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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1212119 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1065 on: March 29, 2015, 04:01:04 PM »
"its WAY past "scope " time" Why? are you afraid of what it may tell you?
"and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!" How do you KNOW that without accurate measurements?
"go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation  which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private )." PESN is not known for its scientific accuracy; SA has no clue about measuring.
"Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!" Of course it was; SA will always believe claims of OU, no matter how ridiculous.
"I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all the members on this thread combined!"  again, how do you KNOW that?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1066 on: March 29, 2015, 05:23:27 PM »
IMPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil  format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input  -  56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a  previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!!  and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT  THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits.  the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains  system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.

example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........
KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts.  about an 80/20 relationship.

Hi Clarence. Those are interesting results for sure. However whenever the mains is connected into this sort of circuit
which makes use of earth ground connections, there is always a chance that ground loops back to the
mains are a factor. There should be a simple way to test this exact same setup however without the mains
being in the picture at all. If you get a chance sometime, I'd be really interested to hear what you get
for power measurements in Watts, and also the Power Factor (PF) reading if possible, on both the input and output
power kill-a-watt meters, when connected in as shown in the attached connection diagram. If you can
get the same sort of readings when using your battery and inverter to power the circuit, that should take 
ground loops back to the mains right out of the picture. Please note that the input power meter is connected before
the input ground connection to the neutral, so as not to have the ground wire looping around the kill-a-watt meter.
All the best...


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1067 on: March 29, 2015, 05:27:27 PM »
Hi all. Ok, I discussed with Clarence, and the attached schematic should match
Clarence's current circuit wiring setup. If you have any questions on the schematic, you
can direct them to Clarence and he should be able to help you out, if he is not too busy.

This new revised schematic shows the inverter's AC output divided into two sets of wires from two plugs,
(or you can also use terminal strips), but I believe Clarence's inverter is only producing one phase, so it is
still just one phase out of the inverter, but just divided into two sets of wires to match the way Clarence has it wired.
You can see Clarence's hand drawn schematic posted recently to see how he wired into terminal
strips on his actual test board, and other specific details to his build.

Maybe when Clarence gets his ground rod grid finalized, Clarence can post a drawing to show
exactly how he has laid out all the ground rods and connected them together.
 
All the best...


Hi Clarence and all!
Thank you very much for sharing your great work with us! :)
I have a question about the ground 'inducer'  (see image) Does it is 'open ended' as shown on the schematic or it is connect on itself? i ask cause it seem to be on the photo of your unit...
Thank you for the eventuel answer. And apologise if for someone it is seem evident...
ps: dont worry about the septic one; if they whant the best answer about their question, they just have to build it!


 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1067 on: March 29, 2015, 05:27:27 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1068 on: March 29, 2015, 05:43:48 PM »
"its WAY past "scope " time" Why? are you afraid of what it may tell you?
"and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!" How do you KNOW that without accurate measurements?
"go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation  which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private )." PESN is not known for its scientific accuracy; SA has no clue about measuring.
"Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!" Of course it was; SA will always believe claims of OU, no matter how ridiculous.
"I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all the members on this thread combined!"  again, how do you KNOW that?
@ memoryman:

your statement about FEAR is just as ridiculous as the rest of your conversation.
my SCOPE is the ACTUAL ACHIEVED results OFF GRID of my BUILT UNIT!!!!!
MY ground rods have been TALKING TO ME through THEIR performance!!!! HA. HA.
you should simply put a BUILD where your mouth is and then you can SCOPE  all you want to!!!!
until then know that I won't waste my time answering your useless conversation again!!!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1069 on: March 29, 2015, 06:09:35 PM »
My goodness, the strong reaction to simple words.
I strongly suspect (but can only verify by actual measurements on site) that what you are doing is both illegal and dangerous.
Kill-a-watt devices do not always give accurate results.
You can ignore my posts if you want, but going to jail and/or paying hefty fines for what you are doing is probably not what you want.
I admire your experimentation and am helping another experimenter although I know that he is wrong about what he is doing.
The best of luck Clarence. (you'll need a lot if you continue this way)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1070 on: March 29, 2015, 06:13:37 PM »

Hi Clarence and all!
Thank you very much for sharing your great work with us! :)
I have a question about the ground 'inducer'  (see image) Does it is 'open ended' as shown on the schematic or it is connect on itself? i ask cause it seem to be on the photo of your unit...
Thank you for the eventuel answer. And apologise if for someone it is seem evident...
ps: dont worry about the septic one; if they whant the best answer about their question, they just have to build it!

HELLO wistiti,

it is indeed a pleasure to hear from you sir! I am sorry the the schematic was not exactly clear on that point you brought up. THAT is indeed my fault for not catching that!!
Your question is valid indeed and I can answer you vividly by the attached photo of that very place in the build and it should help clear this up. by word I can say that the #6 AWG ground
return is looped around the Captor black wire loop 2 1/2 turns and then continues on while being reduced to #10 AWG size straight to the terminal strip that acts as the load point for
whatever loads may be placed.
I apologize for having made that difficult Sir!

as always I will answer members valid question gladly.
hope this takes care of the problem.

thanks and cheers.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1071 on: March 29, 2015, 07:04:53 PM »
Hi Clarence. Those are interesting results for sure. However whenever the mains is connected into this sort of circuit
which makes use of earth ground connections, there is always a chance that ground loops back to the
mains are a factor. There should be a simple way to test this exact same setup however without the mains
being in the picture at all. If you get a chance sometime, I'd be really interested to hear what you get
for power measurements in Watts, and also the Power Factor (PF) reading if possible, on both the input and output
power kill-a-watt meters, when connected in as shown in the attached connection diagram. If you can
get the same sort of readings when using your battery and inverter to power the circuit, that should take 
ground loops back to the mains right out of the picture. Please note that the input power meter is connected before
the input ground connection to the neutral, so as not to have the ground wire looping around the kill-a-watt meter.
All the best...

Hello void,

your testing diagram  would NOT be correct in the manner that I would test it!

where you show an open ended dangling wire with the wire effect being diverted at a point prior to the ground return loop is not valid.
the induced effect has to continue STRAIGHT through the circuit to have the maximum effect intended  and that is the way I will test
it in order to prove the point you desire.

I have learned the hard way not to take short cuts as they will always come back to bite you.
take a look at the photo I sent to wistiti a short while ago.

Again Void THANK YOU for your extreme VALUABLE help Sir!!!!

thanks and cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1072 on: March 29, 2015, 07:06:03 PM »
by word I can say that the #6 AWG ground return is looped around the Captor black wire loop
2 1/2 turns and then continues on while being reduced to #10 AWG size straight to the terminal strip
that acts as the load point for whatever loads may be placed.

Hi Clarence. I can see where the confusion is, as when I look at your attached photo it looks like
'config 1' in my attached drawing, but it sounds like from your description that you are actually
doing as shown in 'config 2' in my attached drawing? Or is it neither?  ;D

Edit: Actually taking a closer look at your picture, I guess it is wired as 'config 2'?  I had to look more closely... ;)

P.P.S.
I have attached pics of how B&L showed it in their patent drawing, and how you showed it in your
own hand drawn schematic. It would be good if we can clear this up. If you are doing 'config 2', then
that actually seems to make more sense to me, and it may be that B&L obscured this on purpose in
their patent drawing to try to hide the details of how they are actually doing it.

All the best...


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1073 on: March 29, 2015, 07:09:46 PM »
Thank you sir!
Much more clear for me!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1074 on: March 29, 2015, 07:12:07 PM »
Hello void,
your testing diagram  would NOT be correct in the manner that I would test it!
where you show an open ended dangling wire with the wire effect being diverted at a point prior to the ground return loop is not valid.
the induced effect has to continue STRAIGHT through the circuit to have the maximum effect intended  and that is the way I will test
it in order to prove the point you desire.
I have learned the hard way not to take short cuts as they will always come back to bite you.
take a look at the photo I sent to wistiti a short while ago.
Again Void THANK YOU for your extreme VALUABLE help Sir!!!!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence

Hi Clarence. You are taking my drawing too literally. ;) It is just a quick and rough sketch. The main point was about
measuring the input and output power using a battery and inverter as the supply, and making sure the power meters are
not bypassed by ground wires, not about the specifics about how you have the captor loop wired. No worries mate. It is just
a suggestion if you are so inclined to show that when the mains is taken right out of the picture, whether you still get the same
performance or not. I posted in another reply above about getting clarification on the way you have the ground wire wrapped
around the captor loop wire....
All the best...


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1075 on: March 29, 2015, 09:14:05 PM »
Hi Clarence. I can see where the confusion is, as when I look at your attached photo it looks like
'config 1' in my attached drawing, but it sounds like from your description that you are actually
doing as shown in 'config 2' in my attached drawing? Or is it neither?  ;D

Edit: Actually taking a closer look at your picture, I guess it is wired as 'config 2'?  I had to look more closely... ;)

P.P.S.
I have attached pics of how B&L showed it in their patent drawing, and how you showed it in your
own hand drawn schematic. It would be good if we can clear this up. If you are doing 'config 2', then
that actually seems to make more sense to me, and it may be that B&L obscured this on purpose in
their patent drawing to try to hide the details of how they are actually doing it.

All the best...

Hello Void,

the correct way is the "config" 2  method. actually the confusion IS MY FAULT and I bear the responsibility for that!!!
my photo to wistiti shows the correct way. however as you duly pointed out my previous schematic back on page 70 it shows my SCREW UP.....I was thinking one
thing and drew some thing else!!!  I apologize to you and the members for that carelessness. let be known to all members that the "config" 2 illustration by Void is
the correct way to go!!!!

I also think that your observation about the lack of complete disclosure by B&L is quite possible. I had worked with quite a few circuit arrangements at that time before
I got the present arrangement to work - and then LO & BEHOLD!
am glad to be at this point with the "off grid" build  where I can finish the rods install - make final valid tests and back off for awhile!

however there is STILL work to be done.
this at present is only a single phase 120 volt power unit. For USA residential use it has to  adapted into a 120/240 system to be complete.

for EURO use it needs to be adapted into a 220 volt 2 phase and 3 phase  version.

so the party is not over by quite a bit. also the larger power modules have to be shown. so after awhile pull up your pants and hang on.
my rods are really gonna be rocking- - and rolling - doing belly bumps - doing some HIGH CLAMPS jumps and voltage knee jerks etc.
HA. HA.!

thanks and cheers.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1076 on: March 29, 2015, 11:30:52 PM »
Hi folks!
Just to make shure i understand it well; does this drawing is ok Clarence?
thank you!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1077 on: March 30, 2015, 12:17:09 AM »
Hi folks!
Just to make shure i understand it well; does this drawing is ok Clarence?
thank you!
THIS IS OK!

Clarence




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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1078 on: March 30, 2015, 12:31:06 AM »
Hi Clarence. Ok, thanks for the clarification on the way you have that ground wire
run around the captor loop wire. The web software I used to create the schematic doesn't allow me
to go back and edit the drawing, so I patched the schematic in Paint. A little rough, but it should do. ;)
This revised schematic should now match the way Clarence has his ground wire wired in at the captor loop.
Good luck with the testing Clarence!
All the best..


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1079 on: March 30, 2015, 12:49:56 AM »
Thank's freinds!
:)

 

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