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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 11922014 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13860 on: September 12, 2012, 12:20:14 PM »
The big thing is a old Russian capacitors (not polar), I have a few at home. This is not a battery!!!!
Then he should replace these Russian capacitors with conventional ones (round type), then connect an incandescent light bulb (not fluorescent lamp) and then let it run for at least one hour in front of a video camera without cut. And not to forget to invite some reliable witnesses to this world-shaking event.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13861 on: September 12, 2012, 12:40:51 PM »
Then he should replace these Russian capacitors with conventional ones (round type), then connect an incandescent light bulb (not fluorescent lamp) and then let it run for at least one hour in front of a video camera without cut. And not to forget to invite some reliable witnesses to this world-shaking event.

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Zeitmashine,
author spoke in first movie about problems with polar caps. He used non polar to device.
About rest of your opinion, I agree but we must to give some time for this man. He promised publish schems and rest of information about device.
Read this site:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/
On there you should to have fresh info.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13862 on: September 12, 2012, 12:53:33 PM »
Then he should replace these Russian capacitors with conventional ones (round type), then connect an incandescent light bulb (not fluorescent lamp) and then let it run for at least one hour in front of a video camera without cut. And not to forget to invite some reliable witnesses to this world-shaking event.

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I agree, the load and run time need to be much greater to be convincing. Its far too easy to fake a demo with just a small flouro lamp as a load even without the big caps in the open air environment he is running the demo. With a more realistic load and run time and demo set up on a 'clean' table with the big caps replaced with much smaller ones, then we may have something to think seriously about.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13863 on: September 12, 2012, 01:04:05 PM »
I agree, the load and run time need to be much greater to be convincing. Its far too easy to fake a demo with just a small flouro lamp as a load even without the big caps in the open air environment he is running the demo. With a more realistic load and run time and demo set up on a 'clean' table with the big caps replaced with much smaller ones, then we may have something to think seriously about.

Hoppy


Hoopy,
this caps have a several uF (8 or 10), only size of this caps are large. Capacitance is relatively small...
Give him a some time to publish data...
I know that everyone are impatient and waiting too long time but we must wait a little yet...


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13864 on: September 12, 2012, 01:24:48 PM »
Your observation that TK devices rely on very highcurrent avalanche pulses are the equivalent of electron cascade events.  An electron cascade results when one electron is freed and accelerated by an electric field which results in a chain reaction of conversion of electron binding energy to kinetic energy.  The energy needed to initiate the electron cascade event is serveral magnitudes less than the resulting current and voltage produced.  Electron cascade events occur at the solid to gas interface in a spark gap. 
This is not true. The electron avalanche, as for instance created in the spark, does not provide or release additional energy.
Well, it seems that both of you agree that TK-type devices output high current pulses caused by some kind of avalanche effect.

I don't have enough info about Kapanadze's devices to claim that they output high current pulses, but if I assume that this is correct then it is plausible that these pulses are created by some kind of avalanche effect.  So in a way you can count me in as a proponent of this explanation.

The remaining question remains "What is it an avalanche of ?":
1) Avalanche of electrons colliding with electrons and producing more electrons
2) Avalanche of electrons colliding with ions and producing more electrons
3) Avalanche of electrons colliding with ions and producing more ions
4) Avalanche of ions colliding with ions and producing more ions
5) Avalanche of ions colliding with ions and producing more ions and electrons
6) Avalanche of electrons colliding with photons and producing more electrons
7) Avalanche of electrons colliding with positrons and producing more electrons
8) Avalanche of electrons colliding with precessing nuclei and producing more electrons
9) Avalanche of something else...

Pt.1-5 assumes the conversion of electron's binding energy into electron's kinetic energy. Such conversion has never been observed in physical and chemical reactions, most likely because the electron's binding energy is purely attractive and doesn't allow electrons to escape the nucleus easily.

In order for an electron to escape the nucleus, a significant external amount of energy has to be delivered to it in the form of kinetic, thermal or photonic energy as seen in the Møller Scattering or the Photoelectric Effect or the Photon Enhanced Thermionic Emission.
Vacuum tubes that use Thermionic Emission of electrons do not exhibit any electron avalanche effects nor any collective energy gain. There are many exothermic chemical reactions but none of them are exoelectronic, as far as I know.
All elastic electron scattering events do not change the collective energy of the entities participating in these scattering events - by definition.
Inelastic Scattering changes the collective energy of the participants but all the non-nuclears types of scattering, that I know of,  have not been observed to yield any net collective energy - they just convert one form of energy into another.

The only known inelastic scattering that converts mass to energy is the Deep Inelastic Scattering, as far as I know, and even in this type of conversion the total energy is conserved if E=mc2 is considered. This might be hapenning in the pt.8 avalanche.
The contemporary science has not yet investigated thoroughly if polarizing the nuclear spin and precessing the nuclei (e.g.: by NMR) makes the nuclei more susceptible to Deep Inelastic Scattering, than regular non-polarized nuclei.
However some experiments suggest that this might be the case.

« Last Edit: September 12, 2012, 02:27:48 PM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13865 on: September 12, 2012, 01:42:39 PM »
author spoke in first movie about problems with polar caps. He used non polar to device.
Maybe the problem with polar caps is the high power batteries do not fit in? ::)

Use conventional caps connected in this way (in series):

+ 10µF - - 10µF +

This should result in 5µF non polar (bipolar).


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13866 on: September 12, 2012, 01:49:09 PM »

Hoopy,
this caps have a several uF (8 or 10), only size of this caps are large. Capacitance is relatively small...
Give him a some time to publish data...
I know that everyone are impatient and waiting too long time but we must wait a little yet...

No problem waiting for the data, as long as he does a more realistic demo as well.

Hoopy  :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13867 on: September 12, 2012, 01:57:22 PM »
@T-1000
NMR ?! He uses no ferrit core. Where should it happen ?
Good question. If a cylinder/ring/disk of solid material (e.g. ferrite) is not used, then the McFreey's operational principle cannot apply.
As for as NMR - it can happen even in air, wood or plastic, or wires (or meat), however NMR alone cannot create an avalanche of electrons and the resulting high current pulse.

Devices based on the McFreey's operating principle must have a confining mechanism (magnetic field) and "electron lasing medium" and I don't think air would make a good one.
Seems like a block of ferrite or brass or other solid (even thick wire) is needed as a dense "electron lasing medium".

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13868 on: September 12, 2012, 01:58:43 PM »
Guys, what are you talk about?
Let read Russian forum. If you don't understand in Russian language, let use Google translator...
Google translator does not produce technically accurate translations, and does not translate the text on the bitmap diagrams at all.
People who do not know the Russian language cannot benefit from the Russian forums.

They are at the mercy of native Russian speakers to summarize and post English diagrams and text here or other english forums.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13869 on: September 12, 2012, 03:10:27 PM »


Small notes for actual Dally's generator:
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He uses nanosecond pulses "kicks" applied to a load which is an closed transmission line.
Please remember SM and TPU's transmission line and kicks, Tesla's bifilar coil, Prentice's patent, Hendershot's capacitors and the NOTHING IS SOMETHING by Floyd Sweet. They ar all uses Transmission Lines!


Floyd Sweet states: "Since any
capacitor behaves similarly to a transmission line it is no more necessary to postulate a
displacement current for the capacitor than it is necessary to do so for a transmission line."


The pulses time about 3.5-5ns. The speed travels in a 1 meter of RG58A/U coax cable  about 5ns which is near equals to the pulsing time. All of energy applied to the input terminal of the end closed coax cable dissipates on the insulator and the ohmic components of the coax thus the input impedance remains almost imaginary. It means very-very huge imaginary energy circulates in that coax cable. Seems that TK needs coaxial cable to the device to operate it.
Longer TL needs longer kick's, so maybe at Prentice's patent the sparking would be enough to create the necessary pulses.


Just analizing the Prentice's patent, Dally's generator, Hendershot and TK devices which is my favorite one well shown the principle of operation of these type of FE devices:


1.) Pulsing a transmission line which has closed at the other end (or terminated: remains imaginary but the high voltage may penetrate the center insulator). It seems that the important thing here to that the pulse width should be equal to the transmission line's speed velocity or can be comparable.
2.) Apply a second frequency around this line via a coil, or in Prentice's patent: direct to the opened TL.
3.) Use a parallel resonant LC tank around that maximize the amplitudes. I think this is resonant at the second generator's frequency or upper harmonics.
4.) Output coil / antenna around that will collect more energy which was applied by the pulses and the second generator's input.
5.) Need and earth connection.


These are enough "simple to laugh" but need to b accurately calibrate. I don't know how the imaginary energy converted to a real one and why needs an earth connection but these factors above are necessary to achieve that. I know these are above just contemplation but somebody needs to be see the similarity between the past devices and the current ones and I tried to collect the common operation parameters.


Thank you guys, sorry for that long post.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13870 on: September 12, 2012, 03:41:26 PM »
   If the Bohr model of the atom is taken into consideration each electron is bound to the neucleus by the coloumb force.  In order for the electron not to "crash and die" on the surface of the proton it must have a certain amount of inertia.  This inertia results in the angular momentum of the electron.  Typically the velocity and mass of the electron expressed in electrical units is equal to one milliampere per electron.  The electric field associated with an electromagnetic wave aka photon disrupts the electric field which is binding the electron to the atom.  The electron becomes unbound and becomes a free electron and will experience acceleration towards the anode.  Any accleration or deaccleration of mass has to be accompanied by radiation of the old inertial parameters.  These photons can then result in an electron cascade event where just one atomic ionization event results in billions of freed and accelerated electrons migrating at highvelocity towards the anode.  This is not a space charge drifting around a heated cathode manipulated by a grid screen in order for a small amount of voltage to control a large amount of voltage.  This is what you find in lightning leaders as they progressively build a plasma conductor between charged capacitor "plates".  Once this plasma conductor completes the circuit between ground and cloud BOOM a shorted capacitor event takes place.  This identical to arc over in a spark gap and should be avoided unless your intent is to destroy your electrodes.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13871 on: September 12, 2012, 04:25:40 PM »
1.) Pulsing a transmission line which has closed at the other end (or terminated: remains imaginary but the high voltage may penetrate the center insulator). It seems that the important thing here to that the pulse width should be equal to the transmission line's speed velocity or can be comparable.
2.) Apply a second frequency around this line via a coil, or in Prentice's patent: direct to the opened TL.
3.) Use a parallel resonant LC tank around that maximize the amplitudes. I think this is resonant at the second generator's frequency or upper harmonics.
4.) Output coil / antenna around that will collect more energy which was applied by the pulses and the second generator's input.
5.) Need and earth connection.
6.) It has to be very simple so one (Kapanadze) could stumble over it by chance without much knowledge of electronics.

Could it be that the second frequency is 50Hz frequency? TK uses only spark (high) frequency and 50Hz (in 2004 video). I don't think there is any further mixing of frequencies involved here.

Where is the coax cable (transmission line) in 2004 video? The cable on the coil does not look like coax (including the high voltage cable). Then is it in the tin can? Not much room left there for big coax coils. Perhaps a small coax coil?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13872 on: September 12, 2012, 04:29:40 PM »
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Devices based on the McFreey's operating principle must have a confining mechanism (magnetic field) and "electron lasing medium" and I don't think air would make a good one.
Seems like a block of ferrite or brass or other solid (even thick wire) is needed as a dense "electron lasing medium".
The only place where McFreey's phenomenon can be invoked in Dally's device, is the toroidal transformer. Modulated magnetic field in the toroid is created by the pulsing circuit. The RF comes from the nanosecond pulse generator, coupled by the winding on the big coil. The same winding can also deliver excess power to the load. This, however, does not look very probable.

I hope not, but the device may also appear to be just a receiver of energy from a local RF transmitter. The long ground wire may serve as an antenna.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13873 on: September 12, 2012, 05:00:31 PM »
6.) It has to be very simple so one (Kapanadze) could stumble over it by chance without much knowledge of electronics.

Could it be that the second frequency is 50Hz frequency? TK uses only spark (high) frequency and 50Hz (in 2004 video). I don't think there is any further mixing of frequencies involved here.

Where is the coax cable (transmission line) in 2004 video? The cable on the coil does not look like coax (including the high voltage cable). Then is it in the tin can? Not much room left there for big coax coils. Perhaps a small coax coil?


I don't know but a wounded capacitor, a bifilar coil or coil-capacitor should be act like a transmission line. Lets say, 10ns period (5+5) is 100Mhz, not too much. (200Mhz for 5ns). Would be interesting to see scope shots from Dally's device output waveform this may answer your question regarding to the second frequency.


Just thinking:
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The used diode bridge at the output could be unusable at the range of 5-10ns (100-200Mhz) to rectify anything due to the diode's self capacity. If the device has several frequencies at the output, they would be lower than 100khz for usable power at the output by the used bridge. So I think the output frequency is equals to the seconf frequency generator, there are no other way to use it. The oil-paper capacitors on the brigde's +- output also usable to the khz- max.1Mhz range due to it's physical dimensions and working principle (oil). Other: in the Prentice's patent, the output antenna tuned to the same frequency like the input LC tank resonance.
Therefore I may say that the output frequency is equals to the second frequnency and has no correlation to the multi megahertz pulses.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13874 on: September 12, 2012, 06:03:26 PM »
The electric field associated with an electromagnetic wave aka photon disrupts the electric field which is binding the electron to the atom.
But this process downgrades or destroys the photon, see Compton Scattering or Photoelectric Effect.
This only an energy conversion (from the photon to electron), soon the downgraded photons cannot eject electrons from the atoms anymore...unless the supply of fresh photons is maintained.

The electron becomes unbound and becomes a free electron and will experience acceleration towards the anode.  Any acceleration or decceleration of mass has to be accompanied by radiation of the old inertial parameters.
But the power supply connected to the anode must expend energy to do that. If not then the electric potential of the anode becomes quickly neutralized by the incoming electronic charges.

These photons can then result in an electron cascade event where just one atomic ionization event results in billions of freed and accelerated electrons migrating at highvelocity towards the anode.
Yes, but only at the expense of the electric potential between the anode and cathode, hence no excess of energy remains in the system.

This is not a space charge drifting around a heated cathode manipulated by a grid screen in order for a small amount of voltage to control a large amount of voltage.  This is what you find in lightning leaders as they progressively build a plasma conductor between charged capacitor "plates".
But building those lighting leaders costs the cloud energy.
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