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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #465 on: June 26, 2014, 02:04:01 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 34.
< Differentiating the Balanced and Unbalanced Section >
 
- a breakdown on a simple unbalanced wheel, to identify the relationship on the weights between the left and right side of wheel
 
- this is just extra knowledge, not directly related to the Bessler Clue
 
- sort-of related topic associated with the "unbalanced see-saw" from the image "wheel_theory_44b.jpg"
 
1. using (all) the lighter weights to lift up a heavy weight
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg402158/#msg402158
 
2. using (all) the lighter weights to lift up the heavy weights plus a load
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg406189/#msg406189

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #466 on: June 27, 2014, 02:06:52 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 35.
< Act of Gravity, Motion of Object >
 
- indicate how gravity affect the motion of the rolling weight
 
- refer to image for simple visual presentation
 
- related topic associated with the motion of the rolling weight
 
1. A "Club & Column" Interpretation of Bessler Wheel
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg405538/#msg405538
 
2. Interpretation of "Peg and Weight"
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg406063/#msg406063

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #467 on: June 28, 2014, 02:03:26 AM »
a-XXX XXX X. trying my hands on wm2d, utilizing the human and gravity v3, change the car to bus, can support/house multiple people
 
the previous version here
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg407343/#msg407343

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #468 on: June 29, 2014, 02:09:59 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 36.
< The "Leg" of the Child >
 
"each child can swing (or you might call it "step" as it uses a club as a "leg") from the top of one broken column to the top of the next broken column by positioning his heavy club on the ground between the two close columns and holding on to the handle end to swing over to the top of the next column. Then he rotates the handle end of his club to maneuver it between his current column and his next intended column so that he can again "step" or swing a small angle over to the top of the next intended broken column.
 
If the clubs are even heavier by being double-ended, then instead of rolling them to the next position, they may be alternatively transported between the columns by switching ends."
 
- definition of 'step'
-- a movement made by lifting the foot (leg) and setting it down again in a new position, accompanied by a shifting of the weight of the body (child) in the direction of the new position, as in walking, running, or dancing (rolling for the club, swinging for the child)
 
- so basically, when the club move, the child move along with it, a.k.a the rolling weight is affecting the motion of the swinging weight
 
- and the rolling weight is affected by gravity, see the topic "Act of Gravity, Motion of Object"
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg407940/#msg407940
 
- also since the child is using the club as 'leg', then it can be said the child is on top of the club
 
- a relevant and similar topic "Basic Interaction between the Heavy weight and Light weight"
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg404107/#msg404107

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #469 on: June 30, 2014, 02:06:38 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 37.
< Count Karl's Explanation......... it's the other way round >
 
- this topic is mainly based on fictitious clue, so just entertain along
 
"Count Karl explained that small pegs, which swung back out of the way as the weight passed the zenith, blocked these weights." - fictitious clue
 
"Only a few persons had the privilege of seeing what was inside the wheel and they were sworn to secrecy. Even they did not see what might have been hidden inside the long six-inch diamter axle, supported at each end by iron pins only about an inch in diameter. Remember that Bessler had a reputation as a very skilled clockmaker, and such a heavy wheel can sustain flywheel motion for a very long time. Clocks could be made to run a year without winding.
 
These few who saw the inside of the wheel after removing the front panel said that it had many compartments around the perimeter of the wheel, each with a shifting weight inside."
extract from https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/people/people.htm#bessler
 
"each child can swing (or you might call it "step" as it uses a club as a "leg") from the top of one broken column to the top of the next broken column by positioning his heavy club on the ground between the two close columns and holding on to the handle end to swing over to the top of the next column." - bessler clue
 
- Count Karl thought that the peg (child/swinging weight) was blocking the movement of the weight (club/rolling weight), ... on the contrary, the peg was using the weight (the child using the club as its "leg") to move, or swing, to its desired location (the child swing from top column to next top column). Karl got the role of the peg and weight mixed-up.
 
- information that can be extracted from above

1. Count Karl didn't know how Bessler Wheel works, he was just describing what he saw based on how much he remembered (one can remember now, but forgot the next minute)

2. the "zenith" indicates the interaction of the peg and weight occur at the top of wheel, or at the perimeter of the wheel

3. the interaction of the peg and weight might possibly be described by others as the action of "shifting weight"
 
- related topic "Interpretation of "Peg and Weight"
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg406063/#msg406063

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #470 on: July 01, 2014, 02:01:45 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 38.
< Shape of Rolling Weight, cylindrical vs Sphere >
 
- comparing the shape of the rolling weight between cylindrical vs sphere
 
- pros of Cylinder
1. mass increased, the length increased, but diameter can still remain the same
 
- cons of Cylinder
1. a wider surface contact affecting the rolling motion
2. unstable rolling, may slide sideway
 
- pros of Sphere
1. smooth rolling capability due to little surface contact
 
- cons of Sphere
1. mass increased, the diameter of sphere also increased

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #471 on: July 02, 2014, 02:04:59 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 39.
< A Look at the Pulley >
 
"Furthermore, the machine may be of little value to the public unless it can be improved. At the moment it can lift a weight of sixty pounds, but to achieve this the pulley had to be reduced more than four times, making the lifting quite slow." - eyewitness clue
 
situation 1
 
- 'lifting quite slow' might indicate that the wheel need to pull more rope length, which in turn, slow down the lifting of the load,
 
- which also indicate there might have more pulleys involved
 
- 'pulley reduced more than four times' .... was it a reverse meaning, instead of reduced, it is the addition of more pulleys ? .... or it was not refering to the pulley at all ?
 
situation 2
 
- for light load, the wheel can easily lift the load up, while the rpm of wheel only reduce a little, so lifting is still fast
 
- but for heavy load, it will cause rpm of wheel to reduce more (with minimum use of pulleys), thus lifting will become slow
 
- so this can also explain the 'lifting quite slow', but if this is the case, then the 26rpm would have reduced to, not 20, but lesser... maybe 5-10rpm (guessing... 20rpm could/might still be considered quite fast when lifting the load up ?)
 
- but why 'pulley reduced more than four times' ? Is there alot of pulleys used in the first place ?

Take note:
"the machine may be of little value to the public unless it can be improved"
..... .... ....
the wheel is weak (but don't see it as a bad thing, .... on the contrary, it simply means there are alot of rooms to explore, ... and more topics to write ^o^ hooray!)
 

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #472 on: July 03, 2014, 02:05:21 AM »
a-XXX XXX XI. trying my hands on wm2d, design variations of Swing/Roll interaction v1

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #473 on: July 04, 2014, 02:05:08 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 40.
< The Cursed of the Number 8 >
 
"Design of my machine is analogues to world system. I have put eight heavy weights in my machine, which represents eight planets of our world. The large axle of my machine represents the sun. Heavy weights in my machine encircle around the axle to form an elliptical path, in the similar manner, as planets encircle around the sun. Whilst moving around axle, they recede and come closer to the center. They balance against each other and impart motion to the wheel. ?"
 
- the emphasize on the eight heavy weights ..... ..... .....
 
- ABSOLUTELY ... NO ... IDEA
 
- ...denial...denial...denial...didn't see...didn't hear...denial...what eight weights...didn't see before...eight weights...never heard of it...denial...complete denial...what eight...don't know... .... LOL :-) ^o^
 
- OK now back to the topic... no idea about the eight heavy weights, it basically defied most (or all) of the analysing of the other clues
 
- although more interested in the "elliptical path", which will post a topic on it
 
- IMO the binding of eight weights, eight planets is more of a way (a description) that Bessler used, to impress the eyewitness, kind of like a saleman trying to promote his product (focus on the good, amplify the good, divert the bad, hide the bad)
 
- the bidirectional wheel is also another way to impress the eyewitness, no much of any practical uses, and all these impressive display/description that Bessler had employed, seemed to have the purpose of either

1. diverting the attention of the eyewitness away from the weakness of the wheel... output of the wheel is weak... (one eyewitness had stated that), or

2. average out the weakness of the wheel, by compensating with impressive other display/description stuffs, or

3. simply the ego to impress, or

4. it does, and 'only', have 8 heavy weights ( mmm .... .... .... denial.... denial...denial...didn't see... ...denial...what eight weights...didn't see before...eight weights...never heard of it...denial...complete denial...what eight...don't know... ... ... LOL)
 
 
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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #474 on: July 05, 2014, 02:04:05 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 41.
< Karl's Peg blocking vs Bessler's Child stepping >
 
- this topic is a continuum from related topic

1. "Count Karl's Explanation......... it's the other way round"
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg408218/#msg408218
 
2. "The "Leg" of the Child"
http://www.overunity.com/12742/cg-showcase-of-overbalanced-wheel/msg408127/#msg408127
 
"Count Karl explained that small pegs, which swung back out of the way as the weight passed the zenith, blocked these weights." - fictitious clue
 
"each child can swing (or you might call it "step" as it uses a club as a "leg") from the top of one broken column to the top of the next broken column by positioning his heavy club on the ground between the two close columns and holding on to the handle end to swing over to the top of the next column." - Bessler clue
 
- refer to image for speculation on the perspective view of Karl and Bessler

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #475 on: July 06, 2014, 02:02:17 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 42.
< Trail of the Elliptical Path >
 
"Design of my machine is analogues to world system. I have put eight heavy weights in my machine, which represents eight planets of our world. The large axle of my machine represents the sun. Heavy weights in my machine encircle around the axle to form an elliptical path, in the similar manner, as planets encircle around the sun. Whilst moving around axle, they recede and come closer to the center. They balance against each other and impart motion to the wheel. ?"
 
"one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move"
 
- due to a portion of the swinging weights station at right angles to the axis (also have to consider the rolling weights), the wheel would (most probably) have an illusion look of an oval-shape, or an ellipse
 
- refer to image to see the tracing line along the swinging weights
 
Take note:
the tracing of the path, if based on the combination of the swinging and rolling weights, might have a better ellipse/oval shape look

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #476 on: July 07, 2014, 02:05:17 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 43.
< The Bearing >
 
"The diameter of the wheel is about twelve feet, and as well, the bearing was quite thin, about one quarter of an inch and only a sixth of its length was subject to friction." - eyewitness clue
 
"I examined the bearings of this wheel to see if there was any hidden artifice; but was unable to see anything more than the two small bearings on which the wheel is suspended at its centre" - eyewitness clue
 
"Through the centre of this wheel or drum runs an axle of about six inches diameter, terminated at both ends by iron bearings of about three-quarters of an inch diameter upon which the whole thing turns." - eyewitness clue
 
"Any attempt at fraud from outside was impossible because the wheel bearings were uncovered on both sides and one could see the axle journals turning in their bearings." - eyewitness clue
 
- the bearing of the wheel is pretty much exposed in plain sight to the eyewitness, so unlikely there are any fancy/unqiue mechanical design on the bearing, it is just a normal, yet durable and strong (can support up to 700 pounds of weight), bearing
 
- with 1/6 of its length subjected to friction, it has length
 
- and also having diameter, ... the shape of the bearing should be cylindrical and it's a plain thin strong cylinder iron bearing
 

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #477 on: July 08, 2014, 02:02:17 AM »
Analysing of Bessler's Clues 44.
< The Right Angle and the Small Angle Swing >
 
"one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move"
 
"each child can swing (or you might call it "step" as it uses a club as a "leg") from the top of one broken column to the top of the next broken column by positioning his heavy club on the ground between the two close columns and holding on to the handle end to swing over to the top of the next column. Then he rotates the handle end of his club to maneuver it between his current column and his next intended column so that he can again "step" or swing a small angle over to the top of the next intended broken column."
 
- the swinging weight, when swings from one destination to another, takes about 90 degrees (this is about as small a swing as it can be)
 
- refer to the image on the small angle swing

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #478 on: July 09, 2014, 02:03:21 AM »
a-XXX XXX XII. trying my hands on wm2d, design variations of Swing/Roll interaction v2

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Re: CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel
« Reply #479 on: July 10, 2014, 02:11:04 AM »
a-XXX XXX XIII. trying my hands on wm2d, design variations of Swing/Roll interaction v3