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Author Topic: Toroidal Coils  (Read 34256 times)

Dave45

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Re: Toroidal Coils
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2013, 05:21:55 PM »
I like your coil designs Iv been playing with spoked coils or rodin type coils as well.
I wonder if we ran the current through the spoked coils first then into the driver circuit would the spoke coils oscillate on the backside of the driver.

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Re: Toroidal Coils
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2013, 03:12:09 AM »

I have 2 'inner' coils in this one. 
The red rope winding is 'the new winding'
The RedGreen is an inner of the new winding, it's a inner-core coil.
The white/blue/red coil in the center is just inner coil.


New winding, is 31 feet (plus a little for padding), 24 filaments of 28GA wire.
I connected 2 sets 12 filaments in series.
On the 6" diameter windings, one series filament measures  inductance of 8.(1?)mH and 30.(2?)mH together.


The inner-core coil is 70uH.


When open the new winding is stealing almost all of the signal from the inner red/green core! HELP!


The complexity of the coils is starting to require fore-knowledge of design.


Inner-core coil, driving; new winding picks up +/- 700V resonance at about 4Khz.


new winding driving had issues; had to increase the power supply inductance; used a ignition coil secondary for the inductance, and smoothed out the drive.  .. I dunno I oscillated, not at a super high voltage I guess...


so I reverted the power inductance since that was much too much for the other coils to be in the mazilli driver.


Maybe I should just jump to now.


I put the configuration back; I ended up having to use a ferrite core, because the resonant frequency difference is so very large.... when I drive the inner coil (white winding only, 24 turns total), I induce a high voltage in the new winding.  But it doesn't behave the same as before... I can't get a usable differential from it... that is I can't ground the clockwise side and the counter clockwise of the other and get a +/- delta on it... the ends are in-phase.   I still pickup some voltage on the inner-core coil, but not enuogh to drive the LED load.  Even leaving the new winding totally open, I cannot get enough drive on the inner-core coil;  what I do get is strong ozone from the ends of the open winding; so I'm getting a huge power loss there apparently.


So; the new winding has destroyed the ability to use the prior configuration.


There is quite a current of high voltage also, got some pretty good arcs through the tips of my fingers accidentally brushing a ground.


So... this doesn't really answer my questions


1) is it better to drive with an inner-core coil or an inner coil; really either is sufficient (?)


but, then I can't also use the inner coil to drive the new winding and the inner-core coil... So I think this is where the intersection should be I guess.


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To go back to akula's device....
A, a driven coil at X frequency, inside a pickup coil... Since the inductance of the secondary becomes the significant resonant point with the mazilli, it's the frequency of the secondary, which is inside the load coil.
B, a driven coil at 3X frequency, at a higher voltage potential (tesla tower), is outside of the load coil.  These two intersect on the pickup coil.


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This would mean... a inner coil (maybe an outer coil; not outer-core; above/below?)  of 12 turns, which excites an outer-core winding of high inductance


around the inner coil put another coil that has the voltage pickup on the outside, and 1 or 2 inner-core coils...


But then frequency becomes the problem... seems like coils have a frequency with or without capacitance, that adding capacitance just reduces.






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Re: Toroidal Coils
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2013, 03:17:13 AM »

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Re: Toroidal Coils
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2013, 03:23:56 AM »
Two seperate coils are reversable without opening them.
Originally the thin rope winding was on the outside, but tinkering I ended up with it on the inside.. then reversed it back out, and spread out the inner... and the ends were soldered together... actually becuase of the knotting of the coil, it's impossible to slip one through the other even if the ends were open.


I'm pretty sure if 3 coils were all interwound, they would all be interchangeable in position.




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Re: Toroidal Coils
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2013, 02:12:36 AM »
Hmm... I guess I never included schematics here...


I have falstad sim...

falstad sim

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Re: Toroidal Coils
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2013, 06:28:49 PM »
Playing with vortex bottles... two 2 liter bottles with their caps joined.


1) the orifice of the interface should be smooth and curving
2) (probably) depending on the viscosity and specific gravity (density) of the substances the size of the orifice needs to be large enough to counteract the weight against the surface tension... (oh I guess it's just surface tension?)  Other than it also needs to flow one into the other.


It's an interchange of two different mediums.  Probably with a similar rotational structure...


With a small orifice.  You must impart a circular motion to the water.  This causes a higher pressure on the outside and a lower pressure on the inside, allowing the low density fluid to go up ... If the pressure exchange can become constant, there will be a surface tension wall on the water around the inner conduit of air.  As long as the circular motion in the top bottle can be maintained, the exchange of water on top and air on bottom will continue.  At a point, the votex collapses internally, and bubbles (enclosed pockets of air with a water suface on all side) begin to form and get pushed up the tube (pulled? by the vacuum no the top?) So it starts frothing.


Back to electronics...

The spinning motion of the water reminds me of a magnetic field, evacuating a space to allow electrostatic transfer the other direction.


1) To have a motion, the vortex must open first?
2) Because of a motion a vortex forms.


1) inertia says a particle in motion remains in motion.. so its vortex must also remain until stopped.  its vortex will interact with other vortexes that also exist, unless the mass of induction is equal. 


The inner vortex must open.  It can be non continuous... that is in a bubble/ pinches off from others... so the smallest possible vortex form is...?  Cavitation, low pressure toroidal rings that self propel?  (nano manufacturing, Mark LeClaire ? close)


the higher the inducted field, the less resistance to current flow; higher current flow causes higher heat...


Still doesn't lend to a good idea of how induction forms....


Other than the first induction is in the same direction in near windings...


Let's suppose that magnetic fields flow from the positive, and static fields from the negative....


THe closing induction... where flow is reducing, causes an inversed flow in the other?  Does it matter?  Can the secondary be conditioned so it will result in an induction the other way; as long as it is allowed to flow?  Other than attraction/repulsion of near windings...














 

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