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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 11921999 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13950 on: September 16, 2012, 03:40:38 PM »
A STRONG indicator that TK is not interested in a strong magnetic field in the core was pointed out by me a year ago here :
This would be especially true if all TK coils are there for decoration purposes only. And I'm not sure whether all coils in aquarium 1 are real coils at all or just tubes made of cardboard wrapped with adhesive tape.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13951 on: September 16, 2012, 04:33:51 PM »
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/post235235326/

About fndings of effect:
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Эффект был замечен случайно , когда настраивал Г.Н.С. в качестве оправки для намотки коаксиала использовал старую мини Теслу.
но на ней была намотана еще одна обмотка проводом 0,65 и я пытался на ней добиться хорошей искры, настраивал ГНС и как то подключил к ней емкость, и получил хороший удар током. Совсем не похожий на обжигающее прикосновение ВВ ВЧ. Тут дальше пошли эксперименты именно в этом направлении. Я не претендую, что моя конструкция является самой оптимальной, но самое важное я получил, и буду работать дальше оптимизируя и изучая данное явление и установку.
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The effect was found accidentally when I was tuning GNP (generator of nanosecond pulses). As base core I used old mini-Tesla. But on it I winded one more coil with wire diameter 0,65mm and I tried to get good sparks discharge on it and when was tunning GNP I randomly atached capacitor. Then got shocked by current unexpectly. This was not anything like touching high frequency secondary coil of TT. This is where there was more experiments specially in this direction.  I do not pretend about best construction of circuit but I did got most important thing in it and will be working more with device optimisation and learning about current effect and device
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http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/post235235706/
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Еще одна ВАЖНАЯ деталь- БЕЗ ХОРОШЕГО ЗАЗЕМЛЕНИЯ - НЕ РАБОТАЕТ!!!!!!!!!!!!
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One additional very important detail - without good grounding - it does not work!!!
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http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/403/91403766_Generator.JPG

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13952 on: September 16, 2012, 08:24:55 PM »
Hi all,
question: Do you know how look difference between velocities of electrons in electrostatic field and magnetic field? separated of course.

jbignes5:
I think Electrostatic is field responsible for fast moving of electrons. Magnetic field is responsible for moving large amount of electrons but with frequency of changing Magnetic field. Larger amount of current is generated in first moment after appearing od HV electric field (capacitor). In coil we have different situation, we have largest current when voltage falling. Question how to combine these two opposing phenomena together in a single device?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13952 on: September 16, 2012, 08:24:55 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13953 on: September 16, 2012, 09:30:41 PM »
Quote
question: Do you know how look difference between velocities of electrons
in electrostatic field and magnetic field? separated of course.

Although there are many theories, we can not exclude the phenomena known
 an electric field attracts or repels electrons instead having a magnetic field it is
 possible to deflect one or more electrons only if they are in motion.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13954 on: September 16, 2012, 09:33:54 PM »
Hi all,
question: Do you know how look difference between velocities of electrons in electrostatic field and magnetic field? separated of course.

jbignes5:
I think Electrostatic is field responsible for fast moving of electrons. Magnetic field is responsible for moving large amount of electrons but with frequency of changing Magnetic field. Larger amount of current is generated in first moment after appearing od HV electric field (capacitor). In coil we have different situation, we have largest current when voltage falling. Question how to combine these two opposing phenomena together in a single device?


 Well I think my way of using Tesla's patent of the motor/generator is such a way. Think about it for a second. We have thin wires around the field core. This is the high voltage component. The thicker wires are on the Rotor and wound on a iron rotor to boot. The thinner wires tend to work best with high voltages and the thicker wires work better with heavy current. Think of it like this: thin wires act like thin hoses. Thicker wires act like thicker hoses. If water is put into the hoses a smaller volume of water flows in the smaller hoses but in the thicker hoses a larger volume of water can move. The speed in the thinner wires is also faster as opposed to the thicker slower moving in the thicker wires. Also the force that comes out of the hoses is very different. The volume of the thinner wire although moving faster hit a target with less force then with the thicker wires volume. The thicker wires volume and subsequent force can be likened to current in this analogy. So the thinner wires current will not be equal to the thicker wires current. But this is as far of the analogy that I will go because it seems that the thinner field coils will still move the thicker wires agitated mass. This agitation can be seen as AC current with the energized voltage from the thinner wires electric field.


 I will be trying to make a smaller version of the motor generator to see this effect and show it as a proof of concept.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13955 on: September 16, 2012, 09:47:34 PM »
Although there are many theories, we can not exclude the phenomena known
 an electric field attracts or repels electrons instead having a magnetic field it is
 possible to deflect one or more electrons only if they are in motion.

Leo48


Hi Leo48

I know, about theories but I want to find some compromise.
Why small magnetic field?  Because we have too large loss inside coils.
I think about some combination of this two phenomena.
Normal coil (s) but unipolar and HV via cap like pump of electrons for increase amount of current.
Weak Magnetic field move slowly electrons (50Hz) but electrostatic field pumping electrons faster (like manual pump to water) in kHz or MHz (AC). High frequ. is required because larger current is present only in first moment. I will try to draw some schme soon.




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13956 on: September 16, 2012, 09:54:39 PM »

 Well I think my way of using Tesla's patent of the motor/generator is such a way. Think about it for a second. We have thin wires around the field core. This is the high voltage component. The thicker wires are on the Rotor and wound on a iron rotor to boot. The thinner wires tend to work best with high voltages and the thicker wires work better with heavy current. Think of it like this: thin wires act like thin hoses. Thicker wires act like thicker hoses. If water is put into the hoses a smaller volume of water flows in the smaller hoses but in the thicker hoses a larger volume of water can move. The speed in the thinner wires is also faster as opposed to the thicker slower moving in the thicker wires. Also the force that comes out of the hoses is very different. The volume of the thinner wire although moving faster hit a target with less force then with the thicker wires volume. The thicker wires volume and subsequent force can be likened to current in this analogy. So the thinner wires current will not be equal to the thicker wires current. But this is as far of the analogy that I will go because it seems that the thinner field coils will still move the thicker wires agitated mass. This agitation can be seen as AC current with the energized voltage from the thinner wires electric field.


 I will be trying to make a smaller version of the motor generator to see this effect and show it as a proof of concept.



HI again,
I do not deny in your point of view. I think, your understanding is very good.
I want just to explain myself how are working these phenomenas together.
 :)
I look forward to your results.

One thing, I don't know what from you will get HV around 3- 15 kV? From ordinary transformer? We should to use some industrial transformer to this...
Hmmm and frequency 50 -60 Hz it is not so easy (max 400 Hz) for motor/generator for 3600rpm.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13957 on: September 16, 2012, 10:29:32 PM »
L1 690t, 0.4mm, 3.3mH, 14.5 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 2.4Mhz   (magnet wire)
L2 380t, 0.6mm, 1.5mH,  0.5 Ohm, resonance with 600nF cap on 5.071Khz (magnet wire)
L3  41t, 75 Ohm coax (tv) foam pe isolation, velocity 78%, 1 end shorted
L4  64t, stranded HV, 72uH, 0.8 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 4.8Mhz (Belden 24Kv HV cable)

Video of the testing here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utkIltw6WrU&feature=youtu.be
Just a piece of advice.

There are two easy ways of determing the resonant frequency of an LCR circuit (including self-resonant coils):

1) Sweeping a single frequency with the goal of achieving the maximum amplitude in a parallel LCR circuit.
2) "Kicking" the LCR circuit with a pulse having a fast slew-rate and observing its ringing frequency during the kicking pulse's constant level period.

For method outlined in pt.1 a pure sinewave stimulation is appropriate because it contains only one frequency.
If a square wave is used in pt.1 then the LCR circuit is stimulated with many frequencies simultaneously and you cannot be sure which one it is responding to.
For example you might make a mistake whether you are hitting the peak of the green lobe in the yellow rectangle or the peak of the green lobe in the blue rectangle (see the squarewave spectrogram attached below).

For the method outlined in pt.2 a rectangular pulse is the most appropriate.  This pulse does not have to be short. It only has to have a large slew-rate and a quiescent period long enough to observe the exponentially decaying ringing frequency (see the oscillogram below)

In your video, you are making a mistake using a rectangular waveform for the measurement of the resonant frequency outlined in pt.1.


« Last Edit: September 16, 2012, 11:37:30 PM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13958 on: September 16, 2012, 10:30:59 PM »


HI again,
I do not deny in your point of view. I think, your understanding is very good.
I want just to explain myself how are working these phenomenas together.
 :)
I look forward to your results.

One thing, I don't know what from you will get HV around 3- 15 kV? From ordinary transformer? We should to use some industrial transformer to this...
Hmmm and frequency 50 -60 Hz it is not so easy (max 400 Hz) for motor/generator for 3600rpm.


 Well the exciter portion of the generator will develop the current necessary for the the High voltage field coils. All we need to do is put it through a Tesla coil then into the field coils and walla High voltage. The timing for the field coils will come from the exciter as well. The generator coils inside of the field coils will also turn on the same shaft and in opposite direction of the field coils. This will also help to keep the motor/generator from stalling and provide additional current to be utilized by the load and prime mover (Motor).

 Also you had a question about what the heavy current will have to do with this process. Well if the inner rotor coils are producing a heavy magnetic field then that field will cut the hv coils and produce even more HV from the field coils.


 Now how does this relate to TK's method. Well it should improve it immensely. It should amplify it 10 fold. As Tesla was reported to say this Motor/generator could be used to power a house and then some.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13959 on: September 17, 2012, 12:16:14 AM »
One thing, I don't know what from you will get HV around 3- 15 kV? From ordinary transformer? We should to use some industrial transformer to this...
Hmmm and frequency 50 -60 Hz it is not so easy (max 400 Hz) for motor/generator for 3600rpm.

Think about it: 10kV in 1ns means 10TV/s slew-rate (yes, that's Tera Volts!).
Do you know of any transistor, diode, spark-gap, thyratron, krytron, sprytron that can switch on and off in 1 nanosecond?

Do you know of any ferrite that is good above 1GHz (reciprocal of 1ns) useful for building a transformer capable of transforming a sub 1ns pulse?

Do you think that multiple serially connected transistors or tunnel diodes avalanche faster or slower than single ones?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13960 on: September 17, 2012, 12:42:00 AM »
Think about it: 10kV in 1ns means 10TV/s slew-rate (yes, that's Tera Volts!).
Do you know of any transistor, diode, spark-gap, thyratron, krytron, sprytron that can switch on and off in 1 nanosecond?

Do you know of any ferrite that is good above 1GHz (reciprocal of 1ns) useful for building a transformer capable of transforming a sub 1ns pulse?

Do you think that multiple serially connected transistors or tunnel diodes avalanche faster or slower than single ones?


Dear verpies,
about what are you writing? ??? :-\
I'm writing with jbignes5 about motor/generator from Tesla patent and you?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13961 on: September 17, 2012, 01:18:47 AM »
Dear verpies,
about what are you writing? ??? :-\
I'm writing with jbignes5 about motor/generator from Tesla patent and you?
I am writing about the reality of creating 10kV sub-nanosecond pulses with transformers, transistors, diodes, spark-gaps, thyratrons, sprytrons, krytrons, etc...

My browser is set to filter-out jbignes' posts.
Last time I checked, this thread was preoccupied with Dally's device and Itsu's replication of it.
The aforementioned device is using sub-nanosecond pulses.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13962 on: September 17, 2012, 01:23:57 AM »
I do not think we require 10kv pulses but more around 300 to 500 volts which could be controlled by IBGT's or MosFETs perhaps. This is what they are putting on to the coax per the diagrams floating about. We need to worry about the freq response of the semi conductors under consideration.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13963 on: September 17, 2012, 04:07:13 AM »
Replica of DALLY gen is prove that this is fake
http://youtu.be/vfdXtgbzbiM

Dally s device is fake because Dally never  take his device up like here
http://youtu.be/p4nyWQOwRTc

but in his video we could see a lot of stranfe wires from outside of board
« Last Edit: September 17, 2012, 08:50:28 AM by Ganzha »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #13964 on: September 17, 2012, 06:41:10 AM »
Привет Itsu

I know DALLY DEVICE is Full Functional Self Running Free Energy Device and i hope so you will convince yourself soon. Dally continue his work on Second device. Now you know why he can't give precise info about coils coz doing this he must to unwind workable coils.

As ALL OF YOU have seen KAPANADZE'S TROLLS don't sleep at all. They did their dirty jobs. Ask them why they don't try to do own research like you did ??
Why all wait for full and complete schematic when nobody of them want to make own working free energy device with own hands ??

I CAN GIVE YOU A FULL FUNCTIONAL SCHEMATIC OF SOME COMPLICATED CIRCUITS AND PROOF THAT THEY ARE FULL WORKING DEVICES. HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN MADE CHECKED AND VERIFIED DEVICE AND MADE HIM TO WORK FROM THE FIRST TIME ?? OR IN OTHER WORDS HOW MANY YOUR DEVICES WERE WORKED FROM THE FIRST, THEN YOU FINISHED SOLDERING. DO YOU KNOW THAT SOME HI-TECH MICROPROCESSORS HAVE WORKING MISTAKES AND BIG CORPORATIONS HIDE THEIR DEFECTS IN HOPE TO SELL AS MANY AS CAN !! I KNOW FOR SOME VERY SERIOUS ERRORS IN HIGH TECH DIGITAL SAMPLING OSCILLOSCOPES!! WHY NOBODY DON'T SCREAM ABOUT THIS HI-TECH DEVICES AND PUBLICALLY CALL THEM FAKES !! DON'T ANSWER ME, ANSWER YOURSELF !!

..............

Itsu now about DALLY device.

Dally's oscillograph still didn't came so we must wait for oscillograms and measurement of his working device.

I did some little research and find english parts for electronic.
Instead КР1554ЛА3 use quad 2-input NAND gate 74ABT00. КТ926 can be changed with 2SC3264e. Instead КД203А use 1N5408. You can connect in series several diodes for example 4 -10 and more to get Very High Voltage Nano Pulse. For more forward current make a parallel conection on several series diode. You need a very speed oscillograph to catch nano pulses and to calculate rise and fall time of Nano Pulse.

Ferrite Ring М6000НМ К7mm х 4mm х 2mm is good and i think you can find it. Good and Quallity ferrites rings can be found in older multisynch monitors. A teflon PTFE wire also can be found in them.

Some orentational data for coils:

L1 - wind with 0.2 mm - 0.4 mm about 820 turns !!
L2 - wind with 0.6 mm - 1.2 mm about 310 turns !!
L3 - wind with coaxial RG 58 A/U, Z=50 about 40 turns !!
L4 - wind with 2.5 mm - 4mm HV insulated wire or make a good HV insulation between layers.

Diameter of plastic pipe 4.6 - 5 sm.

For ATX find old computer ATX power supplies and try several. DALLY found one usefull from five he have found. So also experiment need to be done here with ATX.

Here is complete PCB of DALLY DEVICE. PCB was doing Bronepoezd from our forum http://realstrannik.ru/forum-strannikov.html
I think it's OK but need to be checked again. Thousand eyes better see than two !! :)

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