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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15376 on: December 18, 2012, 09:02:13 AM »
Słowo daję, dziecinada.

Ho ho ho jak widze forum zdominowali sami Polacy.  ;D Wesołych Świąt.

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« Reply #15377 on: December 19, 2012, 09:12:05 AM »
@all and @Sergey77

About the Green Box.......

I just wanted to add this post to put more proof on the table and I have finally figured out how they did it exactly. There was a small technicality that I did not figure out to my satisfaction and that was, if a wire came up the Bearded Guys leg, how did he walk towards the demo area and then leave the demo area. Then I figured it out.

First looking at his hand holding the black wire rolled up, I found one wire more on one side of his hand then on the other. That right there is the total give away. But how did he do it?

The hot wire comes from behind him and that I have already shown. The thing is it is not just going up his leg in the regular sense. It is just on the ground or coming out of the ground with the wire skinned at the end so he can step on it.

So Wire #5 (hhmmmm another Wire X type) one or more turns before it is spliced into the roll under his hand, wire goes through his hand, then from under his clothes, up his sleeve, down his back, down into his pants and through his shoe to then be skinned so he can then connect it by stepping on the hot wire that is on the ground. This may be the reason we see the 6.4 volts on the water pipe. It is winter now so I cannot test this but this is secondary in any case.

At the end parts of the video when the BG moves further away, the older guy takes his place with his foot covering the hot wire hidden in the ground.

The bearded guy enters with Temo right after they finished putting in the radiator. From the first second to the last second we see the BG leave the area, he is always holding the rolled up wire in his left hand. He never switched it to his right hand.

Also my animation of the finger moving as the lights go off before Temo flicks the switch, it is not the finger that is switching but a simultaneous movement the BG made when he moved his foot off the hot wire, he moved his finger at the same time as an automatic reaction. So there is no remote control required.

Now if anyone goes back to look at the Green Box video keeping in mind how they did it, you will soon realize all the mannerisms now make so much sense.

This is not easy for me because of so much time on this TK thing, but I needed to find out how he did it because all our tests showed this was not possible. We are not that stupid to not get at least some level of advancement by now. So there had to be something fishy. Really fishy but really smart as well and it had to be physically provable with some major observations. Is has now been shown and I cannot do more. As far as I am concerned the TK device is a scam. Whenever the TK group plans a demo, you can rest assured that given enough time and access, anyone will find the trick. I am sure now the Turkish guys found it as well and TK used that as a sob story.

I will put another post up on what I now think about this whole OU research effort on devices that inventors persist on keeping a secret for so many damn reasons. I'm so pissed off.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15378 on: December 19, 2012, 09:47:45 AM »
@all and @Sergey77

About the Green Box.......

I just wanted to add this post to put more proof on the table and I have finally figured out how they did it exactly. There was a small technicality that I did not figure out to my satisfaction and that was, if a wire came up the Bearded Guys leg, how did he walk towards the demo area and then leave the demo area. Then I figured it out.

First looking at his hand holding the black wire rolled up, I found one wire more on one side of his hand then on the other. That right there is the total give away. But how did he do it?

The hot wire comes from behind him and that I have already shown. The thing is it is not just going up his leg in the regular sense. It is just on the ground or coming out of the ground with the wire skinned at the end so he can step on it.

So Wire #5 (hhmmmm another Wire X type) one or more turns before it is spliced into the roll under his hand, wire goes through his hand, then from under his clothes, up his sleeve, down his back, down into his pants and through his shoe to then be skinned so he can then connect it by stepping on the hot wire that is on the ground. This may be the reason we see the 6.4 volts on the water pipe. It is winter now so I cannot test this but this is secondary in any case.

At the end parts of the video when the BG moves further away, the older guy takes his place with his foot covering the hot wire hidden in the ground.

The bearded guy enters with Temo right after they finished putting in the radiator. From the first second to the last second we see the BG leave the area, he is always holding the rolled up wire in his left hand. He never switched it to his right hand.

Also my animation of the finger moving as the lights go off before Temo flicks the switch, it is not the finger that is switching but a simultaneous movement the BG made when he moved his foot off the hot wire, he moved his finger at the same time as an automatic reaction. So there is no remote control required.

Now if anyone goes back to look at the Green Box video keeping in mind how they did it, you will soon realize all the mannerisms now make so much sense.

This is not easy for me because of so much time on this TK thing, but I needed to find out how he did it because all our tests showed this was not possible. We are not that stupid to not get at least some level of advancement by now. So there had to be something fishy. Really fishy but really smart as well and it had to be physically provable with some major observations. Is has now been shown and I cannot do more. As far as I am concerned the TK device is a scam. Whenever the TK group plans a demo, you can rest assured that given enough time and access, anyone will find the trick. I am sure now the Turkish guys found it as well and TK used that as a sob story.

I will put another post up on what I now think about this whole OU research effort on devices that inventors persist on keeping a secret for so many damn reasons. I'm so pissed off.

wattsup

Excellent detective work! Just one more puzzle to solve before you rest - how did he do the aqua2 trick?

I could smell a scam miles away with this video but just not cute enough to work out exactly how the trick was performed, even though I could see and reported several clues.

This one was clever and well executed by TK's team and shows clearly that people will go to considerable lengths to fake FE, where financial gain is the prime motive. The bottom line is to never accept a video as proof of claim. The age old magicians sleeve trick was used here and it shows that the eye candy on the table diverts attention enough, so some fail to analyse in depth what is going on in the periphery.

Have a great Xmas.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15379 on: December 19, 2012, 10:22:27 AM »
There is no point for discussing possible hoax in this thread  >:( If you don't believe TK device is real then fine, but inventing more and more conspiracy theories wouldn't help.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15380 on: December 19, 2012, 10:34:01 AM »

This is not my drawing. I would not call it a "magnetic separator", but axially magnetized gain medium.
The main point is that if it works, it works as described by McFreey.

I cant find information what kind of magnet is that ? how is it made

is there ferritecore inside? any drawing ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15381 on: December 19, 2012, 11:23:07 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=guWga5Q6Dxo

Power supply 220 through a step-down transformer. As I plan to use a current transformer toroidal transformer 220/12, with the winding 220 is closed and only use 12 volt coil.

Efficiency determined by the total power in VoltAmperah (and I think it is right, no matter who said it took into account not only the active power without reactive). Ie this is simply multiplied by an ordinary tester readings taken in volts input and output on the amps input and output.

At Stepanova video output was about 9000 VA and input about 3300 VA. Ie Efficiency in his case, it was 272%. What is written on the "machine" is a 1000% efficiency on the active power that I think is wrong because it does not include the reactive power.
Based on the testimony of a video Stepanova in English, the resonance set is not very exact, because the proportion of reactive power at the input is large enough. Power factor is approximately 1264/3322 = 0.38.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15382 on: December 19, 2012, 01:13:20 PM »
There is no point for discussing possible hoax in this thread  >:( If you don't believe TK device is real then fine, but inventing more and more conspiracy theories wouldn't help.

Until a better explanation can be given supported by evidence, I am of the opinion that this is a hoax, not a possible hoax or a conspiracy theory. There is good reason to discuss it on this thread!  >:(

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15383 on: December 19, 2012, 01:48:05 PM »
watts up, you have seen the device working how did they fake that? if we cant make the device does it mean it is a hoax.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15384 on: December 19, 2012, 02:11:45 PM »
Unfortenatuly I'm with wattsup on this one.

If this device was true Tk would allow to take measurements without revealing how the setup works. He would power his house or shop with it... I certainly would.
 So in my mind if there is FE to harvest it is not thru TK invention, there must some other way.. 8)

Best.. 

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« Reply #15385 on: December 19, 2012, 02:50:57 PM »
Excellent detective work! Just one more puzzle to solve before you rest - how did he do the aqua2 trick?
Excellent video analysis Wattsup.

By scientific standards, this is not a proof that TK's Device was powered externally by a wire up a guy's sleeve.
...but in the light of lack of any scientific evidence that TK's device was powered entirely internally, your video analysis creates a preponderance of proof on the side of an external supply of power . 
In other words, the balance of probabilities regarding the greenbox video, is on the side of a fraud/hoax, now.

This evidence would not hold up in a criminal court, because a much higher standard of proof is required there.
The same goes for science.

P.S.
What's your opinion of the Aqua2 video?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15386 on: December 19, 2012, 04:26:00 PM »
There is no point for discussing possible hoax in this thread  >:( If you don't believe TK device is real then fine, but inventing more and more conspiracy theories wouldn't help.

@forest

WTF are you talking about. Take a length of wire, roll it in your hand as many times as you want and you will see both sides of your hand have the same numbers of wires. Also, if you did some TK experiments that you have posted on this thread, then maybe you can tell me that hoax theories are not wanted, but truth is the truth so were does the hoax theory come from. I don't deal in hoax theories, only proof is what matters. We went through the whole process of R&D on this and are still light years away. Why the hell do you think that is so? Also, I get e-mailed and PM'd by silent @members all the time for TK updates so I am talking to those who want to know.

@Hoppy

TK faked all of his devices and just finding one is enough to disqualify all of them. You can't fake one and all of a sudden really discover OU. I does not work that way and any more time on this is just a waste of time so all that is left is my final post to rant about all these fuckin people that have purported OU secrets. TK knows how to make a spark in a spark gap, then he dresses it up AND MAKES MONEY SHOWING IT. End of story.

@all

I am still in shock from finding that wire and realizing how all these TK videos have been made as a simple trick. For me, TK is now officially the Bullshit King because his thread has gone the longest because it took us all this time to find out.

After careful review of my OU activities these last many months that were overdosed with TK crap, I am now formally leaving the dead end alley of figuring out how others made their devices work the way they did because after all these years I have come to realize that there are some unchangeable laws of human nature that lead to some basic and unfortunate truths about people purporting to have an OU secret that they do not want to divulge.

ONE Law of OU.

1) He who says he has OU but does not fully disclose the function is a liar and a cheat.

They will have to lie in order to not give out their secret and they will have to cheat to not give out the lie. Both go hand in hand so anything a secret holder tells you is 99.99999% likely to be a lie and they will lie (using OU lingo) and cheat to send you astray. This is the Basic Obligation or Driving Force behind any OU Secret Holder in order to remain an OU Secret Holder. You cannot keep a secret and tell the truth at the same time. Basic logic but what we lack is basic determination and resolve when confronted with an OU secret holder.

Regardless if the device is real or not, that is not the question here, because real or not does not help the world right now. It only puts conditions on something that cannot have conditions. OU is unconditional and cannot be dispensed with conditions or business deals. Lies and cheats can however and have for so long monopolized the forefront of the OU endeavor.

Why is there no room for negotiation when it comes to OU?

Well..........because a true OUer knows that there is no greater gift a man (or a group of men) can give to this world of ours, then free energy. That's why I am here and I am sure that's why most are here or in the silent rooms. If not, then you are just wasting our time running after ghosts. Find the truth as fast as possible is our only modus of survival but how can you do that if you are following lies and cheats?

So.........forget all the doomsday crap about collapsing economies (financial tactic), forget all the talk of people blowing up using the device (military tactic), forget all the warnings about MIBs and the Cabal (policing tactic), forget about all the handcuffing laws you learned in EE school (academic tactic), forget about all the illusions you think you need to be happy and socially successful (greed tactic). It takes a special person to be able to do that and an even more special person to discover and give OU free to the world. That person will be remembered forever while all these other clowns will soon be forgotten and in most cases despised for their altruistic avarice and other non-human attributes.

So all these wanna-be's that hold their secrets should all be thrown in the trash, and @members that really work on OU should just go by one rule. Never waste time on someone elses secrets. OUers should work on their own devices or on devices that are openly disclosed and in process of development by other fully open sourcing OUers. Anything else is a pure waste of time, vision, energy and money. We all have a set number of clicks before we ourselves reset back to the ether. It's up to us to spend those clicks the best way possible.

Real case in point: Today, I and many others can hit our heads against the wall for hours understanding that when @otto was with us, we should have paid more attention. He was a true OUer always willing to give of himself and of what he found on the bench. Instead, we pushed this (higher profile) TK crap and SM crap and Mr. M (won't say his name every again) crap, and time just flew by so fast while our friend @otto was nearing his final push. We should have been there more involved with more replicators working hand in hand. His devices were not exotic and all could have partaken and maybe we would have learned one pertinent fact or standardized just one pertinent effect, instead of being left with a wide selection of TK and SM empty minded guessologies.

So it looks like this 21st of December, 2012 may have some truth to it after all. The new era of lies falling and truth rising. Mayan leaders insist it's just a calendar coming to an end and starting over the next day. No doomsday there man. Anyways it just seems so apropos.

Sorry for ranting but this TK thing is really hard to take. I had so much hope in this being real. TK was actually offered a free pass for so long because his demos looked so real. So if you think TK is your friend, you better revise your definition of friend. Friends don't screw you left, right and center.

@Sergey77 PMed me about TK on a boat. It does not matter on a boat, on a plane, or in the deep of Niagara Falls. If they planned it in advance, I know from now on that any time TK ever does a demo, I can find how he did it. I can find his trick so what is the point then. Doing R&D is hard enough, doing it based on a trick is a pure waste of time and TK just sitting on the sidelines letting all these human efforts just sway back and forth wasting so much human potential just so TK and gang can make a few bucks doing his grand show to pay for some more vodka is so heartbreaking to realize, it just makes me sick.

So back to the workbench and no more secret finding for me.
New sayings.......
- The best OU secrets are the ones you just ignore.
- The worst OU secrets are the ones you waste your life on".

And to @elementSix. Please know I did not want to offend you and my take on this is not against you personally because I think you are a good guy on the right side of the intent scale, but that both the TK and even SM devices should be left in the junk bin. Both are encircled in shady deals, shady videos, always hiding secrets and I am just afraid that like many here that have spent to long on them, you will do the same when your talents could be used for more immediate and pertinent help to real OU developers. Just know that everything in the SM devices, videos, could have been done with hidden batteries and a few nick nacks, all available at Radio Shack. That engineer report or any other report if commissioned by SM stating the device worked xx minutes is the only thing that ever provided a 10% level of credibility but in the end, it is total bull because those reports can be bought for a few grand or more. Peanuts compared to the money these guys attracted. Happens all the time.

These guys, TK/SM found a money model that worked and they stuck with it and both showed that as time progressed, they improved their techniques and made more elaborate designs. There modus is show short instances of the OU illusion saying you need to develop a better prototype and let the investors' greed take over the rest. A few greed stricken investors are more reactive then a giant school of starving Piranha. They just have to get their bite out of it at all cost. A local business friend of mine just lost 60k investing in a magnet motor that I told him two years ago had no chance in hell of working the way they had it set up. But all he talked about was "Can you imagine the market". These money guys are so stupid when you manage to push their get rich quick button, they just go on overload. But like he said "Hey, it's only money". TK knows this and so did SM. So as long as there are investors out there that make decisions while in greed mode, these guys have it made. Lie, cheat and get paid for it. But meanwhile back at the workbench, true OUers are led astray. Bahhhhhh, what the hell.

I have been in business for over 40 years now and I can say that success is a blend of a challenging opportunity and readiness to meet that challenge. For too long OUers have been running towards the wrong opportunities because they are really scams, fakes, frauds, liars and cheats. We will have to wake up sooner or later and take a stand against OU secrecy. It is the cancer that is eating away at our chance for success.

Back to the bench and no more distractions. I had put aside a whole check-list of experiments to do so now I can get back to what really counts.

wattsup


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15387 on: December 19, 2012, 04:46:07 PM »

I have been in business for over 40 years now and I can say that success is a blend of a challenging opportunity and readiness to meet that challenge. For too long OUers have been running towards the wrong opportunities because they are really scams, fakes, frauds, liars and cheats. We will have to wake up sooner or later and take a stand against OU secrecy. It is the cancer that is eating away at our chance for success.

Back to the bench and no more distractions. I had put aside a whole check-list of experiments to do so now I can get back to what really counts.

wattsup

happyness may only come from our inner selves.
Nature holds no hoaxes for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrMJwIedrWU

peace wattsup brother

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15388 on: December 19, 2012, 04:46:54 PM »
@ wattsup
totally agree with you....

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15389 on: December 19, 2012, 05:03:13 PM »
@forest


@Hoppy

TK faked all of his devices and just finding one is enough to disqualify all of them. You can't fake one and all of a sudden really discover OU. I does not work that way and any more time on this is just a waste of time so all that is left is my final post to rant about all these fuckin people that have purported OU secrets. TK knows how to make a spark in a spark gap, then he dresses it up AND MAKES MONEY SHOWING IT. End of story.


wattsup

Agreed, but nonetheless it would be interesting to discover the method he used to fake the Aqua2.

 

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