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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 15986893 times)

Jack Noskills

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12600 on: August 08, 2012, 10:20:32 AM »
captainkt, I realised that you are most likely not using core with your pancake coil you use for pick up. This means you don't need core in the output side either. But it could be that you do not reach enough high impedance state in your tube shaped coil. If so, then you could slide some ferrite inside the tube to increase impedance variably.

a.king21

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« Reply #12601 on: August 08, 2012, 11:19:48 AM »
My gut feeling is that his device produces harmful emissions or cannot run very long without breakdown.

And he is too paranoid to consult with anyone.

I'm fairly certain any such issues would be overcome by the members of this forum.

Regards...

You could well be right. However he did consult experts on some aspects of the conventional design, namely the
50Hz 220 volts output coil pack.
I just think he is not very qualified electronically - he is self taught - and knows the "impossible" is possible. Therefore, in his mind, his device secret can be stolen by some unknown (to him) technology.
He also does not know how business is conducted in the West,and has adopted old Soviet methods of behaviour.
This kind of scam behaviour was common in Soviet times. The only way the common folk could get spare parts, for instance, was to bribe someone etc.
So that's why I say we have to think simple - along the lines of Jack Noskills.
Kapanadze certainly did not invent some wizzo advanced circuitry at the heart of his machine.

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12602 on: August 08, 2012, 11:40:58 AM »
The device works alright. Remember Wesley's been there and so have others.
1 % :- My only concern is that he has found a way to cheat somehow. But I'm 99% sure the device is real.
He gets 10 kwatts out in a small container. If anyone knows how you can fake that much power with no heat and a very lightweight  build I would like the answer.
Using conventional technology would mean using state of the art batteries, such as the lithium tetrachloroaluminate in thionyl chloride military variety.  Those batteries have the best energy density available today.
For storing 1kWh of energy those batteries would weigh 2kg (taking up 0.833 Litres of space).
At the rate of 10kW those batteries would last for 6 minutes.

For 12 minutes of 10kW power, 4kg and 1.7 Litres of space would be needed for those batteries.
For 36 minutes of 10kW power, 12kg and 5 Litres of space would be needed  for those batteries.

How long do TK's demonstrations last while disspating 10kW in a load?

a.king21

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« Reply #12603 on: August 08, 2012, 12:10:59 PM »
Using conventional technology would mean using state of the art batteries, such as the lithium tetrachloroaluminate in thionyl chloride batteries.  Those batteries have the best energy density available today.
For storing 1kWh of energy those batteries would weigh 2kg (taking up 0.833 Litres of space).
At the rate of 10kW those batteries would last for 6 minutes.

For 12 minutes of 10kW power, 4kg and 1.7 Litres of space would be needed for those batteries.
For 36 minutes of 10kW power, 12kg and 5 Litres of space would be needed  for those batteries.

How long do TK's demonstrations last while disspating 10kW in a load?


I have been given the go-ahead to open up.
I was part  of  a team which tried to bring Kapanadze's technology to the West. The partners in the project are now going to fill you in on his scams.
This device was rated at 2kw and ran for 4 and a half hours before the team left the premises. The device powered a 2 kw electric fire to full heat.
I was not present but my partner was there in his son's house in Georgia

Jack Noskills

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12604 on: August 08, 2012, 12:21:04 PM »
Can you clarify why you call it a scam ?
Will your partners fill us in this thread ? If somewhere else then I trust you provide us link to it.
 

cheappower2012

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12605 on: August 08, 2012, 12:38:42 PM »
@a.king21,
from the picture it looks like hes used a spark plug for a spark gap
no ground as I said before doesn't need it to work.Is the high voltage dc or ac
my belief is it doesn't matter in this device,I see a lot of crap
the bunches of electronic parts mostlikely does nothing.Did you get more pictures,
and what other things can you tell us.

captainkt

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12606 on: August 08, 2012, 12:55:30 PM »
@Jack Noskills, I will try build sliding ferrite to tune, try to get transfer to output coil of the energy that heats a screwdriver that is pushed through  a hole in centre of pancake. As my set up is at the moment the screw driver heats but does not alter out put at all. A steel plate works best followed by copper to get auto start on hob to work, once working the plate can be removed providing there is enough load the hobs keeps going. Experimenting takes a lot of time because as soon as I alter wire length or load in any way heater drops out and I have to start it up again.
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Jack Noskills

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« Reply #12607 on: August 08, 2012, 01:05:58 PM »
Thanks for the update. If you connect two coils in your pancake as shown in the thread I posted previously, then you can tune it using ferrite without load. Once set, resonance stays and your screw driver will not heat up anymore whether you use load or not.

mike140366

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12608 on: August 08, 2012, 01:17:53 PM »
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am the sponsor and visitor, that went to see TK's invention, on 2 occasions.
My first trip, with a physicist (bilingual in Georgian and English), was on the 5th to 8th May 2012.
We met TK, his son and twin brothers, who build these devises. TK builds the important parts.
I'm the guy in the blue shirt, holding the box. The plastic box weighed about 6-8 kilos and was shown to run a 2 kw fire (2 bar) for about 4 hours. I paid TK, via a friend of the physicist, 3000 USD. This payment was ongoing, as TK was in bad health. I also, via the friend, paid for TK's medical treatment. All was well and good. The devise seemed to work without wires attached (except the earth). I picked up the box, looked underneath, followed the braided earth lead outside to an earth spike (for grounding), touched it and checked it for hidden wires. We agreed to sponsor TK, to pay for and build a 10 kw 3 phase version, that could be tested, using multi-meters etc. In the meantime, I approached 2 government agencies and started visa applications and commercial negotiations.
The return trip, with an RF Electronics expert and a box of test equipment (list below), was arranged for 26 July until 02 August. I had a Confidentiality Agreement ready and a Technology Licence contract. I emailed these legals to TK's lawyer, beforehand. On day 2 of the trip, I met with TK's lawyer, made slight amends with him to the 2 documents, printed off and signed the Confidentiality Agreement. The Technology Licence was to be signed after the tests were carried out. I had done my part, as agreed. TK, at this point, stated that he was worried about our test procedures. I emailed his lawyer and stated "I have asked *** to test the machine, to clarify what goes into the box and what comes out of the box. This will not be invasive testing. These tests are to prove that there is no outside source of energy and that the energy output is of good quality. Each test will be approved by TK before we carry them out. We have rented electrical test equipment to do this: Neotronics Impact Gas Detector. Fluke 435 Power Analyser. Fluke 199 Scopemeter. Radiodetection CAT and Genny. Monitran VM110. Flir i60. Mechanical stethoscope. Basic clampmeter. All these machines have standard data logging, to save the results. We shall take the process of testing very slowly, confirming with TK at every stage. If we cannot test, we cannot get our government to invest in a manufacturing company, or sell the power to industry."
We then waited a further 2 days. In the evening of day five, TK's son came over and showed us a picture of the (supposed) 3 phase machine on his digital camera (a 2" x 1" photo). We said thank you but stated that testing must take place for this working arrangement to proceed. We asked for a full day of testing and we only had 1 day left. Nothing until 7pm of the last evening before we flew out. During the previous 5 days, we had promises from TK that all is well and we could test that day. Each day we saw nothing. At 7pm, we were invited by TK to see the box running. We asked if we could test. He said no. We politely declined his offer. He called us repeatedly over the next few hours, to try to get us to see his box. To us, as commercial people, this was just TK trying to reel us back in, as a big fish that is getting off the hook. The last contact, by email, from his lawyer, stating that they believed that this test equipment would find TK's secret. He also stated that we should risk some more money with TK, for a further 2 months. By the way, his lawyer amended the Technology Licence to state that I would pay him 1500 USD a month....
That said it all. We left Tbilisi at 3am the following morning and went to the airport. Who did we see there? TK's son, in the arrivals section. Probably waiting to receive a new party, to look at the machine that I had paid for.
Total spend on the project was about 20,000 USD.
I am a committed Christian. TK said that this was a gift from God. I prayed with the man. He rewards me with insults, saying that I was trying to steal his technology. TK, unfortunately, in my opinion, lives in fear. His trust is verbal only. He gets financial reward and runs away. When he was seriously ill, we paid for a doctor to see him and give him life saving medicine. This means nothing to him.

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12609 on: August 08, 2012, 01:32:00 PM »
This device was rated at 2kw and ran for 4 and a half hours before the team left the premises. The device powered a 2 kw electric fire to full heat.
According to this, 9kWh of energy was dissipated as heat in the heater's resistive filaments.

Using the state of the art batteries, this feat would require 7.5 Litres of space (weighing 18kg).
If there was not that much space to hide the batteries (including the heater enclosure!) then chemical batteries could not have been used in that demo.

Conventionally, that leaves fuel cells as a plausible but very difficult to accomplish energy source and low frequency Near Field magnetic induction (LF air core transformer).

Converting a whole room to an air core transformer makes sense economically when each demonstration brings at least $1000.
Did anybody think to take the aquarium device outdoors - away from eventual windings in the walls or under the floor/ceiling ?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 06:58:23 PM by verpies »

mike140366

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #12610 on: August 08, 2012, 01:33:40 PM »
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mike140366

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« Reply #12611 on: August 08, 2012, 01:34:14 PM »
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mike140366

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« Reply #12612 on: August 08, 2012, 01:34:46 PM »
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mike140366

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« Reply #12613 on: August 08, 2012, 01:35:15 PM »
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« Reply #12614 on: August 08, 2012, 01:42:59 PM »
@mike140366[/color]
Thanks for the info. We can see again that he is mentaly ill as well. He seeks enemys everywhere as another inventors in this territory. Telling the truth you could replicate his system after the planned measurement. The captured signal forms on the input-output side could be enough together with the collected info from the past. Unfortunately without trust there is no business.
Regards
Collapsingfield