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Author Topic: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM  (Read 1071565 times)

Offline markzpeiverson

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2010 on: January 23, 2010, 08:54:41 AM »

Time scale, vertical, is 10 mA per division.

Say what??? Me thinks you've been dipping into that Tillamook Dew a wee too much!  ;)
Time scale is on the HORIZONTAL axis, and it is not milliamps (mA).  Go sleep it off!  LoL
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2011 on: January 23, 2010, 09:53:55 AM »
Have to agree with GB, and coming from a scientific backround, the initial goal should be an exact replication.  Once that is achieved, then begin trying variations... 

It should be painfully obvious that the positioning of a coil by a millimeter one way or the other could decide success or failure... and when you've got 10s of millimeters as a possible position, the chances for INCORRECT positioning, and thus FAILURE, are far greater than getting it right.  This begs an exact replication first to verify operation, and then you can 'get creatve'...
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I completely agree.  But there is a little problem with an EXACT replication.  There is NO FRIGGIN INFO!!!  STEORN, come on now, throw us a bone here.  We do not know the core material for sure, the number of turns, the polarity of the magnets, the current draw, the gap between the magnets and coils, and we do not even know for sure if it works even after we get a PERFECT replication.  We also have not been told whether or not the device they use for testing, with the coils laid horizontal, even shows the same COP>1 than the other design.  We also do not know what the scope shot looks like on an orbo with vertical coils, because they have neglected to show any tests at all with that version except let us watch it spin.  Since we do not know if the horizontal core device shows OU, we are guessing on magnet strength also.  The magnets they tested the strength of, were not even part of either of their original demo's.  They were part of a demo built to show the inductance change.

Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE to make an exact replication without some info.  We can make a device that looks like an orbo, and acts like an orbo...  but even if we got it right on accident, we wouldn't even know if it was an orbo, or a crap load of assumptions thrown into a big pile that happened to work.

But, we keep trying anyway...  And that leaves most of us simply trying to replicate the orbo "effect", instead of replicating the orbo itself.  Because it's the only thing we really seem to have info on. So even though everyone is drifting different directions, I can't really blame them.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2012 on: January 23, 2010, 10:00:41 AM »
My understanding is that specifications, data and pertinent info will be issued with registrations/licenses a week from now:  February 1, 2010.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2013 on: January 23, 2010, 01:28:38 PM »
Well, don't count us all out yet.  And yes, some of us have been watching every single theory that has been popped out here.  Just because we don't all reply to it, does not mean we are ignoring it.  Trust me, I've been following all your comments, and trying to learn more about each effect, and move along as best I can.  Keep it coming, just don't get to frustrated.  The search for free energy is not an easy one without headaches.

I don't like siding with people who seem to just argue about everything, but I must say, just because they used a 10 amp hr battery, does not mean they are using that much current at all.  For all we know, they are using 5ma of current, and just simply wanted a battery that could run their orbo for days easily if it did not charge as planned.  You must realize, after the public humiliation Steorn went through last time, I'm quite sure they were planning on avoiding showing a motor that died after 1 hour of operation if it did not work as planned.  I personally think the 10 amp hr battery was just a form of insurance for them.

I have not posted much about my replications, for a couple reasons.  My digital camcorder shot craps so have not been able to shoot video, although I think I found a camera that will work okay now.  Also, my replications have quite frankly not shown anything different than the others yet, so nothing good to post about them.  My current replication is not done yet but is as exact as I am able to do so far to replicating Orbo.  Here's a couple photo's just to show I am working on the dual magnet version and the vertical toroidal coils.  It's obviously not done yet, and I do not even have the uprights attached yet or all the magnets installed.  But I just wanted to show the direction my replication is taking.  Hopefully I will at least get enough time to get it running in a day or so.

Thanks CP,

Just venting my frustration helps in the thinking process.  After I sent the message, I realized what I was asking of the cores and
the flaws in my testing procedure and went to bed to sleep on it.  I now am just going to match cores with no field (max inductance) and go for it. 

The dynamics of the switching process when the core is partially/mostly saturated with an additional pulse which would push further towards saturation is beyond my abilities to measure at this time. There must be a way to see/measure that resultant viscous pulse in the dynamic state so that we may quantitate it for verification of this process.....

You keep up your good work and thoughts process.  The deeper we get into this device, the larger the room of uncertainty until we get a handle on the basic "Kernel" of how this operates.  Until someone demonstrates OU (Steorn included) this is all just a neat theory!

Ben


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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2014 on: January 23, 2010, 02:58:18 PM »
Hi all I was hoping you could help me. I'm trying to get my circuit working with a UGN3503 sensor. It's based on PL circuit and Ossie with recc on how to power the 6V Hall sensor. The I am measuring a low of 1V across the sensor when activated. I thought it should go to 0. Across the coils I am measuring around 1 - 2 volts With drops of around 0.25  of a volt when using the sensor. Or my reed switch I was getting much higher voltages and drops at the coil. Any help appreciated.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2015 on: January 23, 2010, 04:11:58 PM »
Hi all I was hoping you could help me. I'm trying to get my circuit working with a UGN3503 sensor. It's based on PL circuit and Ossie with recc on how to power the 6V Hall sensor. The I am measuring a low of 1V across the sensor when activated. I thought it should go to 0. Across the coils I am measuring around 1 - 2 volts With drops of around 0.25  of a volt when using the sensor. Or my reed switch I was getting much higher voltages and drops at the coil. Any help appreciated.

Hi Jimboot,

That's an extremely sensitive hall effect sensor. I'm using a hall effect switch. Anyhow, here's the datasheet,

http://www.ozitronics.com/data/ugn3503.pdf

And here's a circuit that someone made for that the UGN3503,

http://img03.blogcu.com/images/s/p/w/spwm/ugn3503__1255031285.jpg


The UGN3503 seems very nice in that's extremely sensitive, meaning you can place it farther away from the magnets, but definitely requires a different circuit.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2016 on: January 23, 2010, 04:12:53 PM »
Hi JB,

Please finish your schematic with pin #'s on UGN, show source and drain on FET,  and this afternoon, I'll try and correct it for you if no one else will help....DC resistance of coil?????  Without a square up amp like Paul showed above, it won't switch fast enough.  While an excellent linear sensor, you need a switching action Hall effect that is either high or low for a start.  A mono-polar device that turns on with a N field and turns off with no field if used in a monopole motor.  But anything can be made to work....Do you have a scope????

Ben

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2017 on: January 23, 2010, 06:31:04 PM »
Hi all I was hoping you could help me. I'm trying to get my circuit working with a UGN3503 sensor. It's based on PL circuit and Ossie with recc on how to power the 6V Hall sensor. The I am measuring a low of 1V across the sensor when activated. I thought it should go to 0. Across the coils I am measuring around 1 - 2 volts With drops of around 0.25  of a volt when using the sensor. Or my reed switch I was getting much higher voltages and drops at the coil. Any help appreciated.

Hi jb

here under the hall switching i use . It is a modified config of PL schema. It works very well on both my ossie-monocoil  and my orbo testing . It works with a BUZ 11A also.  The Hall sensor is a TLE 4905 L, perhaps easyer to use . The led is not necessary but it shows the impuls. The Diode IN 4007 is not necessary but prevent the kickback impuls and the motor spins smoother why ??? Any idea ??

On the picture you see the scope shot without the diode installed. The kickback is at about 100 volts. If i put a 1 microfarad 2000volts cap between the drain and the diode i can light a neon bulb almost continuesly.

Is there any body trying to replicate the  Ossie- Monocoil motor or the one -wirecoil  -motor. ??

Good luck

Laurent

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2018 on: January 23, 2010, 07:06:46 PM »
At TDC, send a pulse with a fast rise time in current (this is according to Steorn).  When the current is steady and no longer increasing, start to decay the pulse with a decreasing current until the magnets are no longer attracted to the core.  When the magnets are at the edge of no longer being attractive to the core, the current from the pulse should be 0.  This determines the decay time in our pulse and also determines our pulse width.  The current in the pulse should be decreasing towards 0 until it reaches the end of the pulse width. 

At the end of the pulse, there should be an energy gain in inductance that possibly could be captured as BEMF if the timing is right.  We won't be able to capture the BEMF from the pulse because it will be lost during the decay time.

What we're trying to do is to perturb the curled B inside the core with a decreasing decay time in the pulse, while the departing magnets are perturbing the uncurled A potential outside the core to pull energy into the core while our input pulse is decaying in time.

This keeps the core at 0% attractive force while using less input energy because the perturbed uncurled A potential is providing additional energy.  This would lead to a mechanical gain that is much more than the electrical losses.

Just another wild idea.  Thanks to all for not bashing me because I get a little frustrated from time to time.


GB

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2019 on: January 23, 2010, 09:12:12 PM »
@woopy,

Is it possible to dump the current and voltage data seen on the screen of your DSO (corresponding, say, to one full turn of the rotor) into an Excel spreadsheet and upload it here? Can you also tell us what the Ohmic resistance is of the coils where you've measured the said current and voltage?

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2020 on: January 23, 2010, 11:42:25 PM »
@woopy,

Is it possible to dump the current and voltage data seen on the screen of your DSO (corresponding, say, to one full turn of the rotor) into an Excel spreadsheet and upload it here? Can you also tell us what the Ohmic resistance is of the coils where you've measured the said current and voltage?

hi Omnibus

Thanks for your interest

I am now on the very basic testing of these "ORBO" concept. And I am very impressed by the Ossie Callanan idea of one coil  (so easy to build) distributing all the effect through all his circonferencie. and so we can add a lot of attracting magnet on one single coil. Very intersting  !!

I have made some basic testing with the multi toroid ALA steorn (my basic ser up works quite fine ) but i think there is a lot of people here who are far more advanced than i am in this direction . I will of course follow tjhe  progress attentively.

But for my 2 cents in this technologies i will try to go deeper in  the MONOCOIL-OSSIE idea. I hope this will not disturb this thread , and i think it  is a lot to learn on this idea . Of course if it is needed  i will ask Ossie Callanan if he wants to open dedicated thread to develop his idea separately.

To answer a part of your demand  i have made 3 monocoil

1      is 2 Ohm  about 20 meters of 0.4 mm copper on a soft core (see picture)       good result at 7.2 volts it takes out 0.8 amps to spin the rotor quite fast ( sorry i did not test the rpm and torque) but encouraging first try.

2      is also 2 ohm and about 20  meters  of 0.4 mm copper the core was hard steel with hole all along   no success  the motor did not spin at all. The cogging was very strong.

3      is 6.8 ohm   and x meter of 0.3 mm copper (i dont know because i have made a machine ALA Ossie to wound it and i simply made the winding "at the nose")  the scope shot  you mentionned is with this winding.

So i am not ready to make deep invastigations in one or another config , i have first to test basic fonctional improvement on what Ossie said already   that is the EDDY currents of the monocoil princip

so i enclose here to all the contributors of this forum some idea of how we could build  these core and please feel free to give your correction and critics

 

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2021 on: January 24, 2010, 02:36:05 AM »

It would no doubt work much better if Ossie were to wind his special coil on a steel SLINKY toy for the core!
The lamination's should nearly remove all the eddy currents.
 

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2022 on: January 24, 2010, 02:57:30 AM »
Hey guys - great work with this thread.  I think many of you don't realize that there are many of us following this, even though we don't contribute to it on a day to day basis for various reasons.  Mine being that I'm unable to get the right cores and not very good with my hands.  This type of replication takes more skill than using duct tape and WD40.

One idea to throw into the air is this:
I was wondering what would happen if you were to wind a toroid in the way you've been doing to cancel out the magnetic attraction of the rotor, but at the same time wind another coil AROUND the whole toroid which could be used to generate power as the field gets magnetized during rotor attraction?  Drawing power from this may even increase the attraction (or not)... and this energy should be free since it's not affecting the toroid at all. 
You could either have a separate pulse for that or try and pulse it at the same time.  Or maybe just a diode bridge connected to a dc battery, I have not thought it through enough.  Incidentally - this may be used for a solid state orbo as well - it needs experimentation.
Until I do get my cores and some time to play around I hope this could be tested by someone on this thread.
Thanks
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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2023 on: January 24, 2010, 05:30:28 AM »
@ akashh,

Some time ago in this thread, Ossie used the same concept already.  However he did not use it for generation purposes per say, he used it for a trigger coil on his transistors.  But, Ossie has been moving a mile a minute with his work, and I'm not sure he ever checked to see how much could be generated that way if it wasn't only used for trigger purposes.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #2024 on: January 24, 2010, 07:31:53 PM »
Hi all

Nice sunday and i got the idea to replicate the Ossie fence wire coil but on an other configuration. See attached pictures they are self explanatory.

The voltage is 7.2 volts
the coil is 2.4 Ohms wrapped one layer opf 0.3 mm copper
the diameter of the core  about 3mm fence wire

the magnets are 5mm cube neomagnet 50

result is much less Eddy currents
much less cogging

the motor spin till 2120 rpm ,  my best result until now

but the current is about 0.8-0.9 A

So my question.  Would it be better to wound the core with 1 layer thinner copper, or wound a second layer backwards with the same 0.3 mm copper

Thanks

Laurent