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Author Topic: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.  (Read 236496 times)

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #300 on: December 16, 2013, 02:33:44 PM »
This is a nice theory and I am willing to give it a try. But I am not willing to disrupt my life because of this theory (I have other things to do as well). So, it will take time while I slowly build my stuff and report what I see.

It is very nice and considerate of you to freely share your thoughts and I appreciate that. Please have patience and please correct any errors I do while building.

Would be nice if other experimenters went into that area as well. It is fairly easy to build a magnet spinner and more talented people can surly build better spinners than me. Once there is a magnet spinner (spinning a diametrically magnetised ring magnet, take a fairly big one) one can easily put a "synchro coil" near it.

My little theory is that the drive electronics should consume as little electricity as you can manage. Burning many Watts for driving the spinner will be extremely difficult to recuperate with a generator coil (no matter how ever magic the generator coil will be). You can use the OpAmp circuit TinselKoala showed in this thread. The Bedini style circuits use too much electric energy according to my unimportant opinion. One could also use the two transistor circuit I show in my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQSJjRJ6EQ . If I recall correctly, Lidmotor and others used it for a magnet spinner (I never did).

I believe in a drive coil and trigger coil without core and very many turns of wire, which means the coil will have a high DC resistance (which is easy to measure). My trick is to take such coils out of relays (24V or 48V relays, I have shown them in this thread and else where http://www.overunity.com/13852/self-accelerating-reed-switch-magnet-spinner/msg378662/#msg378662 ). These coils lead to a low power draw (but the torque of the spinner will be low as well). But if there is no or only little "Lenz Drag", we do not need high torque (turning strength) to induce current into a "synchro coil".

Just keep in mind that the spinning magnet should be a single magnet. I had two and more of them as a stack on the axis and you can only spin it by having the drive and trigger coil extremely to one side (operating only on the last magnet in the stack from the side). A stack of diametrically magnetised ring magnets has a strange magnetic field around it. The poles are alternating as I indicated in the drawing of this post http://www.overunity.com/13852/self-accelerating-reed-switch-magnet-spinner/msg379579/#msg379579 (top left corner on the photo).

Greetings, Conrad


"Would be nice if other experimenters went into that area as well. It is fairly easy to build a magnet spinner and more talented people can surly build better spinners than me. Once there is a magnet spinner (spinning a diametrically magnetised ring magnet, take a fairly big one) one can easily put a "synchro coil" near it".


I want to re-enforce what Conradelektro suggests here and assure everyone that I am willing to help supply guidance to anyone willing to try. This is an open source project, too simple to patent.


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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #300 on: December 16, 2013, 02:33:44 PM »

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #301 on: December 16, 2013, 02:39:27 PM »
I was over engineering the drive circuit, a simple transistor circuit does it better (see the attached circuit and photos).

I will now solder this very simple drive circuit two times (one for each model) and start with winding a "synchro coil". The "synchro coil" will have six diametrically magnetised ring magnets (10-5-5 mm) as a removable "tube magnet core": 10 mm diameter, length 30 mm, bore hole diameter 5 mm.

Spinning the rather big magnet (on the axis) with 14 mW (10 Volt, 1.4 mA power supply) at 1500 rpm should immediately show if the "synchro coil" is worth its theory.

It should be easy now to replicate this simple drive circuit (other transistors like 2N3904 or 2N2222) should do as well (but I did not try yet).

If you build a horizontal spinner with magnet bearings, the axis has to be rather long and non-magnetic.

If you build a vertical spinner with a needle bearing below (use a non magnetic brass bolt) and a simple hole at the upper end of the axis, the axis can be a steel needle and should be much shorter than in my build. I recommend a vertical spinner with a needle bearing, much easier to build and coils can be nicely placed around it.

Greetings, Conrad
« Last Edit: December 16, 2013, 08:35:56 PM by conradelektro »

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Neutral Zone of Wesley Gary.
« Reply #302 on: December 17, 2013, 04:07:42 PM »

Here's a video exploring Wesley Gary's Neutral Zone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3qY4nzMew


Another very good short video demonstrating the polarity shift:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6QQ9i6siGM


Quote from Conradelektro:


"You have to play around a bit to become aware of it. It is not immediately evident, because it is such a small region where one can feel the repelling without doubt. When the spin-Magnet is stationary the attraction is everywhere, such easy to see". 





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Neutral Zone of Wesley Gary.
« Reply #302 on: December 17, 2013, 04:07:42 PM »
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Levitator positioner.
« Reply #303 on: December 17, 2013, 04:58:35 PM »
A small Shirazee design levitator could be placed at a distance from the base of the coil, against a peg fastened axial disk magnet to keep the diametric core stack positioned precisely in the optimal neutral zone polarity shift output area, not from optical data, but from output power feedback. This kind of self tuning positioner would perfect the generator.


Tinselkoala and Milehigh could probably handle that end of the design with another Op-Amp. This new type of Hendershot output coil together with their revoloutionary power circuit would probably make nuclear fission obsolete.    

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #304 on: December 17, 2013, 08:47:05 PM »
@synchro1: very interesting info.

For the first tests I will try to position the "synchro coil" by hand, which I think I can do up to a 1 mm precision. Yesterday I tried shortly to find the sweet spot with the horizontal model. It is further away from the spinning magnet than one likes to think (some 80 mm). I guess it depends on the strength of the spinning magnet and of the strength of the coil magnet (the strange "tube magnet" with the alternating poles).

There is unfortunately a practical problem. The Christmas season bogs me down with many social obligations and I can not do much tinkering at the moment. This will probably last till the new year. Be patient, I will not give up this project, but I am slow. May be some one can beat me to it?

I tried to find some useful information about Hendershot:

http://www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot.html

http://www.rexresearch.com/hendershot2/hendershot.htm

The patent might have been filed, but was never published as far as I could find out using this:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP

Well, very mysterious, very strange, little useful information, but we will crack it, one way or the other.

Synchro1, may be you want to give us a reason why you are not building such a device, you sound so confident that it works? Never mind if there are personal reasons which you do not want to talk about. But technical reasons might be helpful for others.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #305 on: December 17, 2013, 09:35:11 PM »
Very bad scam with the Hendershot generator http://thehendershotgenerator.com/paygear/

For 47.-- you can buy a miracle! I really hate this, so stupid and so bad!

I hope synchro1 has nothing to do with this bad scam?

The absolutely total stupid sales pitch starts at about minute 16 in the video, you will solve all your power problems by buying some paper for 47.--

Synchro1, are you playing me along and are you laughing when you write your posts in this thread?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #306 on: December 17, 2013, 10:27:49 PM »
@Conradelektro,


                        The Hendershot generator apparently only worked intermittently if at all. I'm not trying to sell it. You have to fly the "Synchro Coil" by hand to get it to put out copiously. The neutral zone is only a hair's width. The poor tolerance of your needle rotor is enough to wobble the zone across the face of the magnet stack, and shift the polarity. The power in the shifting poles is awesome compared to the tiny micro millimeter distance you need to move through the zone. You have to hold the coil and position it artfully to get the full output. The zone is more fluid then solid. The automatic fine tuning positioner is the hurdle that caused me to stop my progress. I considered remote servos and sensing circuitry, but the mechanism was too cumbersome and retarded in response to be practical.

                         The coil will not continue to work in a fixed position for long. You have to sit there on an adjustment screw to get it to operate maximumly. This is potentially a kilowatt generator, perhaps thousands of times overunity. Hendershot deliverd over 40 horsepower for the Army Aircorps in Philidelphia. Nicola Tesla and Charles Lindburg were at the demonstration. The motor koncked out, and was shelved. This problem can be overcome I believe with the levitator positioning circuitry.  


                         Wesley Gary was the first inventor to analyze the neutral zone. Look once again at schematic  number 3 and 4 below. You can see the polarity reverse as the keeper travels across the zone. This distance is only a split hair in width! Think of the power it would take to generate that shift in an electromagnetic coil! That's the power we get to recover with the tiny motion across the zone. Hendershot was a handyman with the "Touch" required to milk the power from the generator.


                        The levitator circuit can turn your experimental coil into a powerful and practical generator that will have the promise to alter our Geo-resource economy dramatically. I am not flirting with you as a jokester. This is very very serious business.    

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #307 on: December 17, 2013, 11:17:06 PM »
The poor tolerance of your needle rotor is enough to wobble the zone across the face of the magnet stack, and shift the polarity. The power in the shifting poles is awesome compared to the tiny micro millimeter distance you need to move through the zone. You have to hold the coil and position it artfully to get the full output. The zone is more fluid then solid. The automatic fine tuning positioner is the hurdle that caused me to stop my progress. I considered remote servos and sensing circuitry, but the mechanism was to cumbersome and retarded in response to be practical.

                         The coil will not continue to work in a fixed position for long. You have to sit there on an adjustment screw to get it operate maximumly. This is potentially a kilowatt generator, perhaps thousands of times overunity. Hendershot deliverd over 40 horsepower for the Army Aircorps in Philidelphia. Nicola Tesla and Lindburg were at the demonstration. The motor knocked out, and was shelved. This problem can be overcome I believe with the levitation circuitry.   

                         Wesley Gary was the first inventor to analyze the neutral zone. Look once again at schematic  number 3 and 4 below. You can see the polarity reverse as the keeper travels across the zone. This distance is only a split hair in width! Think of the power it would take to generate that shift in an electromagnetic coil! That's the power we get to recover with the tiny motion across the zone. Hendershot was a handyman with the "Touch" required to milk the power from the generator.

                        The levitator circuit can turn your experimental coil into a powerful and practical generator that will have the promise to alter our Geo-resource economy dramatically. I am not flirting with you as a jokester. This is very very serious business.   

@synchro1: fair enough, thank you for the explanation. In fact, your explanation sounds much better than claiming "I have done it". A simple solution would be the most incredible thing. The difficulties you describe could explain why nobody has done it till now.

I definitely do not claim that I can solve it, but I will investigate a bit. It would be good enough to see some inexplicable output at least for some seconds. That would warrant further investigation.

The levitation circuit does not sound good in my ears, I rather think about some type of servo driven by a microprocessor which reads a sensor. The question is "what sensor"? May be a one sided Hall sensor (which only sees one pole) could help.

May be one only tries to move the coil back and forth through the sweet spot to flip the polarisation, instead of keeping the coil in the fluid zone.

1) coil is too close to spinning magnet
2) move the coil away till the magnetic field flips (seen by the one sided Hall sensor)
3) move the coil back towards the spinning magnet till the magnetic field flips
4) repeat at 1)

A movement of only a tenth of a millimetre should be enough? May be Hendershot vibrated the coil with a spring and a solenoid, like the electric bell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bell

And as you speculate, may be the little wobble of my magnet spinners does the trick? It should be some random wobble which could move the sweet spot often and far enough?

Just dreaming. And there is no hurry, the world can wait for the miracle a few more weeks.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #308 on: December 18, 2013, 01:09:13 AM »
Hi Conrad,

When you have time, look at this post on this neutral zone, it includes a short video too to show the change of the poles as per the distance is varied: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12413-mr-lester-j-hendershots-magnetic-generator-15.html#post243142   Graham's (member GSM) posts on Hendeshot and on Wesley Gary's setup are worth reading in that thread.
Years ago I also tested the presence of the neutral zone, using an AM radio ferrite rod (with rectangular cross section) but I did not have much help to construct a good mechanical setup so had no chance to explore the power capabilities. The neutral line exists of course, the distance how far away or closer this line is with respect to the magnet, it depends on the strength of the magnet and probably the facing area of the soft iron core towards the magnet and on the core permeability.

Greetings, Gyula


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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #309 on: December 18, 2013, 08:23:16 AM »
@Gyula: Thank you for the information, very interesting. I am intrigued and will investigate. The "neutral line" seems to be something which is not a mere myth. The Hendershot tale is a bit too far out for my taste.

I wonder whether synchro1's "tube magnet" (diametrically magnetised ring magnets in a stack) is equivalent to the horse shoe magnet of Wesley Gray?

Or is the spinning magnet the "horse shoe magnet"?

It seems to be essential to do the experiment (from the video you cited and from at least two Gary patents) with a horse shoe magnet? Did you use a horse shoe magnet in your experiment with the rectangular ferrite rod? But it could be that at Gary's time one simply had no other magnets easily available?

Please look at the attached drawing, is A or B the euivalent of a horse shoe magnet or none?

Greetings, Conrad
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #310 on: December 18, 2013, 09:38:17 AM »
I found a "horse shoe magnet" in my left over boxes (relicts of former experiments). Is this a horse shoe magnet equivalent?

Four strong Neodymium disk magnets and two soft iron bars stuck to the disk magnet stack (to form a near U-shape). It seems to hold a third soft iron bar like a horse shoe magnet (a bridge over the open end of the U-shape).

One could use thicker soft iron bars and file them to a round shape where they touch the disk magnet stack. In fact, the bar which is held over the open end of the U-shape has been filed to a round shape at one end, but I never made a second one, because the rectangular soft iron bars seemed to work as well.

I could wind a coil on each rectangular soft iron bar or over the disk magnets (may be use smaller magnets and smaller soft iron bars)? Looking at Gray's stuff and the videos concerning the "neutral line" I do not see a "synchro coil"? Therefore "horse shoe magnets" float around in my head? I do not refuse to build a "synchro coil", just thinking and speculating. We are in uncharted territory of strange tales and forgotten head lines of almost 100 years ago.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #311 on: December 18, 2013, 12:12:58 PM »
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Please look at the attached drawing, is A or B the euivalent of a horse shoe magnet or none?


Hi Conrad,

Yes those setups you show are horse shoe variants indeed but I think you can get a stronger i.e. better horse shoe magnet when you arrange the setup as I show in your modified drawing, version A.
Magnet stacking is not essential but adds more flux, and it is better for the flux transfer when the facing surfaces (between the magnets and the prongs of the curved or straight soft iron) have more or less the same surface area.
I included a C variant too, I believe to be also a good substitute for a real horse shoe magnet. Graham mentioned attaching strong Neo magnets (in correct attract mode) to the ends of a ceramic or ALNICO horse shoe magnet because the latter types are much cheaper than to order an expensive custom made Neo horse shoe magnet (you cannot really find horse shoe shaped Neo magnets, however you can find relatively cheap or moderate priced ceramic or ALNICO horse shoe magnets sold for educational (school) physics labs etc but then now you can build such from normal Neos and soft iron).
Essentially what is required for the Wesley Gary's effect (to get the neutral line for a 'keeper' iron) is to have two unlike magnetic poles bridged on one of their common sides (i.e. via the horse shoe or straight piece) and place a 'keeper' iron piece on the other side of the magnet poles where the neutral line develops.

Of course you place the output coil onto the 'keeper' soft iron (which is positioned in the neutral zone), this means you have to use either (thin) laminated core or maybe ferrite core to get rid of eddy current losses when you load the output coil. The frequency of the output voltage is defined by the speed of the mechanical 'vibration' the keeper core is oscillated with.  If you prefer to use the word 'syncro coil' for the output coil, so be it, though I have not followed this thread recently to figure out what it is.

I think some of Graham's further (single) postings are worth reading here when you have time:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3639-multiplication-electrical-energy-moving-neutral-induction-line-space.html#post242176 
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14534-use-force-luke-use-force.html#post242384 
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14534-use-force-luke-use-force-2.html#post242829
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14534-use-force-luke-use-force-2.html#post242877
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12413-mr-lester-j-hendershots-magnetic-generator-14.html#post242104
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12413-mr-lester-j-hendershots-magnetic-generator-15.html#post243155
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12413-mr-lester-j-hendershots-magnetic-generator-15.html#post243189
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14534-use-force-luke-use-force-3.html#post243357

Greetings,  Gyula

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #312 on: December 18, 2013, 02:07:36 PM »

@Conradelektro,

I tried to buy a Piezo actuator to act as a positioner, but I did not think of a one sided Hall effect sensor . Interfacing the Piezo actuator with a voltage reader caused me an insurmountable problem. Perhaps the combination of these two simple components may work the magic. Good idea! We can simply glue a cheap Piezo actuator to the back end of the magnet stack and attach it to a brace on the coil face. We can then glue the Hall effect sensor to a plastic extender on the front of the magnet stack. Now all we need is a tiny battery and circuit between the actuator and the sensor. This shouldn't draw hardly any power at all.


The diametric magnet field would resemble a horseshoe magnet field on the end through a magnetic flux viewer. The Bloch wall or neutral zone between the poles would be centered in each case.

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #313 on: December 18, 2013, 02:19:59 PM »
Thank you Gyula and synchro1 for your explanations.

To clarify for all readers what synchro1 proposes, I made a drawing of the "synchro coil" (a generator coil).

I do not realy see the connection (the equivalent components) between a "Gary horshoe magnet neutral line / plate near the neutral line" and what synchro1 proposes (the "synchro coil" near the spinning magnet)?

Synchro1 could you formulate your thoughts on the connection between the "Gary setup" and your "synchro coil"?

I understand that Gyula envisions the generator coil on the plate near or exactly at the neutral line in front of a horse shoe magnet (what I call the "Gary setup").

The Piezo actuator sounds great but it is too early for me to go into that. I want to experiment with a "synchro coil" near my two magnetspinners first. May be one has to go back to the "Gary setup" with a coil on the plate and glue the plate to the Piezo actuator?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: "Gary setup" is Fig.1 to Fig.4 from synchro1's post http://www.overunity.com/13852/self-accelerating-reed-switch-magnet-spinner/msg379824/#msg379824

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #314 on: December 18, 2013, 02:31:02 PM »
Here's a schematic of Domain walls:

 

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