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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6135 on: September 22, 2013, 12:09:16 AM »
Thank you.

I already saw this and was hoping somebody would actually pencil in the SSR.
But, . . . . I suppose,. . .  I should just get off my lazy tail and build it.   8)

And, in reality, don't even need an SSR which, BTW, does have some speed limitations with these particular relays.
This could also be done with just another transistor such as the MJL21194.

I did manage to conceive how an optical timing disk should look.
I doubt if this is an original thought.
I probably saw something like it somewhere, sometime, in my past.
Looks like a shutter in a motion picture projector.

Two identical disks, cut from thin material, with tabs and not holes or slots.
And disk color probably doesn't matter much with an infrared sensor.  Uh.... except, maybe, clear. . .  acrylic is probably not a good choice. . .
For a six coil machine; can be adjusted from zero gap to a full sixty degrees wide gap.
And could actually be a pretty lightweight material including plain card stock.

But, still, need to get off my lazy tail and actually build it. . . .

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6135 on: September 22, 2013, 12:09:16 AM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6136 on: October 04, 2013, 08:31:41 PM »
What is the best performance anyone has so far. I mean in percentage, has anyone got OU yet? or maybe 95% Thank Jerry

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6137 on: October 15, 2013, 12:43:29 AM »
I finally got off my lazy tail long enough to clean up the mess I made when attempting to uninstall the timing disk.
Quanta magnetics performed very well providing the new parts in a timely manor. Thank you quanta magnetics!

But these parts have been sitting on my bench waiting for me to get it done.
I did use a dremel sanding drum to create a 'notch' or relief in the hub in order to clear any new burs that may occur from the set screw in contact with the round shaft.
And that did work well. (see images) I just hope I don't run into a similar problem when I remove one of the rotors to be reconfigured for the Q3.

So it is nice to have this machine back up and running . . . so I can play with it and . . . tear it all back apart again. . .  ;)

And it does appear to be running in a substantially more stable condition with the new timing disk and magnets.
The old disk did have a couple magnets that were not, quite, seated squarely in the holes, and sitting at a slight angle, which was causing a noticeable 'throbbing' or 'pulsing' in the motor that could be clearly seen on the amp meter.
Which is, now, almost completely gone. In the video; the meter movement is almost stationary now.

So now that I have it up and running again; I am going to start tearing it back down in favor of converting to a Q3. . .
But did produce another quick video before I begin tear-down.

I wanted to see how the alternator performs without any load or switching and I was impressed by producing over 200VAC out from just 25VDC in at around 200ma and under 500RPM.
And here is the video demonstration- http://youtu.be/iWMzBv3xCL4

I realize I have been pretty lazy and not really getting as much done as I could but, after all, this is still just an experiment for me to play with at this point.
Although the eventual goal is a system that may actually be practical and able to perform in a long term application similar to what has been demonstrated here-
http://www.youtube.com/user/PMMG4HYBRID

That is all, for now, and I hope to accomplish more over the next few weeks.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6137 on: October 15, 2013, 12:43:29 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6138 on: October 21, 2013, 12:38:51 AM »
Completed some more fabrication this weekend.
Made a jig for winding the toroidal stator and completed winding the coils.

Winding 250 feet of 16AWG magnet wire around a toroid core was a big pain in my tail.
Somebody should make an automatic machine to perform this task! . . .   :)

That is all for now.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6139 on: October 27, 2013, 11:07:03 PM »
Hello all; I tried assembling the toroidal generator bracket kit this weekend but was unable to complete due to some missing parts.

Also discovered that the larger through bolts and washers are so close to the smaller, corner, bolts that the washers are actually on top of each other. . .

Just some constructive criticism-
Not only should parts not interfere with each other; I think the corner bolts are pretty redundant.

With the two, large, through bolts and the correct spacers, shouldn't need the other, smaller, bolts, spacers, washers, and nuts right next to the large bolts. (Ten additional parts and expenses not really needed.)

Quanta magnetics has been pretty good providing solutions to problems and sending any parts I need so; I am just waiting for more parts to complete this bracket and get it mounted on the main assembly.

Looks like I may not need to convert the alternator rotors, and stators, for Q3 operation.

In the original Q3; the "alternator" section is just being as another pulse motor but this may not be necessary and, maybe, the alternator output could be useful for something else.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6139 on: October 27, 2013, 11:07:03 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6140 on: October 28, 2013, 01:17:45 AM »
Shafts being nicked by setscrews is a common problem. The burrs make it very hard to slide bearings or collars on and off the shaft.
A better way to deal with it is to modify the shaft itself rather than the objects that must slide onto it. A flat spot filed or milled onto the shaft will allow the setscrew to bear hard on the shaft without leaving burrs that get in the way; it will also prevent the setscrewed piece from rotating at all, even if the screw gets a little loose.
Another way is to machine a smaller-diameter groove or "land" all around the shaft where the setscrew contacts it. This is good if you know just where the secured bit needs to go along the shaft.
These methods have the advantage of being easier to do than the relief in the secured piece, and you only need to do the one place on the shaft, no matter how many things need to slide over it.

The "extra" bolts might be to make an assembly that doesn't need to come apart, and is separately attached to the other stuff by the longer bolts. The overlapping washers are harder to explain....

In the image below you can see the groove or land in the middle of the shafts; this is where the setscrew for the collar goes. This shaft slips through a couple of bearings so it can't have burrs on it anywhere except inside that relief area.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6141 on: November 03, 2013, 06:28:06 AM »
It seems that it is a pulse principle. The one that I want to test is fully DC, avoiding foucault. And the FCEM is kept in a torus, then no FCEM lowing the COP.
I willl build the first one at minimum cost, the second one at maximum COP and the las one at industrial faisability level (maximum standard part and standard matérials).

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6141 on: November 03, 2013, 06:28:06 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6142 on: November 03, 2013, 11:30:21 PM »
Not much to add this weekend.
I did decide to remove the vinyl tape from the toroidal coils, in favor of clear adhesive, in order to clean up the appearance.

So I am watching glue set at this point. . .

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6143 on: November 05, 2013, 02:00:48 PM »
Hi everyone,
This topic even haunts me at night.
I read almost all the posts and this morning I am very tired.
In conclusion, I ask you to be honest before I started to build this machine:
Who among you have built and managed to make the generator RomeroUK / Muller work?
I'm retired electronics with few resources and the expenditure must be justified in my budget.
I have an oscilloscope and low voltage more power tools.
Thank you for your confidence.

PS English is not my native language, excuse me for the mistakes. (French)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6143 on: November 05, 2013, 02:00:48 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6144 on: November 05, 2013, 03:23:16 PM »
Hi everyone,
This topic even haunts me at night.
I read almost all the posts and this morning I am very tired.
In conclusion, I ask you to be honest before I started to build this machine:
Who among you have built and managed to make the generator RomeroUK / Muller work?
I'm retired electronics with few resources and the expenditure must be justified in my budget.
I have an oscilloscope and low voltage more power tools.
Thank you for your confidence.

PS English is not my native language, excuse me for the mistakes. (French)


Hi captainfletcher,
No one up to this date have replicated this device succesfuly

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6145 on: November 05, 2013, 05:48:06 PM »


PS English is not my native language, excuse me for the mistakes. (French)

personne n'a jamais reproduit le generateur , meme romeouk n'a pas reussit
a reproduire sa propre machine !!

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6145 on: November 05, 2013, 05:48:06 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6146 on: November 05, 2013, 06:07:24 PM »
What haunts me is:
Zero Fossil Fuel appeared to make a substantial discovery but, then, has done little more to follow up on that.

He had a very nice system up and running, he discovered that it's possible to develop a resonance which resulted in a voltage spike, then he began building another unit.
But, to date, has not completed it, sold the original, then proceeded to work on other projects. . .

"Unlocking Muller Motor Secrets" By Zerro Fossil Fuel-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXZHdiMCKE

And to quote from this video:
"Something quite extraordinary happened when I placed the 25mfd cap across the coil; it resonated and the voltage spiked when I did that."
And: "I am 99.9 percent certain . .  . to make it a self runner . . . it should be designed as a resonant electro-mechanical assembly".
And: "When this baby hits 88MPH; you're going to see some serious stuff."

That was video #285.
Which was followed by 8 more videos and the construction of another unit.
Why did he start building another unit when the existing unit appeared to do something special? I have no idea. . .
Then video #295 titled "The plot thickens over sparten1114, Muller motor update" which details some controversy regarding the rights to the invention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRZ4PpN8Ht8
Two more videos followed detailing the beginings of building the new unit then . . . Nothing more than a few comments, here and there, about the Muller project as he continues to build OTHER things. . . .

So, yes, I, a mere bench jockey who knows very little about inductance, resonance, or sophisticated control systems; am still waiting and very haunted by this. . .

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Hi everyone,
This topic even haunts me at night.
I read almost all the posts and this morning I am very tired.
In conclusion, I ask you to be honest before I started to build this machine:
Who among you have built and managed to make the generator RomeroUK / Muller work?
I'm retired electronics with few resources and the expenditure must be justified in my budget.
I have an oscilloscope and low voltage more power tools.
Thank you for your confidence.

PS English is not my native language, excuse me for the mistakes. (French)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6147 on: November 05, 2013, 07:39:43 PM »
Hello,
Since I am interested in the free energy , the same scenario appears whenever an inventor is willing to make public his system.
Remember Steorn ! and many others who resigned just before !
I can not believe that it is every time a Fake , no.
These people get enormous pressure if it is not death.
Zero Fossil Fuel did not escape the rule. My knowledge of the English language is not sufficient to understand everything .
Our forums are monitored on LENR as Wikipedia . Additions for LENR is removed within a few hours after the posting .
I hate these people who act only for their own interests .
I am also surprised that eg topics related to MULLER are not deleted .
Then we can ask whether these " stakeholders " as " sparten1114 " really have the powers they claim ?
What do the English members of this video ?
For my part I bought today plywood cut and I intend to make a replica of the first machine RomeroUK and give here the results.
I'm 70 and I 'm not afraid of dying from a bullet, then whoever wants to scare me I expect . My family is assured....

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6148 on: November 06, 2013, 01:32:00 AM »
I removed the ugly, black, tape then used slightly less ugly general purpose adhesive and installed it in the bracket.
Quantamagnetics did mention that the reason they include all the extra hardware is because some people may want to experiment with this generator coil without actually mounting it to a Q2 or Q3 motor.
This way they can just use the bracket as a stand alone unit or mount it to something else.

I probably won't be using the extra corner bolts in favor of just using main mounting bolts in the same corners.

That is all for now and hope to get it mounted to the main assembly soon.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6149 on: November 10, 2013, 12:18:54 AM »
More assembly headaches for me this week. . .

When I wound the toroid; I found very little specifications from the manufacturer with regards to actual coil dimensions or any notes pointing out possible clearance issues to beware of.
I just knew the specification called for 125 feet of 16AWG wire per side and the videos, and photos, appear to show a coil that takes up a little under 1/4 of the toroid per side.
So this is how I fabricated the jig and wound the coils.

But, when I attempted to mount this assembly to the main unit, I discovered that the 'feet' which are part of the mount actually hit the coils.

Argh!  :P

Please forgive me for not doing more engineering and checking exact fit of the toroid ring in an assembled mock up just to check exact position of these mounts. . .
And even in the manufacturer's video image; it does appear the coil is REALLY close, or even touching, this mount on at least one side.

I am not even sure if I could wind the coils any shorter.
They are already very close to the rotor and winding them shorter would make them thicker and reduce inside diameter.
So I made a compromise and instead of mounting these 'feet' per the original drawing, and images, I mounted them in the same position of the other brackets.

Whether or not my slightly longer, slightly less thick, coils might have any performance issues is unknown because this is an experimental device without any performance specifications so this is just . . . unknown. . .
Therefore I assume a slight difference in coil width will have negligible affect on performance. . . I hope.
Otherwise I will be winding these pain in the tail coils again. . .

That is all for now.

}:>

PS: Side note-
The main support bolts, at the bottom, only thread into the plastic nuts about 2-3 turns.
Wish these bolts were a little longer. . .

 

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