understand the "sandwich" wound coils, but what are the exact turn counts on Akula's second video device's PVC tube output coil? Are those coils also sandwiched, or not?
As well as the wire gauge used.
 Also, what are the Kachers turn counts on the PVC tube air coils.

  It is easier for me to understand the idea of a primary and secondary coils, as used in the Akula yoke core. The three turns coil on that same yoke is the third coil, as well as being a second output coil. Probably used to down step the voltage and up the current of the low 30 to 60B (volt) output to the in series capacitor of unknown value. What is the value of this in series cap? Telling me the needed frequency of the capacitor does not help, as I am not able to read frequencies, at this time.

  But, the main question is: can't we just use a commercial mosfet driver circuit with adjustable duty cycle and frequency controls, for the main oscillator crt. As well as one for the HV pulces circuit. IF not, why not.  Or are these REALLY needed, at all??? 
As I still doubt that Tariel used anything like that for his 5 kw device.  Or, that he actually built and made any of his shown devices. So, who really, are the guys with the brains...?

  Also, why has not one of these FE devices been connected to a load and run 24/7.
This leads me to believe that none of these circuits are actually fully functional...Yet.

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« Reply #4557 on: July 01, 2014, 08:22:16 PM »
   I understand the "sandwich" wound coils, but what are the exact turn counts on Akula's second video device's PVC tube output coil? Are those coils also sandwiched, or not?
As well as the wire gauge used.
 Also, what are the Kachers turn counts on the PVC tube air coils.
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/630/aquarium-1.gif
  It is easier for me to understand the idea of a primary and secondary coils, as used in the Akula yoke core. The three turns coil on that same yoke is the third coil, as well as being a second output coil. Probably used to down step the voltage and up the current of the low 30 to 60B (volt) output to the in series capacitor of unknown value. What is the value of this in series cap? Telling me the needed frequency of the capacitor does not help, as I am not able to read frequencies, at this time.
The capacitor in series resonance make maximum magnetic field on primary coil. This function is easy to guess.
  Also, why has not one of these FE devices been connected to a load and run 24/7.
This leads me to believe that none of these circuits are actually fully functional...Yet.
What I heard about Ruslan's FE generator usage from trusted source is opposite... ;)

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« Reply #4558 on: July 01, 2014, 09:35:03 PM »
  "The capacitor in series resonance make maximum magnetic field on primary coil. This function is easy to guess."

   Guessing is something that I'm trying to avoid. Does anyone know the actual current/voltage ratings of the in series AC run cap of the Akula 1150- 1500 watt crt. As I can't afford to buy a bunch of different relatively expensive run caps, to see which one works best.  What would this cap be if using only 12v input source and a 120v output. Using a 12v battery, not an input source of 24v. Would it be the same value cap, or not?
   So, the current thoughts are that the Akula second device, is using the exact same windings scheme as the aquarium device?  What is the wire gauge. 
If so, who has confirmed this to be the case. Did they actually count the windings on the AKULA device, or not. How do we know this is true.
  The first Akula device did not use the same core windings design, at all.

  "What I heard about Ruslan's FE generator usage from trusted source is opposite..."

  Meaning what? That Ruslan has a device running a load 24/7, but will not show it???
 Right! Maybe ask the trusted source to confirm this, as there have been NO devices shown running permanently.

 

 

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« Reply #4559 on: July 01, 2014, 10:12:49 PM »
@NickZ

Well, not everyone will advertise and even come to public showing FE generators, most of them prefer to stay out of sight when it comes to practical applications for good reason. Simple example - the town with Testatica and how it ended there. If you have equipment far away from mains power lines those locations are perfect to apply FE generators for powering equipment.

Also for series resonance - if your secondary coil does not affect primary coil, how you can transfer lots of power then? If primary coil consumes miliwatts and you attach it directly, there will be miliwatts on the output too. So the series resonance is perfect way to raise amps on primary coil. In addition if you disrupt the magnetic field on its peak with another field (scalar in akula/Ruslan case at least) how do you think the output coils will react to that? I would not want to go guessing all around this, it is better just to try what I already said.

Cheers!