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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 14746763 times)

Offline ronotte

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9720 on: December 12, 2011, 02:36:35 PM »
Here are some other pics I did on the device and the schematic.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9721 on: December 12, 2011, 03:08:09 PM »
I was experimenting with my Kacher setup and noticed an oddity, to me at least.
I regarded Kachers were run by their LC component that is the coil and stray capacitance or any added capacitance. I know they also formulate a standing wave, that correspond to the running frequency thus determining wavelength etc

A couple of days ago, a noticed (i say it with some reserve though) that this is not necessarily so. A kacher can be run also at a frequency determined by the... voltage nodes? i explain...

...
When i assembled my Kacher with a coil (24awg, 180mm length, 50mm diam, 1.43 mH) and i left (coil) open ended, it oscillates about 1.72 MHz freely. By forcing an antinode to the hot lead, (applying a resistor say 10K and connecting it to emitter or ground or even short it to emmiter) the Kacher starts oscillating at 2.8 MHz (more or less), nothing suggesting that exists any LC component for dictating such oscillation. Also, no matter if i add any capacitance anywhere, this frequency does not change much. (if at all)

By inserting a ferrite rod inside the coil, the frequency alters or lowers to some 2.2 Mhz and by observing coil's standing voltage with a screw driver, the voltage antinodes stays more or less the same, both ends are not hot, (especially if emmiter is really grounded) but this time the "standing voltage wave" is skewed. Of course a lower frequency has a larger wavelength, but since both HV coil's ends (i.e. base and emmiter) are almost same voltage assume a skewness to exist.

utube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp6wrh2Pqo

I would enjoy some comments

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9722 on: December 12, 2011, 03:08:53 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9723 on: December 12, 2011, 03:27:43 PM »
I was experimenting with my Kacher setup and noticed an oddity, to me at least.
I regarded Kachers were run by their LC component that is the coil and stray capacitance or any added capacitance. I know they also formulate a standing wave, that correspond to the running frequency thus determining wavelength etc

A couple of days ago, a noticed (i say it with some reserve though) that this is not necessarily so. A kacher can be run also at a frequency determined by the... voltage nodes? i explain...

...
When i assembled my Kacher with a coil (24awg, 180mm length, 50mm diam, 1.43 mH) and i left (coil) open ended, it oscillates about 1.72 MHz freely. By forcing an antinode to the hot lead, (applying a resistor say 10K and connecting it to emitter or ground or even short it emmiter) the Kacher starts oscillating at 2.8 MHz (more or less), nothing suggesting that exists any LC component for dictating such oscillation. Also, no matter if i add any capacitance anywhere, this frequency does not change much. (if at all)

By inserting a ferrite rod inside the coil, the frequency alters or lowers to some 2.2 Mhz and by observing coil's standing voltage with a screw driver, the voltage antinode stays more or less the same, both ends are not hot, (especially if emmiter is really grounded) but this time the wave is a bit skewed. Of course a lower frequency has a larger wavelength, but since both HV coil's ends (i.e. base and emmiter) are almost same voltage, i assume a skewness to exist.

utube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp6wrh2Pqo

I would enjoy some comments
nice experiment.
 thank you

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9724 on: December 12, 2011, 03:56:18 PM »
I was experimenting with my Kacher setup and noticed an oddity, to me at least.
I regarded Kachers were run by their LC component that is the coil and stray capacitance or any added capacitance. I know they also formulate a standing wave, that correspond to the running frequency thus determining wavelength etc

A couple of days ago, a noticed (i say it with some reserve though) that this is not necessarily so. A kacher can be run also at a frequency determined by the... voltage nodes? i explain...

...
When i assembled my Kacher with a coil (24awg, 180mm length, 50mm diam, 1.43 mH) and i left (coil) open ended, it oscillates about 1.72 MHz freely. By forcing an antinode to the hot lead, (applying a resistor say 10K and connecting it to emitter or ground or even short it to emmiter) the Kacher starts oscillating at 2.8 MHz (more or less), nothing suggesting that exists any LC component for dictating such oscillation. Also, no matter if i add any capacitance anywhere, this frequency does not change much. (if at all)

By inserting a ferrite rod inside the coil, the frequency alters or lowers to some 2.2 Mhz and by observing coil's standing voltage with a screw driver, the voltage antinodes stays more or less the same, both ends are not hot, (especially if emmiter is really grounded) but this time the "standing voltage wave" is skewed. Of course a lower frequency has a larger wavelength, but since both HV coil's ends (i.e. base and emmiter) are almost same voltage assume a skewness to exist.

utube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp6wrh2Pqo

I would enjoy some comments

Could be that the standing wave is not skewed but rather clipped. The ferrite at the ends increases
the field in the area but does maybe not increase the maxima that existed already in the middle.

I have come to the conclusion that Delamorto's output was a consequence of being just in the right
ballpark between primary and secondary inductance/capacitance to set up the right resonance
frequency to either shake loose electrons from the copper pipe or some other effect.
I am out of ideas what to do to get from  feeble lamp brightness to what he showed since there
are not so much variables involved in this actually.
Last thing would be to force a frequency on the Kacher with a MOSFET driver circuit and then
sweep for some sweet spots, but without frequency control this whole thing is like a lottery.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9725 on: December 12, 2011, 04:10:42 PM »
I was experimenting with my Kacher setup and noticed an oddity, to me at least.
I regarded Kachers were run by their LC component that is the coil and stray capacitance or any added capacitance. I know they also formulate a standing wave, that correspond to the running frequency thus determining wavelength etc

A couple of days ago, a noticed (i say it with some reserve though) that this is not necessarily so. A kacher can be run also at a frequency determined by the... voltage nodes? i explain...

...
When i assembled my Kacher with a coil (24awg, 180mm length, 50mm diam, 1.43 mH) and i left (coil) open ended, it oscillates about 1.72 MHz freely. By forcing an antinode to the hot lead, (applying a resistor say 10K and connecting it to emitter or ground or even short it to emmiter) the Kacher starts oscillating at 2.8 MHz (more or less), nothing suggesting that exists any LC component for dictating such oscillation. Also, no matter if i add any capacitance anywhere, this frequency does not change much. (if at all)

By inserting a ferrite rod inside the coil, the frequency alters or lowers to some 2.2 Mhz and by observing coil's standing voltage with a screw driver, the voltage antinodes stays more or less the same, both ends are not hot, (especially if emmiter is really grounded) but this time the "standing voltage wave" is skewed. Of course a lower frequency has a larger wavelength, but since both HV coil's ends (i.e. base and emmiter) are almost same voltage assume a skewness to exist.

utube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp6wrh2Pqo

I would enjoy some comments


 Yes nice experiment.



 So the field is really a pine tree in look. Very very interesting how the copper bands inductively shield that end causing a no field zone around it. So the vortex is my original design. Spinning like a top. Are the strips of copper the emitter? Can you approach the left hand of that coil with a 1 turn copper wire? We might as well sniff out this field. If you could try all different orientations to the big coil including distance away.. You could use a light bulb across the 1 turn.


 Did you try the 1 turn on the ferrite yet? Just bend a copper plate around the ferrite or similar rod. Drill two holes, one opposite the other of the gap and use that for the load.  Also just sliding in the ferrite laying in an odd distance in the tube isn't a good idea. It should be centered as best as you can get. That will alter the external fields as well. Remember ferrite pulls in magnetic lines this in turn pulls in the voltage component too and multiplies that as well. Even though the voltage component still goes through the material and radiates out, it is still compressed together like the magnetic lines and that compression magnifies the voltage value as well. But unlike the magnetic field it is not trapped in the core. It still radiates outwards. Only the genesis of it's value is attracted in the core via the magnetic field, whatever that genesis may be. You could think of it as a focal point. Understand though heat will be an issue with ferrites and how they can become real magnets when this process is done enough to the material. This is why iron would be very useful. Especially the iron Tesla mentions. But for now it means you need to go through a degausing phase to your ferrites outside of the core. Until you guys start using iron this will be a major issue.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9726 on: December 12, 2011, 04:53:05 PM »
I was experimenting with my Kacher setup and noticed an oddity, to me at least.
I regarded Kachers were run by their LC component that is the coil and stray capacitance or any added capacitance. I know they also formulate a standing wave, that correspond to the running frequency thus determining wavelength etc

A couple of days ago, a noticed (i say it with some reserve though) that this is not necessarily so. A kacher can be run also at a frequency determined by the... voltage nodes? i explain...

...
When i assembled my Kacher with a coil (24awg, 180mm length, 50mm diam, 1.43 mH) and i left (coil) open ended, it oscillates about 1.72 MHz freely. By forcing an antinode to the hot lead, (applying a resistor say 10K and connecting it to emitter or ground or even short it to emmiter) the Kacher starts oscillating at 2.8 MHz (more or less), nothing suggesting that exists any LC component for dictating such oscillation. Also, no matter if i add any capacitance anywhere, this frequency does not change much. (if at all)

By inserting a ferrite rod inside the coil, the frequency alters or lowers to some 2.2 Mhz and by observing coil's standing voltage with a screw driver, the voltage antinodes stays more or less the same, both ends are not hot, (especially if emmiter is really grounded) but this time the "standing voltage wave" is skewed. Of course a lower frequency has a larger wavelength, but since both HV coil's ends (i.e. base and emmiter) are almost same voltage assume a skewness to exist.

utube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp6wrh2Pqo

I would enjoy some comments

Very nice work and very interesting... you can easily shift the voltage in the coil by adding or removing inductance or by altering the forced node.   

I've noticed most build the kacher with lots of turns on the secondary coil... the primary reason to do this is to increase the inductance of the coil, thus creating a HV output.   I've built them with a few as 25 turn secondaries and 2 turn primaries and you start noticing some other interesting characteristics of the circuit.  If you construct them on large diameter forms you can increase inductance considerably and only need a few turns on the secondary.   Consider for a moment... are you pulsing the coil to a positive HV or a negative HV at the free end?     If you connect the HV end directly to ground it will draw current into the system and shift the voltage node.    It reduces the losses in radiant escapement ( the field around the coil will be much smaller ) and contains it in the system.   Similar to adding a very large capacitor as the top load.   

You'll notice everything around the circuit is "hot" and will light bulbs by simply holding them in your hand and touching battery terminals, metal plates or any exposed wiring around the circuit.   This isn't necessarily characteristic of the kacher although it's one of the easiest circuits to produce the effect.   

I've made some very small coils on a 4.5" diameter PVC tube with 25 turns and the results are quite amazing.   When you match a harmonic with a natural earth frequency the results are even better.   An 8.5" diameter coil with 50 turns of 20ga wire will run at or around 1.094 Mhz.   

The diagram shows one of the versions I'm using although I've changed to the MJE13007 transistor instead of the Tip31 although the 31 is a little more robust they tend to explode if the circuit is over amped.    The MJE requires a 2.2-3.3 ohm resistor and the Tip requires a 22k to 39k to operate as I've explained. 

As you can see in my video " the importance of ground" the circuit comes alive with an earth ground connected.  http://www.youtube.com/user/windfilter?feature=mhee#p/u/1/C3qsGgujepY .  This is the 50 turn coil on an 8.5" form  The other video is using the same kacher to drive a larger tesla coil through a GDT .   This is a completely passive oscillator where the kacher is simply charging a cap and discharging it through the GDT into the primary coil of the tesla on the floor.   It easily lights the 60 watt outside area bulb and shows that the current from the ground can light a bulb through body capacitance.   http://www.youtube.com/user/windfilter?feature=mhee#p/u/0/-ZRTLL4rERY .   

If you add an antenna with a diode to a DC battery positive and pulse the neg terminal with HV negative will the battery charge?   Is the coil being pulsed to HV positive or HV negative?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9727 on: December 12, 2011, 05:05:54 PM »
I put together a quick coil last night using woopys version with the caducius primary coil.   This is pretty impressive !   Nice job woopy !   I'll have to experiment with this for a few hours to see how it effects it in various forms....

I wound one to cover the length of the secondary and it also worked very well but noticed the longer secondary gets very very warm after running for a brief period of time where the shorter version runs relatively cool.  Either way, the same wire and length was used and the power used was the same so a puzzel in the making of why the longer spread out coil gets hot and the smaller bunched up coil runs cool.   

Thanks for sharing woopy...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9728 on: December 12, 2011, 05:59:43 PM »
Here are some other pics I did on the device and the schematic.
Roberto

Hello ronotte,

now you have the second harmonic dominating ( > 70 %) in your system, clearly to be seen on the screen.
So what is the difference with the parameters in comparison to the first measurement ?

Kator01

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9729 on: December 12, 2011, 06:05:11 PM »
Very nice work and very interesting... you can easily shift the voltage in the coil by adding or removing inductance or by altering the forced node.   

I've noticed most build the kacher with lots of turns on the secondary coil... the primary reason to do this is to increase the inductance of the coil, thus creating a HV output.   I've built them with a few as 25 turn secondaries and 2 turn primaries and you start noticing some other interesting characteristics of the circuit.  If you construct them on large diameter forms you can increase inductance considerably and only need a few turns on the secondary.   Consider for a moment... are you pulsing the coil to a positive HV or a negative HV at the free end?     If you connect the HV end directly to ground it will draw current into the system and shift the voltage node.    It reduces the losses in radiant escapement ( the field around the coil will be much smaller ) and contains it in the system.   Similar to adding a very large capacitor as the top load.   

You'll notice everything around the circuit is "hot" and will light bulbs by simply holding them in your hand and touching battery terminals, metal plates or any exposed wiring around the circuit.   This isn't necessarily characteristic of the kacher although it's one of the easiest circuits to produce the effect.   

I've made some very small coils on a 4.5" diameter PVC tube with 25 turns and the results are quite amazing.   When you match a harmonic with a natural earth frequency the results are even better.   An 8.5" diameter coil with 50 turns of 20ga wire will run at or around 1.094 Mhz.   

The diagram shows one of the versions I'm using although I've changed to the MJE13007 transistor instead of the Tip31 although the 31 is a little more robust they tend to explode if the circuit is over amped.    The MJE requires a 2.2-3.3 ohm resistor and the Tip requires a 22k to 39k to operate as I've explained. 

As you can see in my video " the importance of ground" the circuit comes alive with an earth ground connected.  http://www.youtube.com/user/windfilter?feature=mhee#p/u/1/C3qsGgujepY .  This is the 50 turn coil on an 8.5" form  The other video is using the same kacher to drive a larger tesla coil through a GDT .   This is a completely passive oscillator where the kacher is simply charging a cap and discharging it through the GDT into the primary coil of the tesla on the floor.   It easily lights the 60 watt outside area bulb and shows that the current from the ground can light a bulb through body capacitance.   http://www.youtube.com/user/windfilter?feature=mhee#p/u/0/-ZRTLL4rERY .   

If you add an antenna with a diode to a DC battery positive and pulse the neg terminal with HV negative will the battery charge?   Is the coil being pulsed to HV positive or HV negative?


 To answer the last part I would assume you would want to do it like you said and put the antenna on the positive of the battery with a diode. The only thing I can see is that you are trying to vacuum the energy from the environment. This tends to make things act weird. Instead we want to focus the network and give it more ability to magnify the number of conductors in the available spectrum we see. In focusing this blast we get tremendous ability to pull in more network connections making the energy pressurize. We have learned or think we have learned, if we pulse it enough it will rebound further then we inputted. Well thats the premise anyways. Using magnetic channels allows us to shape the field. This field kinda moves like a Caterpillar. It pulsates and moves in one direction usually. It is also further described as being like a never ending snake or screw like movement.


 We should be able to shape this field further by using clever Iron shunts. A shunt in this case is a C like formation of iron either behind the wire (Core like) or exterior to the field Via ring of iron but in separate parts. Shunts also could have a shape with either sharp tips or blunted ones and open (hollow, multilayered) or closed (Solid). But I digress lets play gentlemen!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9730 on: December 12, 2011, 06:23:21 PM »
@znel,

the interesting part (at least for me) is not the shift of the voltage node... it is that high frequency oscillation without any capacitance to match the L component to do so. At least at first sight...
In your schematic, your LC circuit, instead of series (as in a typical Kacher is parallel), both ends antinodes, whereas node is in the middle.
In mine, i still try to figure out. Perhaps verpie should lend a hand :)

@jbignes5,

I will try to center ferrite, although i expect no major difference. By the way, i have noticed another peculiarity with ferrites as they tend to heat in the middle. I have used the 180mm coil and another 400mm long coil. Again, ferrite's heating point is in the middle.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #9731 on: December 12, 2011, 06:36:23 PM »
I was experimenting with my Kacher setup and noticed an oddity, to me at least.
I regarded Kachers were run by their LC component that is the coil and stray capacitance or any added capacitance. I know they also formulate a standing wave, that correspond to the running frequency thus determining wavelength etc

A couple of days ago, a noticed (i say it with some reserve though) that this is not necessarily so. A kacher can be run also at a frequency determined by the... voltage nodes? i explain...

...
When i assembled my Kacher with a coil (24awg, 180mm length, 50mm diam, 1.43 mH) and i left (coil) open ended, it oscillates about 1.72 MHz freely. By forcing an antinode to the hot lead, (applying a resistor say 10K and connecting it to emitter or ground or even short it to emmiter) the Kacher starts oscillating at 2.8 MHz (more or less), nothing suggesting that exists any LC component for dictating such oscillation. Also, no matter if i add any capacitance anywhere, this frequency does not change much. (if at all)

By inserting a ferrite rod inside the coil, the frequency alters or lowers to some 2.2 Mhz and by observing coil's standing voltage with a screw driver, the voltage antinodes stays more or less the same, both ends are not hot, (especially if emmiter is really grounded) but this time the "standing voltage wave" is skewed. Of course a lower frequency has a larger wavelength, but since both HV coil's ends (i.e. base and emmiter) are almost same voltage assume a skewness to exist.

utube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp6wrh2Pqo

I would enjoy some comments

Hi baroutologos,

please have a look at the pic attached. All these capacitances are present within the inner structure of a transistor.:

What I do - in order to find out which of these are dominating :

I simply solder a 50 of 100 pF keramic- or styroflex-capacitor in parallell to one of the invisible inner capacitances C4, C5, C6, each at a time and record what happens.
I would bet most influence wiil be by the Collector to Emitter Capacitance... but itis just a guess from my experience 20 years ago. I do not have experience with the Kacher.

The free wheeling hv-coil with top end open refers to the air-capacitance ( 10 to 100 pF I would guess) and one of the inner capcitances. Once you load the top this mode of operation ( not resonance)  breaks down and only the inner capacitance across the simconductor-layers become prevalent.
High frequency has it own laws. You learn it by doing and by the experience of seniors who know some hf-basis.
I myself spend hundrets of hours experimenting. Especially with this tesla-coil capcitances have to be taken in account all around you, including your body. Spread your arms wave your arms around your setup and watch your scope.. but first start with the hidden transistor-capacitances.

Good luck

regards
Kator


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« Reply #9732 on: December 12, 2011, 07:07:44 PM »
@kator01
please do not be fooled. The two waveform pictures are taken in the same instant.  It must be said that the secondary is without any tank cap as max output is just on coil's own resonation.
Roberto

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« Reply #9733 on: December 12, 2011, 07:26:31 PM »
Hi all

great input everywere here, bravo à tous ;)

Today i tried a replication of Sem77 (delamorto ?) system he posted in his youtube that he retired after receiving some comments.

And his shematic works. I don't know the efficiency, but this time i get real filament lighting in a 40 watt 220 volts bulb.

Will try to get some measurements and to change the copper tube. Notice i don't use a ferrite rod at all in this experiment. Perhaps i should try ferrite or a spiral copper tube etc...? :P

Lot of thinking tonight :o

Good luck at all

Laurent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94yCfy8z4lc


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« Reply #9734 on: December 12, 2011, 07:29:59 PM »
Apparently the load (or antenna) is very mismatched in this circuit and causes strong reflections of the waves back through the coil that acts as a transmission line.

This experiment with the neon  bulb screwdriver reminds me of the old Hams that put a light bulb across their feed lines.  See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1eE13UXAKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vdSP-580Vw