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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 6747546 times)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4950 on: July 31, 2014, 12:15:06 AM »
Ah OK, I see. Simulators can be very helpful when designing circuits, but they can give misleading 
results sometimes depending on limitations and quirks of any given simulator, so I think it is
always a good idea to build the circuit and test to see if it behaves the way the simulator is suggesting,
before attempting to draw any conclusions. Even though you may be seeing unusual results in a simulator,
until you actually build and test the circuit you really just can't be sure how it will really behave.
All the best...

hi Void,

The finding on Simulators is the output is based on "ideal component" especially for resistor,inductor,capacitor and the wiring.In real world such components don't exist.
Only the selection of transistors,fets,mosfet,bulbs,led,igbt or other etc which i have left out would cause a various other changes in output.

It does speed the work of R&D 1000 times and save on buying unwanted components.Not to mention waiting for components delivery which i hate most.

After watching the video i immediately applied the same in virtual experiment and i was surprised it does work.

If the output i was getting around  500% COP in virtual experiment.In actual experiment i may only get 200%...300% if i am lucky.


   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4950 on: July 31, 2014, 12:15:06 AM »

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« Reply #4951 on: July 31, 2014, 12:34:46 AM »
If the output i was getting around  500% COP in virtual experiment.In actual experiment i may only get 200%...300% if i am lucky.

That would be nice.  :)  I will be interested to see what results you get once you build it and test it.
Scope shots of input and output waveforms of the actual circuit would be cool if you can...



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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4952 on: July 31, 2014, 01:11:51 AM »
Regarding my tests to try to find something similar to what Akula appears to be calling
'ferromagnetic resonance', I have been doing further tests and I have found something interesting.
I did away with my regulated power supply since these tests were not only making my pulser circuit
have a tendency to go into major oscillations, but my regulated DC power supply was also going
kind of berserk as well. Instead now I switched to using a little 5AH 12VDC SLA (sealed lead acid) battery.
I still can get the major oscillations from the pulser circuit using the little SLA battery, but I also noticed
that depending how I adjust the pulser circuit, I can also get pulse waveforms that look a fair bit like
Akula was showing in his video where he discusses 'ferromagnetic resonance' in regards to his lantern 4 circuit.
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-EmSMOYXVc )

Attached are some scope shots by Akula where he is apparently explaining (I don't speak Russian) about
what he is calling 'ferromagnetic resonance'. Notice the shape of the light blue scope traces in Akula's scope shots.

I am also attaching some scope shots from my testing that appear somewhat similar to Akula's waveforms.
My inclination is that the waveforms I am getting are due to instabilities in my pulser circuit, but I am
not 100% certain what is causing this yet. These waveforms I was getting here do look pretty close to
what Akula was showing in his video when he discussed ferromagnetic resonance ( as best as I could gather from his video anyway  :)).
Maybe I am overlooking something here and there is something more to this than I first thought, although
something is definitely making my pulser circuit act very unstable. I would think it is just pulse signals feeding
back into the pulser circuit from the coil it is driving and causing the instability, but this is the first time I
have seen this circuit acting this unstable when pulsing coils. Was Akula also just getting similar instability in his pulser
circuit and he is just pulling people's legs by calling it ferromagnetic resonance, or am I overlooking something?
I am inclined to think it is just instability in the pulser circuit causing the unusual pulse waveforms on the coil being pulsed,
but maybe I need to look into this deeper. I will try building a different pulser circuit and see what I get, but I will have to
order a few parts so it could be a little while before I can retest with a different pulser. I really am not doing anything unusual
however other than pulsing about a 60 turn coil on a square ferrite core, trying from about 500Hz to 100kHz max, with about 10% to
20% max duty cycle. Nothing unusual at all.  The drain was only drawing about 11mA or so from the 12VDC battery when I
got the attached waveforms. My scope channel 1 (yellow trace) was set to 100v/div.





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« Reply #4952 on: July 31, 2014, 01:11:51 AM »
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« Reply #4953 on: July 31, 2014, 01:19:33 AM »

Attached are some scope shots by Akula where he is apparently explaining (I don't speak Russian) about
what he is calling 'ferromagnetic resonance'. Notice the shape of the light blue scope traces in Akula's scope shots.

I am also attaching some scope shots from my testing that appear somewhat similar to Akula's waveforms.
Wrong thread :)
http://www.overunity.com/14794/ka4ep-torch-kacher-torch/ (lantern 4 variant and development)
or http://www.overunity.com/14687/akula-eternal-lantern-4/ 


Your waveform goes up, instead of continuing down.... (image 1)
mine didn't go below 0 to start (image 2)
I got new cores and bobbins today, and they behave better... added a capacitor from collector to ground and get a single low kickback but can't get the second spike.

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« Reply #4954 on: July 31, 2014, 01:28:20 AM »
Wrong thread :)
http://www.overunity.com/14794/ka4ep-torch-kacher-torch/ (lantern 4 variant and development)
or http://www.overunity.com/14687/akula-eternal-lantern-4/ 


Your waveform goes up, instead of continuing down.... (image 1)
mine didn't go below 0 to start (image 2)
I got new cores and bobbins today, and they behave better... added a capacitor from collector to ground and get a single low kickback but can't get the second spike.

Not really wrong thread.  ;)  Akula seems to be using pulsing of ferrite cores a lot, whether it is a TV yoke or
a ferrite torroid, etc.  :) The scope waveforms I posted above seem to be quite similar to what Akula showed
in the video I referenced above. Your waveform appears quite a bit different however... Not sure what is going on yet, so
I am looking for feedback from anyone who may have some ideas...
All the best...   :)



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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4955 on: July 31, 2014, 01:31:44 AM »
Not really wrong thread. Akula seems to be using pulsing of ferrite cores a lot, whether it is a TV yoke or
a ferrite torroid, etc.  :) The scope waveforms I posted above seem to be quite similar to what Akula showed
in the video I referenced above. Your waveform appears quite a bit different however... Not sure what is going on yet, so
I am looking for feedback from anyone who may have some ideas...
All the best...   :)
Sure mine ARE different, but akula's http://youtu.be/S-EmSMOYXVc?t=8m25s is also different from the ones you were showing.
What is causing the long slow slope-up over 250us in yours?
I've been looking for feedback for a while now... what I get is 'redesign it so it doesn't do that'

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4956 on: July 31, 2014, 01:40:05 AM »
I've been looking for feedback for a while now... what I get is 'redesign it so it doesn't do that'

Ha ha. I guess if you can't explain it, then make it go away...   ;D
P.S. the time it takes to die down depends on the frequency I am set to of course.
It happens faster at higher frequencies...


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4957 on: July 31, 2014, 02:01:23 AM »
Ha ha. I guess if you can't explain it, then make it go away...   ;D
P.S. the time it takes to die down depends on the frequency I am set to of course.
It happens faster at higher frequencies...
Hmm... but at a higher frequency if you extend the duty cycle it should stay the same...
that same video earlier is the same as your first akula shot
http://youtu.be/S-EmSMOYXVc?t=5m48s
and later after he adjusts the capacitance on the base of the transistor after the previous youtube link is the second shot.


what does your circuit look like?  I have a similar waveform on my bench now with the current coil... other than I can't get the second downkick... but at the top of yours there's a notable delay where it rises also... looks like what I had with a diode between power and the primary and a capacitor on the collector.
Oh and adding a diode from the emitter to ground I can get a negative peak... but it quickly equalizes from the power rail.

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« Reply #4958 on: July 31, 2014, 02:25:41 AM »
Hmm... but at a higher frequency if you extend the duty cycle it should stay the same...
that same video earlier is the same as your first akula shot
http://youtu.be/S-EmSMOYXVc?t=5m48s
and later after he adjusts the capacitance on the base of the transistor after the previous youtube link is the second shot.


what does your circuit look like?  I have a similar waveform on my bench now with the current coil... other than I can't get the second downkick... but at the top of yours there's a notable delay where it rises also... looks like what I had with a diode between power and the primary and a capacitor on the collector.
Oh and adding a diode from the emitter to ground I can get a negative peak... but it quickly equalizes from the power rail.

I am not changing the duty cycle, so not sure what you mean. Duty cycle in my testing was
kept to a very minimum -> about 10% to 20% max. I have actually been using the pulser circuit board
made by RM Cybernetics, and I don't know the exact circuit, but it is basically a control circuit
to set the frequency and duty cycle, which drives a FET. I need to build one now which is simpler
so I can try again and compare results. A simpler circuit should be easier to analyze. I might
try building Akula's pulser circuit for comparison, but I will have to order some parts first.

The pulser module I have been testing with is very close to this one on the RM Cybernetics website,
but I have the prior version of this module. The one on the website is their version 2 module, which has
a few changes.
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/shop/pulse-modulator-ocx



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« Reply #4958 on: July 31, 2014, 02:25:41 AM »
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« Reply #4959 on: July 31, 2014, 02:36:38 AM »
This is what I was getting using the little 12VDC 5AH SLA battery when the pulser circuit
breaks into apparent full out oscillations at each pulse. The waveform was more
like an increasing trumpet waveform when using my regulated DC supply, at even higher negative
voltage peaks The scope is set to 100V/div. It is kind of odd to get those voltage swings across
the coil being driven considering that the battery is only 12VDC. Negative back pulses can get really
large when pulsing a coil even with just a low voltage, but you usually don't get such large positive voltage swings.
Maybe the small capacitance in the scope probe across the coil is causing the large resonant appearing swings...

Let's see if that might explain it.
With the scope probe on X10, it is probably around 15pF to 25pF or so, according to the specs... I'll use 20pF to calculate...
The coil I am pulsing is about 5 mH.
That gives a resonant frequency around 503 kHz.
Approx. frequency of the oscillations in the attached scope shot is about 500 kHz or so.
It seems to make sense. Frequency of the large oscillations is related to the capacitance of the scope probe in parallel with the coil being pulsed.
It looks like I need to take the scope probe out of the circuit and see if anything unusual still remains... :)

That still doesn't explain the even higher frequency oscillations appearing mainly within the positive waveform swings,
but that is secondary to the big oscillations... I will tackle the big fish first.  ;D
Ferromagentic resonance? Maybe its in there somewhere, but I still need to do a lot more
testing and analyzing... At the moment it is still looking a lot like unstable operation of the pulser circuit along
with resonance oscillations caused by the scope probe in parallel with the coil being pulsed, although
there is something else unusual going on there which should be noticeable to those who have been doing
their homework and doing tests with pulsing circuits... ;)  I still need to investigate that aspect a lot more yet...   




« Last Edit: July 31, 2014, 04:41:04 AM by Void »

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« Reply #4960 on: July 31, 2014, 05:22:44 AM »
I am not changing the duty cycle, so not sure what you mean. Duty cycle in my testing was
kept to a very minimum -> about 10% to 20% max. I have actually been using the pulser circuit board
made by RM Cybernetics, and I don't know the exact circuit, but it is basically a control circuit
to set the frequency and duty cycle, which drives a FET. I need to build one now which is simpler
so I can try again and compare results. A simpler circuit should be easier to analyze. I might
try building Akula's pulser circuit for comparison, but I will have to order some parts first.

The pulser module I have been testing with is very close to this one on the RM Cybernetics website,
but I have the prior version of this module. The one on the website is their version 2 module, which has
a few changes.
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/shop/pulse-modulator-ocx
so the pulser, a fet, and a coil.
What I was saying is that the (I dunno I guess they're) flyback pulses happen at a fixed time from the turn on of the gate/base.  If you increase the freqeuncy, this reduces the time between pulses, but also reduces the on time of the gate... so the flyback will not be as strong, so that's probably why it fades faster at higher frequency.  10% of 1Khz = 100uS; where 10% of 10Khz is only 10uS....
the time is variable based on the core and gap in the core... but for a set configuration there's a set time.
I'm assuming that your scope probe is on the source. 


Here's an english translation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyJKRuzFLw (of akula vid) especially 2:18 of the video to explain resonance

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« Reply #4961 on: July 31, 2014, 10:19:13 AM »
This timing reminds me of the issue seen with the reluctance motor.

In that you do not want to pulse the coil longer than it takes for the
current in the coil to level out or basicly quite rising . So the pulse
length should be long enough to fully energize the coil but then shut
off not to waste input.




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« Reply #4962 on: July 31, 2014, 05:30:16 PM »
   Void:
    The pulse modulator unit that you posted the link to is only working in the Mhz range. Although their cheaper units do go up to 100khz. So, I don't know if the pulser that you're using is apt for the Akula second device type of operation, or not.
But, it's good to see that someone is trying out those commercially made pulsers.
 
   All: I've been having a hard time getting the Akula type air coils to work correctly, along with my previous shown Mazilli/yoke core set up.
  It seams as if there is not enough windings to actually produce the same output that my yoke by itself can obtain. I did not wind the two 48 turns initial windings on on this air core output coil, just a single layer of 48 turns, then a single layer 24 turns, then two layers of 12 turns on top. As I'm trying to obtain only 120 to 160 volts output, not 220v.
 
   I may have to make another coils with all 48,48, 24,24, 12,12 turns, like is shown in some diagrams. But, what I find interesting to see, is that on Ruslan's  Akula 2nd device replication, he does not conform to the above turn windings either. As his air coil's output coil is showing about 24 turns as the last outer set of winding, not 12 turns.
  It would be good to know just what the Akula output air coil produces for him, by itself without the pulser connection attached, just as a voltage/amp comparison.

  Anyway, I can only get one or two bulbs barely glowing with my current Akula air coils set up, connected to my Mazilli/yoke core. I tried different caps on it, but they only give just a slight improvement in bulb brightness.  I'm only using 12v, and not the 24v that Ruslan is drawing from his self runner device.
  Any ideas are welcome.

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« Reply #4963 on: July 31, 2014, 06:15:36 PM »
so the pulser, a fet, and a coil.
What I was saying is that the (I dunno I guess they're) flyback pulses happen at a fixed time from the turn on of the gate/base.  If you increase the freqeuncy, this reduces the time between pulses, but also reduces the on time of the gate... so the flyback will not be as strong, so that's probably why it fades faster at higher frequency.  10% of 1Khz = 100uS; where 10% of 10Khz is only 10uS....
the time is variable based on the core and gap in the core... but for a set configuration there's a set time.
I'm assuming that your scope probe is on the source. 

Here's an english translation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyJKRuzFLw (of akula vid) especially 2:18 of the video to explain resonance

Yes, that sounds right to me. My scope probe is across the coil terminals.

Thanks very much for posting that link to the translation of Akula's lantern 4 video.
I did not realize that translation existed. That translation helps quite a bit in understanding
what those scope shots were about. I was missing a few key concepts in there. Akula actually
seems to be saying that your pulse on-time duration (duty cycle) at the base/gate needs to be set to a certain
minimum on-time for the ferromagnetic resonance to come into effect. What that will need to be set to will depend on the
exact ferrite core you are using. It is also interesting that Akula says that this 'ferromagnetic resonance' frequency
seems to be changing on him a few times over the period of an hour or so, which makes his circuit quit.
He said he is not sure why this is happening but thinks the ferrite core is maybe being affected by temperature change.
He was going to add circuitry to try to automatically compensate for those changes.

I have to say that now that I have an English translation of this video, that Akula does at least seem
quite serious about this. If he is just trying to trick people, he sure is putting a lot of time and effort into building
and testing all kinds of circuits. Anyway, with that translation, I have a better idea of what I should be looking for,
although I still don't fully understand some things that he is saying in that video.

For people who have been testing with the Akula TV yoke core circuits, it may possibly be the principle
is the same or similar behind it, and that may be why Akula is driving the yoke core with a driver
in which he can make adjustments to duty cycle and frequency. To test the Akula TV yoke core circuits, I think
it might be a good idea to build Akula's adjustable driver circuit or similar to drive the yoke core. That pulsing of
the ferromagnetic core at a specific duty cycle and frequency may be key to getting results. I don't know, 
just throwing that out there, but that is why I included this discussion in this thread, since to me
it does seem to potentially at least tie together.

I will keep experimenting with this 'ferromagnetic resonance' concept, and I will report back
if I find anything interesting.

All the best...



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« Reply #4964 on: July 31, 2014, 06:26:02 PM »
   Void:
    The pulse modulator unit that you posted the link to is only working in the Mhz range. Although their cheaper units do go up to 100khz. So, I don't know if the pulser that you're using is apt for the Akula second device type of operation, or not.
But, it's good to see that someone is trying out those commercially made pulsers.
 

Hi Nick. That module is supposed to work from low Hz to 1.5 MHz.
MHz (megahertz) is higher in frequency than kHz (kilohertz).
You can select different frequency ranges on the pulser depending on what
capacitor you plug into a socket. With my version 1 module I found that it doesn't work
so great at the higher frequencies due to long rise and fall time on the pulse, but
maybe I didn't try the best capacitor value for the higher frequencies. They may also
have made improvements in the version 2 module.

« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 04:25:18 AM by Void »

 

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