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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 14935249 times)

Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4725 on: December 02, 2010, 01:02:02 PM »
Sorry I missed this one, it seems a work well done!

It is on page 307.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg264817#msg264817

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4726 on: December 02, 2010, 02:00:35 PM »
The prentice patents reference.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4727 on: December 02, 2010, 10:06:19 PM »
@ Bart

I think Don Smith deliberately introduced errors into his explanation, those who are knowledgeable will spot them and I think you have.  Introducing a variable resistor should in no way change RF frequencies down to levels suitable for conventional AC use but it can skew the resonant frequency.

Can you clarify the weak oscillations you have encountered in your experiments - were they low voltage/current amplitude (or maybe both)  low frequency or were they heavily damped oscillations?  Some old mag transmitter file I printed off (can't find the website it came from, sorry!) talked about avoiding 'frequency splitting' into the primary, but spark gaps do create a lot of electrical noise across a broad spectrum, which is why they are used for jamming radio signals.

If your primary has a high Q, you don't necessarily have to have a very high input into it to generate a high VSWR, but the higher the voltage the better for a parallel LC primary, IMO.

Can you also clarify which spark gap location caused this weak oscillation?  I'm assuming you are talking about the gap being parallel across the primary circuit.  Also, are you using a series or parallel LC as your primary?

Patrick Kelly talks about the pulsed DC from the NST causing this disturbance, from which additional energy can be captured.  I think that is incorrect.  The NST is a convenient and low cost method of transforming to a high voltage, the diodes trim to DC (I don't think that it is pulsed is really important) but applying a HV DC across the spark/arc gives a HF AC output to resonate the primary, which IS important.  That was the function of the spark gap in early radio.

@Pinoy Tech

If I understand correctly, the receiver has no effect on the transmitter providing it is in the far field, at least two wavelengths.  All the devices we see have Tx & Rx in VERY close proximity - the reactive near field.  So the Rx will impact upon the Tx, which is why, I assume, the Rx/secondary must be tuned with the (unpowerd) primary present, in the position it will be used when powered.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2010, 10:39:32 PM by freshcutgrass »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4728 on: December 02, 2010, 11:08:17 PM »
If I understand correctly, the receiver has no effect on the transmitter providing it is in the far field, at least two wavelengths.  All the devices we see have Tx & Rx in VERY close proximity - the reactive near field.  So the Rx will impact upon the Tx, which is why, I assume, the Rx/secondary must be tuned with the (unpowerd) primary present, in the position it will be used when powered.

That I am talking about!

This is transformer without Lenz's law!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4729 on: December 02, 2010, 11:46:23 PM »
John,

   Steve from http://www.i-am-a-i.org/free-energy/powerconverter.html has an interesting concept for the mixing transformer. Have you seen his other thread? I was taking another look at the Virtual Photon power converter, this time with a bit more high voltage knowledge, and I had an idea that relates to this thread.

   After work today I built a very quick 'Proof of Concept' circuit that consisted of nothing more then just a induction coil (older style automotive ignition xfr), High voltage capacitor (35Kv / 400pf) copper plate and spark gap.
I have to say I was quickly rewarded with results. These results may cause controversy depending on what you have read in books regarding high voltage and capacitors.

   As far as I see it I was able to 'pull' a spark from a copper sheet in the air. This is how the experiment was conducted. For HV I used an induction coil 12 volt input for a car. The HV output, about 9000 volts dc was feed to one side of a 35kv 400Pf capacitor. The other side of the capacitor I had a wire that leads to a copper plate mounted on PVC pipe. Also off  the capacitor I installed a spark gap to ground.

   With this setup I quickly fired up the induction coil and every so often I would get a small arc through the spark gap. What is interesting is that the one side of the capacitor is connected to a copper plate. Ground is separated by
a spark gap.

   I was a bit surprised to see a spark and a current being generated. The capacitor is rated for 35,000 volts so 'breakdown' is a non issue.

   I have an old book that I downloaded from the internet about high voltage. This book was written during Tesla's time around 1910 or so. The most interesting park of the book was a paragraph regarding HV. This author states that HV run like a sound wave.
   The example he gives is as follows. Two steel pipes are separated by a rubber insert. HV is applied to one half, this voltage will not travel to the other steel pipe due to the rubber gasket between the sections. What will travel are the vibrations from the high voltage. He compares it to talking to someone through a wall. You can hear the person due to the vibrations passing through.

   Going back to my experiment I believe the vibrations from the HV are passing through the capacitor, This is creating a negative voltage on the other side of the capacitor and copper plate. With respect to the discharge of the induction coil this voltage is negative, but with respect to ground this would have to be positive.

   As it stands I was firing this by hand. A driver for the induction coil would be much better to have.

Respectfully,

Core

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4730 on: December 03, 2010, 01:02:14 AM »
  This is a classic example where your mind becomes blinded by what your eye's see. When this happens your mind starts to create a world that is divorced from reality. No sooner did you read the word 'No' a brick wall went up in your head. You refuse recognize anything else.

  You became enraged you took the attitude of 'How dare he respond with a simple no'. But do I really have to write an entire paragraph to explain the obvious? Amazing I simply write the word 'NO'  and automatically I’m recognized as being 'terse' and 'rude'. Not at one time does anybody point out that I end EVERY post I have ever written with the word 'RESPECTFULLY'. Who else show's this common courtesy? Do you see how your mind created a completely different reality because you did not read past the word No?

  I already posted a reply to your whole 'Copy/Paste' monologue. You did not like the response that both Don and I gave. You immediately thought we where stupid and that we needed your 'abridged version' to understand. My answer is still 'No'.

  What happens is this. When your mind can't figure out what is going on it automatically starts to compare it with 'things' it already knows. You and others refuse to realize truth. Since the 1950's to present day there have been literally thousands upon thousands of Tesla coils made. Just Google Tesla coil. These coils have been made by expert craftsman who took every detail into account. There is NOT ONE TESLA COIL, however professionally tuned, that has even yielded a hint to gaining free energy. NOT ONE! Why is this reality so hard to understand? Do you see how your monolog amounts to nothing but regurgitated words that do not add any substance to the subject of the thread.

  Let me ask you a question, I assume you already researched Tariel's device and have viewed the YouTube video's.

Question: What if everything you thought was right was wrong?

 Well this is where you start. This is a hard starting point for many people, if not all of use, because our minds refuses to re-discover a reality that it spent a lifetime creating. So many people have viewed Tariel's 'Green box' video, his first device, and automatically assumed Tesla coil. This happened because our eyes saw copper tubing wrapped around a coil and our mind then created the only reality it knows refusing to accept anything else. It is that same thought process that prompted the quote by the member above. The mind, simple refusing, quitting on you, to see the whole picture.

  I now challenge anybody, on any forum, to show me a Tesla coil that has the 'spark gap' wire running 'inside' the copper tubing. If you know of such a Tesla device please post information regarding it. If you do not believe go back and view the video. Tariel is extremely clever. The color of the wires, off the spark gap, are not by accident but by design. It is difficult to see the green wire against the green box. Also it is difficult to see a blue wire against a blue taped coil. So the closed mind will see a Tesla coil, this is the reality that Tariel attempts to create for you. The keen observer will see a completely different world with greater options.

  I ask again show me a Tesla device that has the spark gap wire running inside the copper tubing. Do I have any takers?

Respectfully,

Core

EVERY TC is under unity if you use resistor as load :D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4731 on: December 03, 2010, 01:13:17 AM »
That I am talking about!

This is transformer without Lenz's law!

When I did TC tosts Reciever affects transmitter always no matter the distance... larger distance lower pickup...

Probably if your load at reciever is not resistive that way it will not affect transmitter ..,

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4732 on: December 03, 2010, 08:55:47 AM »
@ Core,

Nice experiment man. By the way, the old book has its right in a way. Voltage can be considered that propagates as wave into conductors since an electrical pressure applied to one end of conductor pushes charges (like a series of metal balls) from end to end.

What the rubber band in the old experiment did is to nulify the conductive path. But what about the capacitative or displacement current?
Its the same case as "current" propagates via capacitors even though not conductive. At least it seems that way to me... :)

@ Freshcut...

Lets me explain myslef. I have not any formal EE degree neither posssess knowledge of contemporary EM, Wave, Antenna etc theory. My knowledge comes from basic electric circuits and basic electronic components study, as well as much of Tesla literature (as Colorado Springs notes) and a ton of experimenting so as pieces come together in a practical way infront my eyes.

Regarding the question you asked me
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Note when working with HV HF not a single electronic equipment i can connect to circuits without damaging it. So, i see and judge based from what i see and have read.

A spark-gap in series with the HV source, will create a wide spectrum of noise some of it will be the resonant point of a parallel LC. BUT, when it comes to oscillation and its strengh it is very feeble and i can touch the coil or cap without harm. So, the Prentice /  Don Smith suggestion for a spark-gap is a WASTE of energy. Period. (unless you make an antenna).

On the contrary, the 2-3 outlines, create such strong oscillations (adjusting same SG breakdown), that with a power of 40w and a ground wire i can draw almost 0.2cm sparks out the primary in single terminal mode (standing alone isolated without closing circuit) Or in other words not even consdering at touching it!

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Another thing that Don Smith makes wrong or Prentice does not mention is about the resonance mode.
Resonance of a High capacitance and small inductance (Don smith coils) is a feeble one and waste of energy.
The stronger or more efficient resonance is achieved with large inductance small capacitance. (fact)

SPECULATION WARNING
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Of course, noone knows whether the "earth currents that assimilate to the circuit themselves" according Prentice prefer a high voltage lesser amperage stronger resonance (hugh inductance small capacitance) or low voltage higher amperage (large capacitance small inducatnce).

So Kapandze and his "natura" frequency, assuming it works on this mode, he obviously makes a large capacitance low inductance resonance (large amperage).
Whereas Prentince in order to achieve some 100,000 volts and the receiving Closed Loop antena to work near the transmiting antenna by electrostatic coupling mainly, (those with Kacher experience will understand what I just said) will obviously required a large inductance, small capacitance circuit resembling more to a Tesla gear.


I think
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As most energy sources from the Nature must be come from an interaction of equipment and an open system, as photovotaics and SUN, Windmill and AIR, turbine and Hotspring, ocean turbine and OCEAN,  and in more specialized cases as ELevated capacity Tesla equipment and ground etc etc,
so our GEO system ala Kapandze style the machine is one part and the Nature's electrical "ability" is the second part.

Too much investigation has been given to hardware (since it can be done comfortably in a LAB without getting dirty ourselves) and little or no consideration to the source. From now on my moto will be "first recognize your energy source, and then make the machine to tap it"
No energy source, dead aparatus.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4733 on: December 03, 2010, 10:27:31 AM »
@ baroutologos - we are on the same "wavelength", I see it the same way. There is more than one source to tap into (such as the "Primary Solar rays"). Regarding the Spark Gap, this is why I always have suggested the use of such an "interrupter" as it is practically indestructable and generates a pretty wide spectrum of harmonics that can help one find an easier "sweet spot". Who knows if the "Natura" frequency is just one, it may very well be a set of frequencies or harmonics. We read about frequencies from the KHz then to the MHz ranges - it all depends on the correct coupling of the "receiver" device to this source.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4734 on: December 04, 2010, 03:41:12 PM »
@ baroutologos
The problem with a spark gap in a LC circuit is that it completely modulates the circuit parameters, especially the Q factor, because the ionic channel between the 2 electrodes has a variable resistance from infinity to almost zero ohm, depending on the noisy HF current. This prevents a real resonance and thus will not be able to concentrate the spark gap current in a narrow frequency band.
A connection of the spark gap to the coil at an intermediary position (for example at a few turns, the majority of the turns being only connected to the capacitor) could greatly enhance the resonance. The inconvenient is that the spark gap becomes much less implied in the resonance and we are left with a conventional circuit, in which the LC circuit just selects a part of the spectrum signal provided by the spark gap, the other part being wasted.
I have no idea how to force the spark gap at a particular clean frequency which imho would be an interesting way for observing new phenomena possibly involved in Kapanadze's device.



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4735 on: December 04, 2010, 05:16:22 PM »
@ Baroutologos

Work with what works best.  Just out of interest, does Primary No 3 require more power to run than No 2?

Agree with your comment on C to L ratio, I recollect reading Tesla once said 'a high capacitance, low inductance primary is the worst kind of circuit'.

Series and parallel LC's are analogous to mag loop and electric dipole antennae.  I think the intention is to impose our frequency on the immediate region and then collect the results.  If you can spend the time to read good books on EM, radio and transmission line theory, I'm sure it will help.

@ Core

Your description sounds uncannily similar to the phenomena that Joseph Henry accidentally discovered back in 1842, whilst he experimented with coils, which triggered the development of radio in the first place.

@Shokac

As I understand, the TC is not a transformer as a electrical engineer would define it, but it does step up voltage, so qualifies as a transformer in the strictest sense of the word.  I think Lenz's Law still applies, otherwise LC's would not work as they do.  But the (potential) RF gain in the secondary over the input to the primary gives the appearance that Lenz's Law has been broken.

My understanding is that current at the toroid is almost entirely absent, where the voltage is huge, no gain there.  At the base, current is huge, volts are minute, again no gain. BUT, there is current AND voltage at either end.  If you can tap off the out-of-phase current and voltage, the reactive power can be staggering.  The trick is to do this without spoiling the tune in the coils.  Good luck!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4736 on: December 05, 2010, 01:53:24 AM »
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@ baroutologos
The problem with a spark gap in a LC circuit is that it completely modulates the circuit parameters, especially the Q factor, because the ionic channel between th...

Speaking out of experience i know the cleanest resonance is given in a Kacher, where a transistor's base is directed connected to LC (tesla coil like).
I have achieved also to resonance  a LC (L variable till 400uH and C 2,4....20nF) clean, with a 555-timer pulsing a transistor, and all connected in the Odin Coil topology. (Primary is a part of secondary, but you pulse few last turns, see drawing. I have posted it before)

Honestly, i cannot see the problem you indicate with the spark-gap. Indeed SG resistance goes from open circuit to almost none. Also ionization is involved, but an LC circuit will resonate at its fundamental frequency as well as the signal will include other frequencies as well but seriously attenuated in comparison to main oscillation. (the R defines the Q not frequency)

In practice, the main problem with "shock excited" resonance of a SG and that of a Kacher is the fact that the first in same power levels demonstrates far more energetic behaviour but the action is intermittent whereas a Kacher will have a smooth uninterrupted resonance. (sparks can be 3-5 times longer, depending the SG breakdown, but an FL tube demonstrates the nature of the resonance)

Also i believe the break of a SG at irregular intervals (except is a rotary one) and in case in the meantime the secondary's LC oscillation has not stopped, may "conflict" even though i lack the equipment to say definitely.

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Anyway, today's solid state devices are good enough for replacing SGs etc, but i think they are two equally valid ways. In any case, the patents examined date way back from the discovery of solid state components. :)

ps: @  Above,

Cannot say really if the 3 require more power. It seemed to me more "efficient" judging with the eye the output of a Tesla coil.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4737 on: December 06, 2010, 05:30:55 AM »
Sorry I missed this one, it seems a work well done!

It is on page 307.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg264817#msg264817

Jesus

... just for info on that ckt, actual positioning of Transistor 2SC4020
on pcb pattern is 180 degrees reversed, diagram correct... no claimed
effects on our project yet!

 thanks,
<jronel>

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4738 on: December 06, 2010, 08:09:22 AM »
*pls remove*

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #4739 on: December 06, 2010, 10:11:44 AM »
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Honestly, i cannot see the problem you indicate with the spark-gap. Indeed SG resistance goes from open circuit to almost none.
...

It is not a problem when thinking about a kind of relaxation oscillator: each pulse to the LC circuit when the resistance is low, is transformed into a damped oscillation when the resistance is high. And so on at each pulse, presuming the pulse repetition is at a much lower frequency than the oscillations appearing between two successive pulses. But it is not interesting because conventional:
- the pulses from the SG are still broadband energy (by definition of "pulse")
- the oscillations restore the energy that the pulse provides (less the losses)
It is the principle of the old arc transmitters of the beginning of the 20th century.

Something new would be to force the arc itself at a particular frequency, making the plasma channel an integral part of the resonance, may be a key point in Kapanadze's device.