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Offline miki02131

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #270 on: January 22, 2011, 02:30:56 PM »
@all

I've never had any of my capacitors blown up or leak and i have a hard time believing that they do. I only use new capacitors and i buy them from Mouser.com. If you're using used capacitors then you might be affected by the "Capacitor plague". This Capacitor plague started when some companies went cheap and used the wrong formula that kept the capacitors insides from leaking. The best thing to use is new capacitors, and i've never exceed 17 volts. Also stay under the voltage on the capacitor. As for stiffler try not to listen to much of what he says about the captret. Stiffler like to post bad things about it and spread lies about it due to the fact that the captret idea got more attention than his similar but very different idea.

As for the extra energy i've concluded that its coming from the ambient heat energy that surrounds us. This would prove why some of my experiments don't work that well in my cold room, but put my hand over the capacitor and the voltage starts to go up. All seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBPAKNUWiAs

Although I disagree with your understanding or interpretation of the captret, I have to agree with you on your last post about that dude. He is not qualified to judge your results. You can see that in his youtube video, he was unable to even lit an LED with the Captret. Even an elementary kid should be able to put that circuit together and get an LED lit on first go.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #270 on: January 22, 2011, 02:30:56 PM »

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #271 on: January 22, 2011, 04:29:08 PM »
     @ Ibepointless2 and All:
     Thank you for the positive out look.  Although it may seam as though I am siding with the DR.,   I am not. I'm just looking for a permanent and dependable power source.  Unfortunately I just damaged two more capacitors that are part of my last 4 cap Captret set up, that lasted only 7 hours.  This one was part of the different wiring idea that doesn't use the positive post on the cap.  Stefan came up with this idea a couple of days ago, but it may be working only as a resistor system. I just don't know yet as it stopped working after 7 hours.  And will not start now, without changing caps.
 I am working on the Captret system to run as a permanent power source, so I'm not looking to light a single led dimly for a while, at low voltage.
  I feel the reason that the Captret is a power source is because of the  cap producing the extra energy (as if it were a battery).  Even after they are shorted out manually, they just come back for more. Even after a week or more of running on the same source battery.  I do see that it is very important to use the Right Caps ( new), and keep the voltage at around 15 volts, or the caps will cold fry.
  I have been running test on this everyday now for almost two months.  And I think there is a similarity in the effect as compared to the Joule rigger, and other capacitor powered devices.
   If someone has been able to light More than One Led  off of their Captret for over a week, without discharging the battery, but instead maintaining its voltage.  Let us know... 

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #272 on: January 22, 2011, 06:03:31 PM »
@all

I've never had any of my capacitors blown up or leak and i have a hard time believing that they do. I only use new capacitors and i buy them from Mouser.com. If you're using used capacitors then you might be affected by the "Capacitor plague". This Capacitor plague started when some companies went cheap and used the wrong formula that kept the capacitors insides from leaking. The best thing to use is new capacitors, and i've never exceed 17 volts. Also stay under the voltage on the capacitor. As for stiffler try not to listen to much of what he says about the captret. Stiffler like to post bad things about it and spread lies about it due to the fact that the captret idea got more attention than his similar but very different idea.

As for the extra energy i've concluded that its coming from the ambient heat energy that surrounds us. This would prove why some of my experiments don't work that well in my cold room, but put my hand over the capacitor and the voltage starts to go up. All seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBPAKNUWiAs

Well my caps also did not leak nor blow,
but I only worked with 10 Volts DC and my caps had 2700 uF 35 Volts rating or so...
So the voltage was below that.

I just see the site from Dr.Stiffler:

http://67.76.235.52/e_seg01.asp

where he had simular experiments done in the past, but all more
with high frequency currents, not with DC...

I can verify that a bit charged capacitor will rise in voltage
with temperature.

I had a few years back done an experiment,
where I had several 100 nF ceramic caps in parallel
charged up to 2 Volts or so and when I used
a hairblower to blow hot air at them and heated them
up this way, the voltage rose to
over 10 Volts when I remember correctly.


I just wonder, if this effect could be used for an efficient
thermo to electric generator ?

Maybe one can just use Fresnell lenses or silvered satellite dishes
to heat a capacitor bank and then discharge it into a load and recharge
it again via the heat ?

This would need probably need very heat dependend dielectricums.

The question is, if it is enough to discharge the caps,
so they will fall in voltage again and if the voltage
will rise then again due to them being still hot,
or if one has to cool them down again, before a new
heating cycle can begin ?

I guess this should be a neat test to see, how much
difference energy a heated ceramic cap from 20 degrees Celsius
to 100 degrees Celsius can deliver ?

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #272 on: January 22, 2011, 06:03:31 PM »
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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #273 on: January 22, 2011, 06:31:08 PM »
     @ Ibepointless2 and All:
     Thank you for the positive out look.  Although it may seam as though I am siding with the DR.,   I am not. I'm just looking for a permanent and dependable power source.  Unfortunately I just damaged two more capacitors that are part of my last 4 cap Captret set up, that lasted only 7 hours.  This one was part of the different wiring idea that doesn't use the positive post on the cap.  Stefan came up with this idea a couple of days ago, but it may be working only as a resistor system. I just don't know yet as it stopped working after 7 hours.  And will not start now, without changing caps.
 I am working on the Captret system to run as a permanent power source, so I'm not looking to light a single led dimly for a while, at low voltage.
  I feel the reason that the Captret is a power source is because of the  cap producing the extra energy (as if it were a battery).  Even after they are shorted out manually, they just come back for more. Even after a week or more of running on the same source battery.  I do see that it is very important to use the Right Caps ( new), and keep the voltage at around 15 volts, or the caps will cold fry.
  I have been running test on this everyday now for almost two months.  And I think there is a similarity in the effect as compared to the Joule rigger, and other capacitor powered devices.
   If someone has been able to light More than One Led  off of their Captret for over a week, without discharging the battery, but instead maintaining its voltage.  Let us know...


I think Lasersaber got the idea or some idea of the joule ringer from the captret as you can see in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bExjc8PcAQA

I've gotten one captret circuit to light for a week without losing power but instead gaining power. seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnP-jyySeDI

I use all leads even the +
You can put you meter to it and see that a voltage is coming off of it, but i remember for the self charging led light one i use two caps, one had the + and the other only had the - connected. But to see self charging you you might need the caps in a well heated room, i was seeing the self charging during the summer and now thats its winter i really don't see it.

Remember that heat is radiant energy and being able to use that ambient radiant energy is very useful.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #274 on: January 22, 2011, 09:29:15 PM »
   Guys:
   My test have all been done in a room of about 86 degree temp.  Temperatures here on the coast of Costa Rica don't change by more than 5 degrees, (thank God). Sorry, for the guys with frozen toilets, or frozen Captrets.
   Ibe:  your first Captret video shows that the led was just barely lit, after a week.   This is normally due to the voltage (the REAL voltage)  going down over time.   Why then, does the Captret get brighter by just adding a couple more volts to it, when it's dim? If there is already enough voltage in the batteries for the led to be bright enough as it is?  The batteries may not have much Real solid charge left after some time, only part of what is being shown by the meter, but not enough to make the led light bright, or at least like when it started.  This can also be due to something else, but your "crowded room" idea does not make sense to me, as the led acts as an "open door" keeping the flow going, not stagnant.
   As mentioned before the cap is converting Aether, kinda like what a solar panel does with light, and Aether can't be seen nor measured.
 
  Try two or more leds, on a Captret, I'll bet that they will not light, (really light up), not barely lit, for even one day. The battery and meter may not SHOW a change, but there is...
   I feel the same thing happens with the Joule Ringer, as it consumes more that it can produce for itself, and goes out.  Lidmotor says that you have to pay for it, (a bright light).  What happened to the original  CFL lights running time of 40 minutes?  Now it's down to less than 5 minutes.  Is this the "real beef"?  Or did nobody pay for it...
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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #275 on: January 22, 2011, 10:10:14 PM »
I can verify that a bit charged capacitor will rise in voltage with temperature.

I had a few years back done an experiment, where I had several 100 nF ceramic caps in parallel charged up to 2 Volts or so and when I used a hairblower to blow hot air at them and heated them up this way, the voltage rose to over 10 Volts when I remember correctly.

I just wonder, if this effect could be used for an efficient  thermo to electric generator ?

[..SNIP..]

The question is, if it is enough to discharge the caps, so they will fall in voltage again and if the voltage will rise then again due to them being still hot, or if one has to cool them down again, before a new heating cycle can begin ?

hi Stefan

someone once said "there's nothing new under the sun"

and we seem to prove that statement quite often on this forum - there's so much information - it's easy to miss something relevant and a lot of duplication of effort occurs!


i also did an extensive study of capacitor self-charging a couple of years back and reported my results (from a full months datalogged data) which clearly showed capacitors could self-charge even whilst shunted with a light load resistance:

  http://http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9393.0

the anomalous voltage increase was not due to previous charge because in one case the capacitor had been constantly shunted with a load resistor for 6 months before recording a linear increase in self-charge voltage - temperature being one of the main correlations with the capacitor voltage

all the data was obtained at room temperature


my latest experiment builds on this effect using DIY Zn-Cu cells in conjunction with a ballast capacitor

the results for the first 1000 hours (from early december '10) show that it's possible to sustain/charge the cell using ambient room heat at the *same time* as the cell is permanently connected to an LED flasher circuit as a load - ie. this arrangement is OU, like a solar cell, drawing its sustaining input power from ambient heat

  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10174.0

so i'd say it's not necessary to cool before recharging - i believe the heat input can be converted to electricity and stored at the same time as the load is taking what it needs

cheers
sandy
 

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #276 on: January 23, 2011, 07:54:23 PM »


I can verify that a bit charged capacitor will rise in voltage
with temperature.

I had a few years back done an experiment,
where I had several 100 nF ceramic caps in parallel
charged up to 2 Volts or so and when I used
a hairblower to blow hot air at them and heated them
up this way, the voltage rose to
over 10 Volts when I remember correctly.


I just wonder, if this effect could be used for an efficient
thermo to electric generator ?

Maybe one can just use Fresnell lenses or silvered satellite dishes
to heat a capacitor bank and then discharge it into a load and recharge
it again via the heat ?

This would need probably need very heat dependend dielectricums.

The question is, if it is enough to discharge the caps,
so they will fall in voltage again and if the voltage
will rise then again due to them being still hot,
or if one has to cool them down again, before a new
heating cycle can begin ?

I guess this should be a neat test to see, how much
difference energy a heated ceramic cap from 20 degrees Celsius
to 100 degrees Celsius can deliver ?

Hi All,
I just redid this experiment again, cause i just found this 10x 100 nF cap bank.

Well, putting it onto a digital voltmeter and charging it up to around 5 Volts did
discharge it too fast.

Then I pulled out my trusty old Hameg HM312 scope with its 100x scope head
which has a 100 MegaOhm input impedance.
Scope ground was tesafilm taped, so the earth ground
had no connection to the scope ground and capbank could
not charge up this way...

Then I gave this capbank a charge from an old 9 Volt battery, which
has still around 5 Volts.

The voltage at the capbank of 1 uF stays at 100 Megaohm fairly long charged
up this way.
Then I used again a hairblower to heat up the caps.
The voltage rises to about 10 Volts this way after a few seconds and
the caps are pretty hot then.

So this principle works quite nicely and I will try to buy now
many more 100 nF caps and research, which caps
have the best heat dependence.

I also tried it with my 2700 uF 35 Volts
electrolytic cap, but it did not rise up the voltage,
maybe in the millivolts range, but definately not in the Volts range...

So I guess ceramic caps are the best for this and with this
effect it could be build probably a great thermo to electric energy
converter..
As these 100 nF blocking caps are also dirt cheap, you can buy
very many at very cheap prices...

So this upcoming summer I will have a good use for
my fresnell lenses I recently bought...

I think it is best to use already about 5 to 10 Volts as the starting
voltage and then heat it up,
as I saw, that starting with just 2 Volts it did take much longer to
get the voltage to 4 Volts , so doubleing the voltage is easier,
if the cold start voltage is already higher.

Then it is best to use a few white LEDs in series
as the load, so they have a higher threshold voltage.

So if one starts with 10 Volts and heats this capbank up,
at least 4 x 2.5 Volts threshold white LEDs should be put in series,
so that the capbank voltage will never go lower as 10 Volts
and all over 10 Volts will light up the LEDs permanently,
but under 10 Volts they will just switch off...

So a few LEDs in series are the perfect load for such
a thermo to electric generator.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #277 on: January 23, 2011, 08:20:47 PM »
Here is a quick picture from the experiment,
so you see, what I mean.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #278 on: January 23, 2011, 08:43:38 PM »
Okay, in this experiment I won 37.5 mikroJoules when going from 5 to 10 Volts on
a 1 uF capbank.

When using 100 uF as the capbank ( many more 100 nF caps in parallel)
and starting at 10 Volts and heating it up to 20 Volts you
already win 15 milliJoules !

Now when using just 1 Farad as the capbank and
then going from 10 Volts to 20 Volts you already win
150 Joules ! That are 150 Wattseconds, that means
more than 2 Minutes you can draw already 1 Watt !

So then it really gets interesting !

Now what is the easiest method to get a large capbank and
what is the best and cheapest cap material for this ?

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #279 on: January 23, 2011, 09:56:34 PM »
Okay, in this experiment I won 37.5 mikroJoules when going from 5 to 10 Volts on
a 1 uF capbank.

When using 100 uF as the capbank ( many more 100 nF caps in parallel)
and starting at 10 Volts and heating it up to 20 Volts you
already win 15 milliJoules !

Now when using just 1 Farad as the capbank and
then going from 10 Volts to 20 Volts you already win
150 Joules ! That are 150 Wattseconds, that means
more than 2 Minutes you can draw already 1 Watt !

So then it really gets interesting !

Now what is the easiest method to get a large capbank and
what is the best and cheapest cap material for this ?

Wow i like where this is going!

150 Joules is a good bit of power, but you'll need a good bit of those capacitors too. This could get very expensive if we don't use the right capacitors. Maybe we could make our own, have them custom built into a parabolic shape to help in gather the most energy from the sun? I even had the idea to make a chairs seat out of capacitors so that when you sit your body heat made power to run a LED.

The big question is if this is better than a solar panel? These caps only need heat so no need for the sun, but the sun does give off a lot of heat. I wonder if you could paint the capacitors black to help them absorb more heat energy? You could make a custom one to put on a car and have it generate power, or even put it on your house? Hook it up to a 12 volt battery and have it charge that battery and use your LED diode idea to keep the battery charging.

Now the big question is if we can build our own custom Ceramic capacitors?

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« Reply #280 on: January 23, 2011, 10:07:33 PM »
I just did a bit of research which caps have the highest negative temperature koeffizient,
so we need probably ceramic caps with the Y5V curve.
These are the best, see enclosed graphics.

These are class 2 ceramic caps, which have a high nonlinear dependance
from temperature...

There are also class 3 ceramic caps, which are even worse
in temperature stability, so better for us, but these are not anymore
produced anymore...unfortunately..

At my local electronic shop they only have the Y5V types in 470 nF maximum,
so this will get a bit expensive , if one wants to build a 1 Farad cap bank....

So yes, the question is, if for instance tantal caps or other caps are
also so extremely nonlinear in temperature , so their capacitance will also
fall so extremely with temperature ?

( This is what we need, falling capacitance with temperature will
rise the voltage on the cap)

Okay, if anybody still finds better caps please post it...

Here is the chart.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #281 on: January 23, 2011, 10:09:20 PM »
I think my blue 100 nF blocking caps are only the Z5U types,
so the Y5V should be even better !

This is getting interesting now !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #282 on: January 23, 2011, 10:16:52 PM »
I think my blue 100 nF blocking caps are only the Z5U types,
so the Y5V should be even better !

This is getting interesting now !

Regards, Stefan.



Have a look at these capacitors here, would these work?

http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Ceramic-Capacitors/Ceramic-Disc-Capacitors/_/N-5g90?Keyword=Y5V&FS=True&Ns=Pricing|0

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« Reply #283 on: January 23, 2011, 10:24:24 PM »
The only one I found at mouser with Y5V is this one:

http://de.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Xicon/140-50V5-224Z-RC/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt1mVBmZSXTPPQUnq7ol7tGVR0z9O9Sgmg%3d

but it is only 220 nF and too expensive...

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« Reply #284 on: January 23, 2011, 10:37:00 PM »
The only one I found at mouser with Y5V is this one:

http://de.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Xicon/140-50V5-224Z-RC/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt1mVBmZSXTPPQUnq7ol7tGVR0z9O9Sgmg%3d

but it is only 220 nF and too expensive...


What about these...

http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Ceramic-Capacitors/Ceramic-Disc-Capacitors/_/N-5g90?P=1z0ynaf&Ns=Pricing|0

I'm using the USA store and i don't know if its different than yours but i see a Y5V 0.01uF 50Volt for only $0.19 for only one. Does voltage have anything to do with it?

 

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