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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1725915 times)

Pirate88179

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3855 on: December 05, 2010, 12:31:10 AM »
Those are not caps, those are the earth battery coils.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3856 on: December 05, 2010, 12:36:15 AM »
this is not a good zoom but....

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3857 on: December 05, 2010, 01:17:59 AM »
Could be bill but the pic I saw was a close up and it was obviously caps. Ill try to hunt it down.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3858 on: December 11, 2010, 02:18:54 PM »
Well, I am just waiting on the wire now, so while I am waiting I am doing some random searches and came up with this

http://www.stormwise.com/

I'll have to call to see if he is using hard or soft ferrite, but it looks like it may be a source for some long ferrite rods...

Stu

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3859 on: January 06, 2011, 06:55:20 PM »
Any thoughts if this may be a viable experiment?

Although we can use the PMH to transform DC into natural AC by running it through the PMH especially with the bar off.  Leedskalnin tells us this is how  the PMH works as a transformer.   By putting two coils on the PMH and applying DC to only one of the coils, the output of the opposite coil is AC (please test this yourself).   This is natural AC and it has a unique sensation to the touch.The Perpetual Motion Holder produces AC but its poles do not alternate.
   
Here  Leedskalnin teaches how the alternating currents are made:

This is the way the North and South Pole individual magnets are running out of the coil's wire lengthwise.  The reason the North and South pole individual magnets do not run across through the coils' wire as fast as they run in while in the coil is between the U shape magnet, the coil's wire is insulated, there is an air space around every wire and as it is known that the dry air is the best obstruction for the magnets to go through and as you know the coil is well insulated so the damp air does not get in. (Think damp NS coil)  It is well known that it is many times easier for the magnets to run in metal than in air, now you see when the magnets run in the wire they hesitate to run out of the wire across the same way as they came in, so more of the new magnets are coming in the crosswise, then they can get out crosswise, so they get pushed out through the wire lengthwise.  Now you know how the alternating magnetic currents are made.

    * South Pole Individual Magnet ≈ Electron

    * North Pole Magnet  ≈ Proton

    * South Pole Magnet = negative (-)

    * North Pole Magnet = positive (+)
   
http://www.leedskalnin.com/


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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3860 on: January 07, 2011, 05:30:57 PM »
More thoughts on this. Im seeing a relationship between the telluric currents and the "Natural Ac" of the magnetic current of the pmh. Im still of the mind that the spikes from the telluric currents are running into the abundance of varied radioactive materiel's and metals in the Earth. If a scope shot could be done on the Pmh ac coil I would think the wave form would be uniform. It was stated that the Pmh ac coils magnetic polarity did not reverse. But at any given point I would think both north and south magnetic poles of each individual magnet pass the point as it flows through. It just doesnt do a total reversal in the path as a whole. 
Added another wiring scheme.
 

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3861 on: January 08, 2011, 09:11:35 AM »
Jeanna,
Thank you for your latest comment on this thread.
I will say one thing to all of you working to replicate LaserSaber's Motor and his effects. I have done all this when I put up my pages on Stubblefield. My tip to all of you is to do it exactly the way he is showing to do it, do not try to second guess him as he is right on in what he is doing. I have spent two weeks reading everything here. I just wanted to see what is going on in my field as I started back in the 70's with my experiments in hidden energy, not really hidden if you understand what your looking for.

 I will say this again stop looking for current with meters as it does not matter with this energy. What LaserSaber's films are showing is a separation in magnetic streams as electricity is all magnetic streams. Just placing an Iron rod in the ground will cause it to become very magnetic and if you switch it you have a motor function monopole wise. The digital meters do not measure magnetic current correct, only if you close the loop as taught in electronics, but that is not how this energy works. The Stubblefield coil is nothing more then a magnetic stream separator and you can see this if you watch his video as he clearly shows the effect of that separation. Think about what water is, that is why when the coil dries out you get  more energy.

The answer to that question is water is repelled buy magnetic currents so the coil repels the water out of it as it does this you get an electrical increase. It really does not make any difference what you use in place of the iron wire. I have used in some of my coils cotton covered  Nichrome wire in place of the iron. I have used just regular steel bolts in some of them. The best being pure cast iron powered cores which I made using cuttings from engine boring machines, it's free if you ask for it from an engine rebuilder.

LaserSaber made the perfect Monopole Motor, but you could use a special Darlington transistor to switch it, if you make it. Stubblefield used horseshoe magnets in his motor and the contactor of the time would have been mercury. Now think about copper chloride if you think you need current. One other tip here build the identical machine as laserSaber did and you will discover the effects in magnetic current and how it flows once it is separated, all electricity is magnetic, north magnets and south magnets in balance if you unbalance them you have electricity.
Again Thanks Jeanna for your kind words very thoughtful of you.
John B

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3862 on: January 08, 2011, 09:39:02 AM »
@john_bedini,

So, how are we to measure the energy input into the electric system and the energy obtained from the electric system if we stop looking for current with meters? Why should, say, a Hall effect current probe not be used form measuring current? And, what about copper chloride if we think we need current? How does that work?

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3863 on: January 08, 2011, 06:56:03 PM »
Omnibus,
I find several ways to do this. When I could not detect what your referring to as electron current. it is not really the measurement of current with earth batteries as they just developed potential voltage and very little current. LaserSaber has shown that in the videos with the compass is one of the ways to detect this by that movement. you can build a hall device with an amplifier also.

The thing to remember is that the earth cell would like to drive a very high impedance load. the copper chloride would act as a depolarizer for the earth cell allowing much higher magnetic current between the windings if the right amount is used. I think you all have built these devices, but how many have built motors out of them?. I have shown how to charge batteries with just the simple monopole circuit, you would do the same thing with his circuit with the reed. The other thing is that you can also build a very sensitive galvanometer.

I have built Monopole motors this way not saying anything about the windings in the machine, the transformer action can and does charge batteries with the spikes. Batteries just want potential and that will move Ions in the battery, that's all I have ever been saying. If your going to use textbook circuits then yes you need current but that is just a waste of energy. I do not know how long lasersabers motors have been running in this condition. I do know of clocks that have been running for years using this idea and are still running. You can also feel this energy by touch on grounding rods.

The thing about this coil is how it transmits audio through the ground and how far you can go and still pick up the signal, I did have a bout with the FCC over these frequencies I could use. When they got done nothing was left in the audio band I could use but I continued to experiment anyway even if the fine was steep. I just filtered out the bands they were on with steep notch filters. They can here you with these coils, ground radio transmission with no power.
Hope this answers some questions. But if you want a motor just follow LaserSabers directions then use the circuit that people use with the monopole circuits to charge batteries, they will work.
John B

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3864 on: January 08, 2011, 07:18:02 PM »
@john-bedini,

I hope you won't get offended by that but I call that pseudo-science. And I don't mean that in a derogatory way but to distingush it from the generally accepted notions regarding the nature of current, energy and so on. I am a classically trained scientist and to me current is a directed flow of electrons. For that to occur you need to have the circuit closed.  Energy is the ability to do work and it is generally described by the availability of negative difference of the Gibbs free energy which one can utilize. In electrochemistry that's the difference between two spatially separated substances connected in a closed circuit through conductors of the first or second order. In this sense I don's see anything unusual about the so -called Stubblefield battery because it can be nothing but a galvanic cell. My understanding is that if somebody would claim OU he should provide clear evidence that the incoming energy, properly established, is less than the ougoung energy, also properly established. Now, if new kinds of energy are to be claimed then there should be ways to detect them by converting them into known types of energies so that the conventional energy balance can be found. If there is some kind of non-conventional energy balance to be claimed, it has to be explained very clearly why should that be used and not the conventional energy balance. I'll be glad to be proven wrong but so far I haven't seen anything convincing in this respect, except for maybe what Steorn is demonstrating.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3865 on: January 08, 2011, 10:10:29 PM »
Omnibus,
No you can't offend me as I understand both end's of the debate with this energy. It is really not anything different just said different. Ohms law is Ohms law, power is power the way we measure it. I agree with you. I just want to think out of the box with this energy. I have used meters my whole life and worked for people that had many different views of energy.

 Just at this last conference I did present a machine and allowed people to view it and measure it if they wanted too. My systems use split batteries for the reason of measurement if the machine is built right. The measurements and experiments are what concerns me, proof of principal. I find nothing free about free energy as you must pay to get it so it is not free work is required (spent energy).

The other question is how do you know we have any electrons I would think it's more like space charges weather it is magnetic streams emitting from the sun or not I find a conversion process taking place and it is this process that makes the difference and how it is stated (pseudo-science in all the best forms).

Science is not understood by everybody in these groups as they are just doing experiments in hopes of discovering something different, I have an open mind to give them the chance until proven otherwise. But it may be we do not state the science correct. Solar energy with solar panels is one of those direct conversions, it is by no means Free, you must work to get it. Water Power is not free either as you must imbalance the magnetic field to get it. Stubblefield coils are not free either.

The term Free Energy is the "Pseudo-Science" because it is not explained correctly to the science community. The Stubblefield battery is nothing more then a way to force electrons through a rectifying junction using moisture as what would happen in a semiconductor without the water, so call it electrons or magnetic streams they mean the same thing since electricity is very magnetic, can't have one without the other.

So yes your right as it is not explained in the terminology  you understand the best. I'm also classical trained but I'm bored with classical circuits as they offer no excitement. I want to look in other areas. It's not a waste of time for these people to be doing experiments as it is a learning process after all that is how you learned things when you were growing up, I hope. So no offence taken just happy to talk to you with real science if need be.
John B

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3866 on: January 08, 2011, 10:45:33 PM »
John:

You may have seen it but a while back, I ran an electric motor from my earth battery.  I replicated JonnyDavro's One magnet, No bearing Bedini Motor and it ran from the EB just fine.  Prior to this, Jim (Electricme) down in Australia, ran a tail rotor motor from an RC helicopter from his EB.

My videos are all posted on Youtube under Pirate88179 and again, I want to thank you for your contribution to energy research and for your sharing your thoughts, ideas and experiments with us all.  We are all better off for it.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3867 on: January 08, 2011, 11:03:00 PM »
Hi Pirate ,would it be possible to get links decribing the circuts you used with your EB's to run the motors? Or was it EB's in conjunction with a JT......thanx shylo

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« Reply #3868 on: January 08, 2011, 11:22:03 PM »

Good to see you and your wisdom :)
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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3869 on: January 08, 2011, 11:29:37 PM »
Hi Pirate ,would it be possible to get links decribing the circuts you used with your EB's to run the motors? Or was it EB's in conjunction with a JT......thanx shylo

No, no JT involved in this one.  Just the EB and a 650 F boostcap.  Here is the video link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY

What I did not show was when I disconnected the battery being charged (9 volt) the 90 volt neon lit up brightly.  I wish I had showed that in the video.

Bill